Are Mormons Christian?

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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    This thread a comparison of 2 types of religions.

    A comparison of believers. I have enjoyed what I have learned.

    I also feel even those who do not believe have faith in something and can learn
    to understand knowing God through whatever faith they have tangible or otherwise.

    I believe those who do not believe, believe there is no proof, therefore there is no God...
    this their firmly held belief.
    So to some degree that is their faith, though they have no proof God does not exist.
    Perhaps their life experiences have brought facts to them that support this belief.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Back to the lecture at hand.
    The question on the floor is... Are Mormons Christians?
    The answer is... Does it matter?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    Cosmo wrote:
    Back to the lecture at hand.
    The question on the floor is... Are Mormons Christians?
    The answer is... Does it matter?
    I just know that there is something weird about Mormons. The part I'm troubled by is their exclusionist nature.
    Christians are SUPPOSED to be accepting and generous of spirit. But Mormons exile. If they decide that the faith isn't for them everyone shuns them. Even their families. I knew some Mormons, and I was good friends with a girl whose immediate family left the church. And that was it. None of their friends or family would ever speak to them again. Not even her grandparents. The whole community that they'd known all their lives would have no contact with them. That doesn't seem very Christian to me.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Cosmo wrote:
    The answer is... Does it matter?
    Gotta say that despite at times being somewhat circular, this has been a thought-provoking thread.

    In no way do I mean to belittle the sincerity with which the original poster asked his question...but you know, I think this is it, Cosmo - when all is said and done, it really doesn't matter.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    hedonist wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    The answer is... Does it matter?
    Gotta say that despite at times being somewhat circular, this has been a thought-provoking thread.

    In no way do I mean to belittle the sincerity with which the original poster asked his question...but you know, I think this is it, Cosmo - when all is said and done, it really doesn't matter.
    ...
    Yeah. This thing cropped up because of Mitt Romney. Personally, I don't care if he is a Mormon or a Christian or a Catholic, Jew, Muslim or Scientologist.
    All I care about is if he is a shithead that will cater to his Wall Street cronie-buds and believes 'Trickle-down' means pissing off the penthouse balcony onto us middle-classers.
    ...
    And i agree... I love the philosophic debates about the the natural world, the physical Universe, abstract thought and all that crap. It can be both thought provking... but, also, mind-numbing... depending on which road we choose to take (or not take).
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Cosmo wrote:
    Back to the lecture at hand.
    The question on the floor is... Are Mormons Christians?
    The answer is... Does it matter?
    everything matters
  • Flagg
    Flagg Posts: 5,856
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  • juan lester
    juan lester Posts: 321
    this is a thing that happened

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/12/us/di ... wanted=all
    uke can save the world
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    juan lester wrote:
    this is a thing that happened

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/12/us/di ... wanted=all
    That is a good thing. :)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    edited June 2012
    Erika Munson, a great lady! :clap:

    "Mormons Building Bridges" :D
    Post edited by pandora on
  • juan lester
    juan lester Posts: 321
    for the record , there is no 'morman'

    there are mormons

    there are mermaids and mermen - "merman! cough cough. merman!"

    no mormans.
    uke can save the world
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    juan lester wrote:
    for the record , there is no 'morman'

    there are mormons

    there are mermaids and mermen - "merman! cough cough. merman!"

    no mormans.
    that's why the little red underline came up ... thank you for pointing that out ;)
    I should have heeded that
  • bindy123
    bindy123 Posts: 210
    Just thought I would bring a bit of comic relief to the thread. Hope not to offend anyone...this is a piece I think is really funny from a series called John Safrean versus God. He takes on just about every religion known to man, this is part of his take on the Mormons...I posted another piece in the AET where he doorknocked in UTAH, and tried to sell Atheism to Mormons...if you like this, check that out as well

    http://youtu.be/HB7Qm20AGFk
    "God created surfing and Pearl Jam so that the truely gifted, talented and most intelligent people wouldnt rule the world"...adapted from my bumper sticker
  • javis el errante
    javis el errante Buenos Aires Posts: 6,145
    nothing to do with mormonism, but I wanted to share something I got from a film..

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    The film I'm referring to is the following

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f8fMmMh ... re=related
    ... I am not in the business of being liked anymore ...

