..2. They think Jesus was a prophet and didn't always exist.
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isnt there a general consensus about this? the bible tells of his birth so at one point he didnt exist. heck at one point all of us didnt exist.
No. Christians believe that has Jesus always existed, but was born or incarnated as a man.
hmmmm. thank you. so because jesus was always considered divine as a part of God(from whence he came) and God having existed before time and the universe and all that shit jesus also has always existed. weirdly enough to me this sounds logical. tho i dont believe it for a second. still its interesting.
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1. They do not believe that God has always existed.
2. They think Jesus was a prophet and didn't always exist.
3. They do not believe in the concept of the holy trinity.
Those are some of the most basic, fundamental Christian beliefs. Therefore they are not Christians.
I am not going to judge whether they are "Christians" or not but I was going to post this. Mormons and traditional Christians differ on very fundamental theological tenets of Christianity.
Mormonism teaches that God, the Son and the Holy Spirit form a heavenly council of sorts rather than being three manifestations of the same being.
Mormons believe that God was "born" twice. Once he lived a mortal life he was resurrected to achieve godhood. God also has a wife called the Heavenly Mother and their union resulted in the birth of the Son.
Traditional Christians believe God created the earth from nothing. Mormons believe he reorganized existing matter.
Mormons believe humans are eternal along with the Godhead, meaning your unique nature has always existed and will always exist and you were never "created".
Christians believe God to be omnipotent and omniscient while Mormons believe God governed by natural law.
Mormons reject Original Sin, do not believe in salvation by grace alone, practice baptism of the dead, and believe they can achieve perfection and become exalted as God is. Exaltation of man assumes a vast quantity of worlds, ruled by former men who achieved godhood.
And of course there is the whole Book of Mormon thing that basically adds-on to or replaces the New Testament and claims Christ came to North America after the resurrection.
My neighbors are Mormon. These are some rather large differences. Larger than the differences between the denominations of traditional Christianity.
Bottom line... does it really matter?
My view is that if someone has to prove how much of a 'better Christian' they are than others... does that act itself make them less of Christian?
Who cares if someone like Mitt Romney is a Mormon or a Christian... what matters is his character. If you can look beyond his acts of taking over companies and cutting them up and selling off the pieces, leaving many American workers striped of the pensions they were depending upon to retire... that's your call. To me, it doesn't matter if he is a Mormon or Christian or Jew or Atheist... what matters to me is his character... or lack thereof.
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And of course there is the whole Book of Mormon thing that basically adds-on to or replaces the New Testament and claims Christ came to North America after the resurrection.
Bottom line... does it really matter?
My view is that if someone has to prove how much of a 'better Christian' they are than others... does that act itself make them less of Christian?
Who cares if someone like Mitt Romney is a Mormon or a Christian... what matters is his character. If you can look beyond his acts of taking over companies and cutting them up and selling off the pieces, leaving many American workers striped of the pensions they were depending upon to retire... that's your call. To me, it doesn't matter if he is a Mormon or Christian or Jew or Atheist... what matters to me is his character... or lack thereof.
Yep. I do find it funny through that a lot of people I know who are Baptists are convinced Obama is a secret Muslim even though he professes Christianity yet they will vote for Romney even though they consider Mormonism to be a cult.
Bottom line... does it really matter?
My view is that if someone has to prove how much of a 'better Christian' they are than others... does that act itself make them less of Christian?
Who cares if someone like Mitt Romney is a Mormon or a Christian... what matters is his character. If you can look beyond his acts of taking over companies and cutting them up and selling off the pieces, leaving many American workers striped of the pensions they were depending upon to retire... that's your call. To me, it doesn't matter if he is a Mormon or Christian or Jew or Atheist... what matters to me is his character... or lack thereof.
It doesn't matter to me at all. Although I'm not one who believes that the framers intended a true separation of church and state, the denomination, sect, cult or lack thereof of a religion for a candidate doesn't have much bearing on whether I will vote for them. I try to judge them on their policy and actions and history.
That being said, I was just answering the question as to why Mormons are not Christians.
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Bottom line... does it really matter?
My view is that if someone has to prove how much of a 'better Christian' they are than others... does that act itself make them less of Christian?
Who cares if someone like Mitt Romney is a Mormon or a Christian... what matters is his character. If you can look beyond his acts of taking over companies and cutting them up and selling off the pieces, leaving many American workers striped of the pensions they were depending upon to retire... that's your call. To me, it doesn't matter if he is a Mormon or Christian or Jew or Atheist... what matters to me is his character... or lack thereof.
Bottom line... does it really matter?
My view is that if someone has to prove how much of a 'better Christian' they are than others... does that act itself make them less of Christian?
