Are Mormons Christian?
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...That said, many non-Mormon Christians would argue that Mormons are not Christians in the truest sense of the word. Not real sure of the details as to why, though.
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I've always wondered that.
Hail, Hail!!!
And they say yes. :ugeek:
I don't think so .... exactly
I think that Catholics and Episcopalians believe in the Holy Trinity as 3 separate entities all rolled into one if that makes sense?
And other Christian groups believe that Jesus is the Son of God, died and rose again
But not as 3 separate entities
I could be wrong
Where are our learned Christian jammers?
jo
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"How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
death oaths? tithing? jesus in america? garments? donny and marie?
it's a cult, and a very wealthy and strange one at that.
for those truly interested, i recommend "under the banner of heaven" by john krakauer (author of 'into the wild'). it should be available at your local library and it is absolutely fucking terrifying.
And yes, he tithed. He did so despite having to make sacrifices for it. I admire that, just as I admire anyone who is charitable because they feel it's the right thing to do.
What a concept :P
I have also heard/read that Catholics aren't 'Real Christians'... is that a true statement?
Hail, Hail!!!
i was raised a Catholic (now recovering) and have had people call me many things that were not so great
and not in the spirit of their own "Christianity"
without bothering to look into how modern religion came about
many people think that Catholicism is a pagan religion
and in many aspects they are partially right
Catholics as well as many other Christian religions do worship pagan symbols
the Christmas tree for one example is an old Celtic pagan ritual
Also, praying to the Virgin Mary doesn't bode well with many other Christian sects
I could go on
But the truth of the matter is that when the Christians wanted to convert the Celts and other Pagan societies way back when, they were having trouble doing so
So they sort of combined pagan rituals and pagan holidays to make them more acceptable and palatable to both sides
Pagan solstices and other holidays were combined with Christian observances and eventually ended up being one and the same
So who's to condemn one or the other or any religion
Many religions take something from another and make it their own
jo
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"How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
Thanx fror the insight.
Which leads me back to the question... So, who gets to decide who is a 'Real Christian' and who isn't?
My best guess would be... NOT the person who has ever uttered the sentence, "He/She/They aren't 'Real Christians'."
Hail, Hail!!!
you would think someone who was raised catholic, catholic school, and catholic church twice a week until the age of 15 would know more about this.
for the record i'm not asking if they are more or less christian than another form of christianity. just simply if it is considered a christian religion. if that makes any sense. but they do believe in christ. so i guess i would say they are christian.
substitute a few words here and there, and it sounds like one of those lame debates on who is a bigger PJ Fan!
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
the original christian church was the roman catholic church, then there was a schism which led to a split between the roman catholic church and the orthodox catholic churches. then the roman split again with Calvinism, Lutheran church, anglicism etc and all the various evangelical and protestant churches you have now in america evolved from these. (may have the order of this mixed up but that was the general theme in brief)
the Mormon church seems to have no real bloodline that relates to any split of these.
therefore i don't believe they are a christian church in the traditional sense but at the same time they recognize JC and all that jazz
but at the same time weather i actually consider them christian has no bearing on anything whatsoever
Just because their version of myth doesn't follow anothers version of myth doesn't mean anything. A lot of Christian faiths differ.
In my opinion... Yes. Mormons are followers of Christ, therefore Christians. Who am I to say who is Christian and who is not? Christians, Catholics, Mormons, Evangelicals, Lutherans and even the Westboro Baptist Church members are all Christians. None of them get to say who is really a Christian and who is not.
Hail, Hail!!!
right. so, it's not like their are certain criteria for being christian. except for following or believing in christ.
That's the way I see it. They can all call themselves Christians. And in the same spirit, cannot claim Jesus Christ as theor own personal possession. Meaning, a Born-Again Christian cannot say that a Catholic is not Christian and vice-versa. They all follow the same teacher... maybe on slightly different roads. And neither the Born-again nor the Catholic cannot say the Westboro Baptist Church is not Christian. They can sat the W.B.C. are assholes... which would be true, but who is granted the authority to say who is Christian and who ins not?