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    Amen! ;)
    Too bad Americans don't get it. I always think it's hilarious and terrifying when I hear them talking about religion and patriotism in the same breath, as though the two go hand in hand. Crazy that so many are so oblivious to the problems that are inherent in that line line of thinking.
    javis el errante wrote:
    nothing to do with mormonism, but I wanted to share something I got from a film..

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    The film I'm referring to is the following

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f8fMmMh ... re=related
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Aaron 23
    Aaron 23 Allen, TX Posts: 543
    javis el errante wrote:
    nothing to do with mormonism, but I wanted to share something I got from a film..

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    The film I'm referring to is the following

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f8fMmMh ... re=related
    Except either none of these quotes were actually made by these men, or they're horribly out of context. :(

    Jefferson:

    Yours is one of the few lives precious to mankind, and for the continuance of which every thinking man is solicitous. Bigots may be an exception. What an effort, my dear sir, of bigotry in politics and religion have we gone through! The barbarians really flattered themselves they should be able to bring back the times of Vandalism, when ignorance put everything into the hands of power and priestcraft. All advances in science were proscribed as innovations. They pretended to praise and encourage education, but it was to be the education of our ancestors. We were to look backwards, not forwards, for improvement … This was the real ground of all the attacks on you. Those who live by mystery & charlatanerie, fearing you would render them useless by simplifying the Christian philosophy — the most sublime and benevolent, but most perverted system that ever shone on man — endeavored to crush your well-earned & well-deserved fame.
    Letter to Dr. Joseph Priestley (21 March 1801); published in The Life of Thomas Jefferson (1871) by Henry Stephens Randall, Vol. 2, p. 644; this seems to be the source of a misleading abbreviation: "[Christianity is] the most ... perverted system that ever shone on man".


    Adams was wholly out of context and he implies somewhat opposite when in context:

    Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!!!" But in this exclamation I would have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean Hell.


    Closest for Franklin is the following:

    The bell ringing for church, we went thither immediately, and with hearts full of gratitude, returned sincere thanks to God for the mercies we had received: were I a Roman Catholic, perhaps I should on this occasion vow to build a chapel to some saint, but as I am not, if I were to vow at all, it should be to build a light-house.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Aaron 23 wrote:
    Except either none of these quotes were actually made by these men, or they're horribly out of context. :(

    Jefferson:

    Yours is one of the few lives precious to mankind, and for the continuance of which every thinking man is solicitous. Bigots may be an exception. What an effort, my dear sir, of bigotry in politics and religion have we gone through! The barbarians really flattered themselves they should be able to bring back the times of Vandalism, when ignorance put everything into the hands of power and priestcraft. All advances in science were proscribed as innovations. They pretended to praise and encourage education, but it was to be the education of our ancestors. We were to look backwards, not forwards, for improvement … This was the real ground of all the attacks on you. Those who live by mystery & charlatanerie, fearing you would render them useless by simplifying the Christian philosophy — the most sublime and benevolent, but most perverted system that ever shone on man — endeavored to crush your well-earned & well-deserved fame.
    Letter to Dr. Joseph Priestley (21 March 1801); published in The Life of Thomas Jefferson (1871) by Henry Stephens Randall, Vol. 2, p. 644; this seems to be the source of a misleading abbreviation: "[Christianity is] the most ... perverted system that ever shone on man".


    Adams was wholly out of context and he implies somewhat opposite when in context:

    Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!!!" But in this exclamation I would have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean Hell.


    Closest for Franklin is the following:

    The bell ringing for church, we went thither immediately, and with hearts full of gratitude, returned sincere thanks to God for the mercies we had received: were I a Roman Catholic, perhaps I should on this occasion vow to build a chapel to some saint, but as I am not, if I were to vow at all, it should be to build a light-house.
    Talk about Amen ;) Thank you for this!
  • RedMosquito22
    RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    They are not Christians. It's like saying you are a vegetarian because you have a salad with your steak.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    They are not Christians. It's like saying you are a vegetarian because you have a salad with your steak.
    ...
    The thing is... who gets to decide who is Chriatian and who is not?
    And in the end... does it really even matter?
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    Cosmo wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    They are not Christians. It's like saying you are a vegetarian because you have a salad with your steak.
    ...
    The thing is... who gets to decide who is Chriatian and who is not?
    And in the end... does it really even matter?
    It matters to the Christians I'd imagine...
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

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