Who cares if someone like Mitt Romney is a Mormon or a Christian... what matters is his character. If you can look beyond his acts of taking over companies and cutting them up and selling off the pieces, leaving many American workers striped of the pensions they were depending upon to retire... that's your call. To me, it doesn't matter if he is a Mormon or Christian or Jew or Atheist... what matters to me is his character... or lack thereof.
I am not so sure about that...I agree to a point, but a persons fundamental underlying belief system I think will have a significant impact on their character...and it will impact on where they stand on many issues...I think it matters to be honest
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Bottom line... does it really matter?
My view is that if someone has to prove how much of a 'better Christian' they are than others... does that act itself make them less of Christian?
Who cares if someone like Mitt Romney is a Mormon or a Christian... what matters is his character. If you can look beyond his acts of taking over companies and cutting them up and selling off the pieces, leaving many American workers striped of the pensions they were depending upon to retire... that's your call. To me, it doesn't matter if he is a Mormon or Christian or Jew or Atheist... what matters to me is his character... or lack thereof.
I am not so sure about that...I agree to a point, but a persons fundamental underlying belief system I think will have a significant impact on their character...and it will impact on where they stand on many issues...I think it matters to be honest
theres no room for religion in politics. and if you make political decisions(for the nation) based on your religious views then you should not be in politics. and as you said. it matters to be honest and i think thats the biggest thing. oh and admitting when youre wrong.
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I am not going to judge whether they are "Christians" or not but I was going to post this. Mormons and traditional Christians differ on very fundamental theological tenets of Christianity.
Mormonism teaches that God, the Son and the Holy Spirit form a heavenly council of sorts rather than being three manifestations of the same being.
Mormons believe that God was "born" twice. Once he lived a mortal life he was resurrected to achieve godhood. God also has a wife called the Heavenly Mother and their union resulted in the birth of the Son.
Traditional Christians believe God created the earth from nothing. Mormons believe he reorganized existing matter.
Mormons believe humans are eternal along with the Godhead, meaning your unique nature has always existed and will always exist and you were never "created".
Christians believe God to be omnipotent and omniscient while Mormons believe God governed by natural law.
Mormons reject Original Sin, do not believe in salvation by grace alone, practice baptism of the dead, and believe they can achieve perfection and become exalted as God is. Exaltation of man assumes a vast quantity of worlds, ruled by former men who achieved godhood.
And of course there is the whole Book of Mormon thing that basically adds-on to or replaces the New Testament and claims Christ came to North America after the resurrection.
My neighbors are Mormon. These are some rather large differences. Larger than the differences between the denominations of traditional Christianity.
thank you for this comparison ... I had no idea.
I especially like this...
Mormons believe humans are eternal along with the Godhead, meaning your unique nature has always existed and will always exist and you were never "created".
I love learning about other's beliefs...
Mormans are cool.
I am not going to judge whether they are "Christians" or not but I was going to post this. Mormons and traditional Christians differ on very fundamental theological tenets of Christianity.
Mormonism teaches that God, the Son and the Holy Spirit form a heavenly council of sorts rather than being three manifestations of the same being.
Mormons believe that God was "born" twice. Once he lived a mortal life he was resurrected to achieve godhood. God also has a wife called the Heavenly Mother and their union resulted in the birth of the Son.
Traditional Christians believe God created the earth from nothing. Mormons believe he reorganized existing matter.
Mormons believe humans are eternal along with the Godhead, meaning your unique nature has always existed and will always exist and you were never "created".
Christians believe God to be omnipotent and omniscient while Mormons believe God governed by natural law.
Mormons reject Original Sin, do not believe in salvation by grace alone, practice baptism of the dead, and believe they can achieve perfection and become exalted as God is. Exaltation of man assumes a vast quantity of worlds, ruled by former men who achieved godhood.
And of course there is the whole Book of Mormon thing that basically adds-on to or replaces the New Testament and claims Christ came to North America after the resurrection.
My neighbors are Mormon. These are some rather large differences. Larger than the differences between the denominations of traditional Christianity.
thank you for this comparison ... I had no idea.
I especially like this...
Mormons believe humans are eternal along with the Godhead, meaning your unique nature has always existed and will always exist and you were never "created".
I love learning about other's beliefs...
Mormans are cool.
and yet you wont answer my questions.. the questions i have about your 'faith'. :think: interesting.
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So some have said mormonism is a cult. So I ask what is the difference between a "cult" and a non-cult religion?
all these religions are cults from christianity to moromism, Iam a firm believer in God and that Jesus is my lord and savior, it's a belief/faith not a religion but with that being said who am I too judge anothers belifes.
theres no room for religion in politics. and if you make political decisions(for the nation) based on your religious views then you should not be in politics. and as you said. it matters to be honest and i think thats the biggest thing. oh and admitting when youre wrong.