No one.
Hail, Hail!!!
Yeah... I know they give 10% of their income to their "church" which they get tax credits for. And the "church" uses it to fund political campaigns and built castles and shrines to themselves.
Yes I've met nice Mormons. Which is why I'm always very polite when I tell them that if I ever got the chance, I'd vote to have them all thrown in jail for life and burn their castles to the ground.
And yeah, I know that's mean. But no less than they deserve.
I think the born again will tell you it isnt so important who is a christian, or who thinks they are a christian that is important...but who is SAVED...who is going to heaven when they die and who is going to hell...
They will also tell you that you need to confess Jesus as your lord and saviour, repent of your sins, be baptised in water and be baptised in the holy spirit...many will even tell you that speaking in tongues will be the sign this has happened (they actually argue about this amongst themselves)...to be SAVED...please forgive me christians if I got this wrong...
Am also confident to tell you they would say mormonism, JWs, scientology, and probably many others are cults...
As for me...NO IDEA!!! but love the discussion! Carry on...ALL DOGS GO TO HEAVEN ANYWAY
...well perhaps with the exception of them that smoke..."smoke in this life, smoke in the next"...Im lookin at you SMELLYMAN...oh and cosmo...no cats are going to heaven anyway, so do whatever the hell you like!!!
Well firstly I apologise to any mormons if I get this wrong...please fell free to make corrections...but my understanding is that they probably dont consider other church attenders as christians either...
When Jesus met with Joseph Smith, the founder of their faith, he told him that all the existing churches were an abomonation, and that he had to start a new church which would be the only true church on earth.
They believe there are four levels of "heaven" in the afterlife...and I think we can all become Gods ourselves...I also think they believe that their salvation comes via faith AND works...
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Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
+1.
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“..Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.” – JoD: vol.10 p. 110: (March 8, 1863)
i am married to a brown person, so i'm not sure i qualify for stoning. she's really super brown though. either way, i'm sure crazy ol' brigham young would disapprove. hey brigham, what's up with people who don't look like you?
“You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, un- comely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race – that they should be the “servant of servants;” and they will be, until that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree. How long is that race to endure the dreadful curse that is upon them? That curse will remain upon them, [p.291] and they never can hold the Priesthood or share in it until all the other descendants of Adam have received the promises and enjoyed the blessings of the Priesthood and the keys thereof. Until the last ones of the residue of Adam’s children are brought up to that favourable position, the children of Cain cannot receive the first ordinances of the Priesthood. They were the first that were cursed, and they will be the last from whom the curse will be removed.When the residue of the family of Adam come up and receive their blessings, then the curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will receive blessings in like proportion. “- JoD 7:290-291 (October 9, 1859)
this is the fucking guy they named a university after.
for those who say, "well i know a mormon and we freely share ideas and blah blah blah", well so fucking what?
i got an older brother. he's a cop. harley davidson riding, weight lifting steroid head. hard-core republican. super super racist. hates jews and blacks and puerto ricans. gays too, can't stand the gays (i suspect with all his hatred he might be a little fruity himself deep down, but i'd never say that). he and his skinhead cop cronies have a 'social club' which is pretty much their own drunk irish version of the kkk. every so often my brother and i drink scotch and have a civil discussion of politics and share ideas and all that shit. in he end, we hug and agree to disagree. so fucking what?
mormonism is a cult, disguised as a religion, started by a con man who was eventually torn to shreds by an angry mob. they brainwash the young, give no worth to women save childbirth, and most egregious, i think, is that they never want you to use the brain god gave you. if you're a man just do this this and this, don't do this this and this, and bam, you got to heaven. if you're a woman, shut the fuck up and start spitting out kids, preferably boys. fucking ridiculous.
Their beliefs and rituals do seem a bit strange to me though. I also do sense a general distaste toward other races through a lot of the Mormons I have encountered.
They never tried to push their beliefs on me though person to person. I know they send kids on those "missions", but they are always pretty well mannered when they are rejected.
well thats not what jesus told me.
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