I totally disagree with this. If you're a religious person and you have a set of values and morals that you try to follow, then you should absolutely make political decisions based upon those. There is no way you can be a TRULY religious person and not have it affect your decisions.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
theres no room for religion in politics. and if you make political decisions(for the nation) based on your religious views then you should not be in politics. and as you said. it matters to be honest and i think thats the biggest thing. oh and admitting when youre wrong.
I totally disagree with this. If you're a religious person and you have a set of values and morals that you try to follow, then you should absolutely make political decisions based upon those. There is no way you can be a TRULY religious person and not have it affect your decisions.
I agree know1, I am not religious in that I do not follow a religion
but knowing God has changed how I look at myself, my role in life,
the world and it's inhabitants.
The big picture of here and beyond, our connection to each other, influences my
political views.
I can not separate God from me in any way, nor would I ever want to.
theres no room for religion in politics. and if you make political decisions(for the nation) based on your religious views then you should not be in politics. and as you said. it matters to be honest and i think thats the biggest thing. oh and admitting when youre wrong.
I totally disagree with this. If you're a religious person and you have a set of values and morals that you try to follow, then you should absolutely make political decisions based upon those. There is no way you can be a TRULY religious person and not have it affect your decisions.
and if those religious values contravene someone elses rights, youre okay with that??
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theres no room for religion in politics. and if you make political decisions(for the nation) based on your religious views then you should not be in politics. and as you said. it matters to be honest and i think thats the biggest thing. oh and admitting when youre wrong.
I totally disagree with this. If you're a religious person and you have a set of values and morals that you try to follow, then you should absolutely make political decisions based upon those. There is no way you can be a TRULY religious person and not have it affect your decisions.
and if those religious values contravene someone elses rights, youre okay with that??
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theres no room for religion in politics. and if you make political decisions(for the nation) based on your religious views then you should not be in politics. and as you said. it matters to be honest and i think thats the biggest thing. oh and admitting when youre wrong.
I totally disagree with this. If you're a religious person and you have a set of values and morals that you try to follow, then you should absolutely make political decisions based upon those. There is no way you can be a TRULY religious person and not have it affect your decisions.
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In my view... our moral compass is not directed by our religious beiefs... it is (or SHOULD) be directed by our humanity. Our values are founded upon our being... not our beliefs. We should be making our decisions based upon whether they are the right thing to do... not because we are being watched by Jesus or God or whatever our religion if founded upon. We should base our decisions and actions on what is right... not to appease anyone... Including deities.
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I was raised as a Catholic, went to Catholic elementary school and Catholic highschool. Answering the question, to me Mormons are Christians. To the Catholic church, that is to say, from the Pope downwards, regarding that those below the pope are in the same wavelength, Mormons and all the rest Christians religions are not in fact religions, but cults, and I agree with that. However, the word Christian can be considered by two aspects, one to refer to people, "He is a Christian", and other to refer to deeds, "That's not a Christian thing to do". Therefore, even though Mormons perform deeds which may be considered as a Christian thing to do, I cannot regard Mormonism as a religion, more over, some deeds Mormons perform ARE NOT a Christian thing to do.
The difference between Catholics and the rest of the religious christian clubs is a bit vague. Catholicism is based on The Holy Trinity, God, Jesus and Holy Spirit, however, they are the same entity, and odd as it may be, when Jesus asked His Father, our God, forgiveness for our sins, he was in fact talking to himself :shock: . I always wondered why if Jesus was a Jew, why aren't we all Jews? Why the Old Testament is made of Jewish books? Remeber that all the main characters and heroes of the Old Testament are jews. And why did the other Jews turn on him, since it was the Son of God? Why did the sell Jesus to the Romans? And who was the Roman Emperor who some years later said "tear those fucking statues down, we are turning into Christianism", and why?
The Catholic church only considers Judaism, Islam and Buddhism religions. The rest of the Christian divisions are considered cults. They only share with catholicism God and Jesus. Some don't believe in the Holy Spirit, some do; some others don't believe in Virgin Mary and other Saints, some do. Some only believe in God, Jesus and angels. Many don't acknowledge the apostles. Some take inot account the New Testament, some only the Old Testament (the jewish part of the Bible, but they're Christians, not Jews). So, there are a lot to go round, so you can choose the one that suits you the most, so, in that trend of thought, it kinda looks like a club, not a religion.
By the way, the Catholic church doesn't regards Protestantism, Lutheranism, Anglicanism, Baptism, Presbiterianism, and all the rest of the -isms I'm forgetting as religions, they are considred cults. When Henry VIII couldn't have children he requested the Pope to grant him the chance to divorce his wife, the Pope said "WTF? No way!", so Henry started his own religion. Then Martin Luther, who was quite well off, came along and said that the path to salvation was one of faith, and faith only, no good deeds or money, things that Roman church needed.
As I said, I was raised a Catholic, and OMG, that shit is crazy. All religions are crazy. After learning how to turn the other cheek, embrace the neighbour, love the neighbour, help the poor, help those in need, and all the rest, it was shocking to see two girls of the senior year being expelled from school because they got pregnant, something clicked in my mind, something felt wrong, I mean, if Jesus was in love with prostitute and had a girl with her, out of wedlock, why this 17-year-old girls couldn't? Catholicism is some crazy shit, but Mormonism takes all the prizes... is it Kola or Kolob the asteroid were this guy lives? or is it V-612? Yes, Mormons perform some good deeds, ask an african-american person, a latino, a gay person... Racism, discrimination, very Christian things to do...
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I was raised as a Catholic, went to Catholic elementary school and Catholic highschool. Answering the question, to me Mormons are Christians. To the Catholic church, that is to say, from the Pope downwards, regarding that those below the pope are in the same wavelength, Mormons and all the rest Christians religions are not in fact religions, but cults, and I agree with that. However, the word Christian can be considered by two aspects, one to refer to people, "He is a Christian", and other to refer to deeds, "That's not a Christian thing to do". Therefore, even though Mormons perform deeds which may be considered as a Christian thing to do, I cannot regard Mormonism as a religion, more over, some deeds Mormons perform ARE NOT a Christian thing to do.
The difference between Catholics and the rest of the religious christian clubs is a bit vague. Catholicism is based on The Holy Trinity, God, Jesus and Holy Spirit, however, they are the same entity, and odd as it may be, when Jesus asked His Father, our God, forgiveness for our sins, he was in fact talking to himself :shock: . I always wondered why if Jesus was a Jew, why aren't we all Jews? Why the Old Testament is made of Jewish books? Remeber that all the main characters and heroes of the Old Testament are jews. And why did the other Jews turn on him, since it was the Son of God? Why did the sell Jesus to the Romans? And who was the Roman Emperor who some years later said "tear those fucking statues down, we are turning into Christianism", and why?
The Catholic church only considers Judaism, Islam and Buddhism religions. The rest of the Christian divisions are considered cults. They only share with catholicism God and Jesus. Some don't believe in the Holy Spirit, some do; some others don't believe in Virgin Mary and other Saints, some do. Some only believe in God, Jesus and angels. Many don't acknowledge the apostles. Some take inot account the New Testament, some only the Old Testament (the jewish part of the Bible, but they're Christians, not Jews). So, there are a lot to go round, so you can choose the one that suits you the most, so, in that trend of thought, it kinda looks like a club, not a religion.
By the way, the Catholic church doesn't regards Protestantism, Lutheranism, Anglicanism, Baptism, Presbiterianism, and all the rest of the -isms I'm forgetting as religions, they are considred cults. When Henry VIII couldn't have children he requested the Pope to grant him the chance to divorce his wife, the Pope said "WTF? No way!", so Henry started his own religion. Then Martin Luther, who was quite well off, came along and said that the path to salvation was one of faith, and faith only, no good deeds or money, things that Roman church needed.
As I said, I was raised a Catholic, and OMG, that shit is crazy. All religions are crazy. After learning how to turn the other cheek, embrace the neighbour, love the neighbour, help the poor, help those in need, and all the rest, it was shocking to see two girls of the senior year being expelled from school because they got pregnant, something clicked in my mind, something felt wrong, I mean, if Jesus was in love with prostitute and had a girl with her, out of wedlock, why this 17-year-old girls couldn't? Catholicism is some crazy shit, but Mormonism takes all the prizes... is it Kola or Kolob the asteroid were this guy lives? or is it V-612? Yes, Mormons perform some good deeds, ask an african-american person, a latino, a gay person... Racism, discrimination, very Christian things to do...
check this videos about this so called christians, they are fun, and interesting... thanks to Bill Maher
As far as I know, the Jews threw Jesus under the bus because he realized that organized religion was total bullshit, and spoke against the politics of the Jewish establishment. So Jesus really left the Jewish faith and spoke against it as an organized religion (not to mention that whole "I'm the son of God thing" - pretty sure most of the Jews just looked at him the same way we looked at David Koresh, only more charismatic and less evil), threatening all the dudes who got their power through that establishment.... Which leads me to believe that Jesus must be rolling in his grave over "Christianity" and the way it developed in his name, since organized Christianity flies in the face of so many of the things that Jesus actually preached, and I think it's just awful how people have managed to warp his message since he died and pin his name to all of it, because as an Atheist, I'm all for a message against organized religions. I'm pretty sure that if Jesus could come back to life he's shit his pants once he learned what the Catholic Church was all about!! ... Though I wonder if he'd change his mind if the Pope handed him a statement of the holdings of the Vatican Bank, because I'm pretty sure Jesus would have to get a pretty penny out of that assuming he got a good lawyer.
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As far as I know, the Jews threw Jesus under the bus because he realized that organized religion was total bullshit, and spoke against the politics of the Jewish establishment. So Jesus really left the Jewish faith and spoke against it as an organized religion (not to mention that whole "I'm the son of God thing" - pretty sure most of the Jews just looked at him the same way we looked at David Koresh, only more charismatic and less evil), threatening all the dudes who got their power through that establishment.... Which leads me to believe that Jesus must be rolling in his grave over "Christianity" and the way it developed in his name, since organized Christianity flies in the face of so many of the things that Jesus actually preached, and I think it's just awful how people have managed to warp his message since he died and pin his name to all of it, because as an Atheist, I'm all for a message against organized religions. I'm pretty sure that if Jesus could come back to life he's shit his pants once he learned what the Catholic Church was all about!! ... Though I wonder if he'd change his mind if the Pope handed him a statement of the holdings of the Vatican Bank, because I'm pretty sure Jesus would have to get a pretty penny out of that assuming he got a good lawyer.
I totally agree, how did I miss the point that Jesus left the ultimate commandment: love your neighbour as much as yourself! That's basic, and throws all religious hierarchy and seniority out of the window, which eventually is bad for business. By the way, I also agree with the idea that Jesus must collect every single penny made out of religion, I mean, there are some copyright and royalties issues at stake. Did you have fun with the videos? I can't stop laughing: "Always the bride, never the bride's maid"...
theres no room for religion in politics. and if you make political decisions(for the nation) based on your religious views then you should not be in politics. and as you said. it matters to be honest and i think thats the biggest thing. oh and admitting when youre wrong.
I totally disagree with this. If you're a religious person and you have a set of values and morals that you try to follow, then you should absolutely make political decisions based upon those. There is no way you can be a TRULY religious person and not have it affect your decisions.
And heres the reason religion should play no part in politics
There is no proof of gods existence, only your belief in that existence
And why should my life be affected by something like your beliefs
Religion is against scientists and doctors trying to find a cure for my daughters condition
Religion is against my neighbors being able to legally commit to each other because they both have penis's
Religion has no right to tell me what to do
I have a set of morals I try to follow as well, probably not far from your own. But religion pays no part in that
Bottom line... does it really matter?
My view is that if someone has to prove how much of a 'better Christian' they are than others... does that act itself make them less of Christian?
Who cares if someone like Mitt Romney is a Mormon or a Christian... what matters is his character. If you can look beyond his acts of taking over companies and cutting them up and selling off the pieces, leaving many American workers striped of the pensions they were depending upon to retire... that's your call. To me, it doesn't matter if he is a Mormon or Christian or Jew or Atheist... what matters to me is his character... or lack thereof.
Yep. I do find it funny through that a lot of people I know who are Baptists are convinced Obama is a secret Muslim even though he professes Christianity yet they will vote for Romney even though they consider Mormonism to be a cult.
The whole thing is so insane it is fascinating.
It is fascinating, and kinda funny, and kinda maddening. How can someone believe that anyone can be a "secret Muslm"? How can anyone sincerely be a Muslim and claim not to be? He would then have to be a pretend Muslim pretending to be a Christian. It's just nuts.
It does however make sense to theorize that Obama is a secret atheist, and same thing could easily be true of Mitt Romney, George W. Bush, or just about any politician. They're professional liars. I don't think the majority of politicians actually believe in any of the religions they say they believe in. They say what needs to be said to get people to trust them.
And heres the reason religion should play no part in politics
There is no proof of gods existence, only your belief in that existence
And why should my life be affected by something like your beliefs
Religion is against scientists and doctors trying to find a cure for my daughters condition
Religion is against my neighbors being able to legally commit to each other because they both have penis's
Religion has no right to tell me what to do
I have a set of morals I try to follow as well, probably not far from your own. But religion pays no part in that
Religion has no part to play in
Wow - generalize much??
There are so many anti-religious people on this board that really have no clue what religion is. It's pretty closed minded, really. Sure - there are SOME religions that do some of the things you say, but there are plenty of others that do not.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
As far as I know, the Jews threw Jesus under the bus because he realized that organized religion was total bullshit, and spoke against the politics of the Jewish establishment. So Jesus really left the Jewish faith and spoke against it as an organized religion (not to mention that whole "I'm the son of God thing" - pretty sure most of the Jews just looked at him the same way we looked at David Koresh, only more charismatic and less evil), threatening all the dudes who got their power through that establishment.... Which leads me to believe that Jesus must be rolling in his grave over "Christianity" and the way it developed in his name, since organized Christianity flies in the face of so many of the things that Jesus actually preached, and I think it's just awful how people have managed to warp his message since he died and pin his name to all of it, because as an Atheist, I'm all for a message against organized religions. I'm pretty sure that if Jesus could come back to life he's shit his pants once he learned what the Catholic Church was all about!! ... Though I wonder if he'd change his mind if the Pope handed him a statement of the holdings of the Vatican Bank, because I'm pretty sure Jesus would have to get a pretty penny out of that assuming he got a good lawyer.
I totally agree, how did I miss the point that Jesus left the ultimate commandment: love your neighbour as much as yourself! That's basic, and throws all religious hierarchy and seniority out of the window, which eventually is bad for business. By the way, I also agree with the idea that Jesus must collect every single penny made out of religion, I mean, there are some copyright and royalties issues at stake. Did you have fun with the videos? I can't stop laughing: "Always the bride, never the bride's maid"...
And heres the reason religion should play no part in politics
There is no proof of gods existence, only your belief in that existence
And why should my life be affected by something like your beliefs
Religion is against scientists and doctors trying to find a cure for my daughters condition
Religion is against my neighbors being able to legally commit to each other because they both have penis's
Religion has no right to tell me what to do
I have a set of morals I try to follow as well, probably not far from your own. But religion pays no part in that
Religion has no part to play in
Wow - generalize much??
There are so many anti-religious people on this board that really have no clue what religion is. It's pretty closed minded, really. Sure - there are SOME religions that do some of the things you say, but there are plenty of others that do not.
well i know what religion is. and i knowwhats been done in its and Gods name. and i include allah and every other diety you can name. religion just doesnt make any sense to me. i do understand the place it has in society... in all societies. but still i cant make any sense out of it. ive even asked some people here questions hoping to make sense of their beliefs but ive been ignored. i am very open minded. just cause i dont believe in God/s and just cause religion doesnt make any sense to me and never has, doesnt mean im close minded or small minded(if there is a difference between those two things). what i see as close minded is when someone ignores someones desire for information in hopes they can maybe, just maybe understand that someones beliefs a little better.
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No. Christians believe that has Jesus always existed, but was born or incarnated as a man.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
hmmmm. thank you. so because jesus was always considered divine as a part of God(from whence he came) and God having existed before time and the universe and all that shit jesus also has always existed. weirdly enough to me this sounds logical. tho i dont believe it for a second. still its interesting.
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I am not going to judge whether they are "Christians" or not but I was going to post this. Mormons and traditional Christians differ on very fundamental theological tenets of Christianity.
Mormonism teaches that God, the Son and the Holy Spirit form a heavenly council of sorts rather than being three manifestations of the same being.
Mormons believe that God was "born" twice. Once he lived a mortal life he was resurrected to achieve godhood. God also has a wife called the Heavenly Mother and their union resulted in the birth of the Son.
Traditional Christians believe God created the earth from nothing. Mormons believe he reorganized existing matter.
Mormons believe humans are eternal along with the Godhead, meaning your unique nature has always existed and will always exist and you were never "created".
Christians believe God to be omnipotent and omniscient while Mormons believe God governed by natural law.
Mormons reject Original Sin, do not believe in salvation by grace alone, practice baptism of the dead, and believe they can achieve perfection and become exalted as God is. Exaltation of man assumes a vast quantity of worlds, ruled by former men who achieved godhood.
And of course there is the whole Book of Mormon thing that basically adds-on to or replaces the New Testament and claims Christ came to North America after the resurrection.
My neighbors are Mormon. These are some rather large differences. Larger than the differences between the denominations of traditional Christianity.
BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
HTFD-6/27/08
ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
OKC-11/16/13
SEA-12/6/13
TUL-10/8/14
My view is that if someone has to prove how much of a 'better Christian' they are than others... does that act itself make them less of Christian?
Who cares if someone like Mitt Romney is a Mormon or a Christian... what matters is his character. If you can look beyond his acts of taking over companies and cutting them up and selling off the pieces, leaving many American workers striped of the pensions they were depending upon to retire... that's your call. To me, it doesn't matter if he is a Mormon or Christian or Jew or Atheist... what matters to me is his character... or lack thereof.
Hail, Hail!!!
Yep. I do find it funny through that a lot of people I know who are Baptists are convinced Obama is a secret Muslim even though he professes Christianity yet they will vote for Romney even though they consider Mormonism to be a cult.
The whole thing is so insane it is fascinating.
BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
HTFD-6/27/08
ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
OKC-11/16/13
SEA-12/6/13
TUL-10/8/14
It doesn't matter to me at all. Although I'm not one who believes that the framers intended a true separation of church and state, the denomination, sect, cult or lack thereof of a religion for a candidate doesn't have much bearing on whether I will vote for them. I try to judge them on their policy and actions and history.
That being said, I was just answering the question as to why Mormons are not Christians.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
you nailed it man.
Godfather.
I am not so sure about that...I agree to a point, but a persons fundamental underlying belief system I think will have a significant impact on their character...and it will impact on where they stand on many issues...I think it matters to be honest
theres no room for religion in politics. and if you make political decisions(for the nation) based on your religious views then you should not be in politics. and as you said. it matters to be honest and i think thats the biggest thing. oh and admitting when youre wrong.
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"With our thoughts we make the world"
I especially like this...
Mormons believe humans are eternal along with the Godhead, meaning your unique nature has always existed and will always exist and you were never "created".
I love learning about other's beliefs...
Mormans are cool.
and yet you wont answer my questions.. the questions i have about your 'faith'. :think: interesting.
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all these religions are cults from christianity to moromism, Iam a firm believer in God and that Jesus is my lord and savior, it's a belief/faith not a religion but with that being said who am I too judge anothers belifes.
Godfather.
I totally disagree with this. If you're a religious person and you have a set of values and morals that you try to follow, then you should absolutely make political decisions based upon those. There is no way you can be a TRULY religious person and not have it affect your decisions.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
but knowing God has changed how I look at myself, my role in life,
the world and it's inhabitants.
The big picture of here and beyond, our connection to each other, influences my
political views.
I can not separate God from me in any way, nor would I ever want to.
and if those religious values contravene someone elses rights, youre okay with that??
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
In my view... our moral compass is not directed by our religious beiefs... it is (or SHOULD) be directed by our humanity. Our values are founded upon our being... not our beliefs. We should be making our decisions based upon whether they are the right thing to do... not because we are being watched by Jesus or God or whatever our religion if founded upon. We should base our decisions and actions on what is right... not to appease anyone... Including deities.
Hail, Hail!!!
I was raised as a Catholic, went to Catholic elementary school and Catholic highschool. Answering the question, to me Mormons are Christians. To the Catholic church, that is to say, from the Pope downwards, regarding that those below the pope are in the same wavelength, Mormons and all the rest Christians religions are not in fact religions, but cults, and I agree with that. However, the word Christian can be considered by two aspects, one to refer to people, "He is a Christian", and other to refer to deeds, "That's not a Christian thing to do". Therefore, even though Mormons perform deeds which may be considered as a Christian thing to do, I cannot regard Mormonism as a religion, more over, some deeds Mormons perform ARE NOT a Christian thing to do.
The difference between Catholics and the rest of the religious christian clubs is a bit vague. Catholicism is based on The Holy Trinity, God, Jesus and Holy Spirit, however, they are the same entity, and odd as it may be, when Jesus asked His Father, our God, forgiveness for our sins, he was in fact talking to himself :shock: . I always wondered why if Jesus was a Jew, why aren't we all Jews? Why the Old Testament is made of Jewish books? Remeber that all the main characters and heroes of the Old Testament are jews. And why did the other Jews turn on him, since it was the Son of God? Why did the sell Jesus to the Romans? And who was the Roman Emperor who some years later said "tear those fucking statues down, we are turning into Christianism", and why?
The Catholic church only considers Judaism, Islam and Buddhism religions. The rest of the Christian divisions are considered cults. They only share with catholicism God and Jesus. Some don't believe in the Holy Spirit, some do; some others don't believe in Virgin Mary and other Saints, some do. Some only believe in God, Jesus and angels. Many don't acknowledge the apostles. Some take inot account the New Testament, some only the Old Testament (the jewish part of the Bible, but they're Christians, not Jews). So, there are a lot to go round, so you can choose the one that suits you the most, so, in that trend of thought, it kinda looks like a club, not a religion.
By the way, the Catholic church doesn't regards Protestantism, Lutheranism, Anglicanism, Baptism, Presbiterianism, and all the rest of the -isms I'm forgetting as religions, they are considred cults. When Henry VIII couldn't have children he requested the Pope to grant him the chance to divorce his wife, the Pope said "WTF? No way!", so Henry started his own religion. Then Martin Luther, who was quite well off, came along and said that the path to salvation was one of faith, and faith only, no good deeds or money, things that Roman church needed.
As I said, I was raised a Catholic, and OMG, that shit is crazy. All religions are crazy. After learning how to turn the other cheek, embrace the neighbour, love the neighbour, help the poor, help those in need, and all the rest, it was shocking to see two girls of the senior year being expelled from school because they got pregnant, something clicked in my mind, something felt wrong, I mean, if Jesus was in love with prostitute and had a girl with her, out of wedlock, why this 17-year-old girls couldn't? Catholicism is some crazy shit, but Mormonism takes all the prizes... is it Kola or Kolob the asteroid were this guy lives? or is it V-612? Yes, Mormons perform some good deeds, ask an african-american person, a latino, a gay person... Racism, discrimination, very Christian things to do...
check this videos about this so called christians, they are fun, and interesting... thanks to Bill Maher
this one have some explanations about what is being discussed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKqqGX0DEMM
this is from the show on April 27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp8jbnzrCDU
this is from the show on May 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NLlAKKdTtY
and this one is from last Friday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6L1_932Vx0
As far as I know, the Jews threw Jesus under the bus because he realized that organized religion was total bullshit, and spoke against the politics of the Jewish establishment. So Jesus really left the Jewish faith and spoke against it as an organized religion (not to mention that whole "I'm the son of God thing" - pretty sure most of the Jews just looked at him the same way we looked at David Koresh, only more charismatic and less evil), threatening all the dudes who got their power through that establishment.... Which leads me to believe that Jesus must be rolling in his grave over "Christianity" and the way it developed in his name, since organized Christianity flies in the face of so many of the things that Jesus actually preached, and I think it's just awful how people have managed to warp his message since he died and pin his name to all of it, because as an Atheist, I'm all for a message against organized religions. I'm pretty sure that if Jesus could come back to life he's shit his pants once he learned what the Catholic Church was all about!! ... Though I wonder if he'd change his mind if the Pope handed him a statement of the holdings of the Vatican Bank, because I'm pretty sure Jesus would have to get a pretty penny out of that assuming he got a good lawyer.
I totally agree, how did I miss the point that Jesus left the ultimate commandment: love your neighbour as much as yourself! That's basic, and throws all religious hierarchy and seniority out of the window, which eventually is bad for business. By the way, I also agree with the idea that Jesus must collect every single penny made out of religion, I mean, there are some copyright and royalties issues at stake. Did you have fun with the videos? I can't stop laughing: "Always the bride, never the bride's maid"...
here's a few more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao_PdmER ... re=related
The Mass Delusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95iRvZOt ... re=related
Best moment in Real Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lse3J6Lk ... re=related
I'm pretty sure they don't consider the Orthodox Church as a cult.
And heres the reason religion should play no part in politics
There is no proof of gods existence, only your belief in that existence
And why should my life be affected by something like your beliefs
Religion is against scientists and doctors trying to find a cure for my daughters condition
Religion is against my neighbors being able to legally commit to each other because they both have penis's
Religion has no right to tell me what to do
I have a set of morals I try to follow as well, probably not far from your own. But religion pays no part in that
Religion has no part to play in
It is fascinating, and kinda funny, and kinda maddening. How can someone believe that anyone can be a "secret Muslm"? How can anyone sincerely be a Muslim and claim not to be? He would then have to be a pretend Muslim pretending to be a Christian. It's just nuts.
It does however make sense to theorize that Obama is a secret atheist, and same thing could easily be true of Mitt Romney, George W. Bush, or just about any politician. They're professional liars. I don't think the majority of politicians actually believe in any of the religions they say they believe in. They say what needs to be said to get people to trust them.
Wow - generalize much??
There are so many anti-religious people on this board that really have no clue what religion is. It's pretty closed minded, really. Sure - there are SOME religions that do some of the things you say, but there are plenty of others that do not.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
you mean the Orthodox Catholic Church?
well i know what religion is. and i knowwhats been done in its and Gods name. and i include allah and every other diety you can name. religion just doesnt make any sense to me. i do understand the place it has in society... in all societies. but still i cant make any sense out of it. ive even asked some people here questions hoping to make sense of their beliefs but ive been ignored. i am very open minded. just cause i dont believe in God/s and just cause religion doesnt make any sense to me and never has, doesnt mean im close minded or small minded(if there is a difference between those two things). what i see as close minded is when someone ignores someones desire for information in hopes they can maybe, just maybe understand that someones beliefs a little better.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say