Are Mormons Christian?

And in case you are interested;

Well firstly I apologise to any mormons if I get this wrong...please fell free to make corrections...but my understanding is that they probably dont consider other church attenders as christians either...

When Jesus met with Joseph Smith, the founder of their faith, he told him that all the existing churches were an abomonation, and that he had to start a new church which would be the only true church on earth.

They believe there are four levels of "heaven" in the afterlife...and I think we can all become Gods ourselves...I also think they believe that their salvation comes via faith AND works...

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Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Mormonism is a cult. And a pretty vicious one.

Yeah... I know they give 10% of their income to their "church" which they get tax credits for. And the "church" uses it to fund political campaigns and built castles and shrines to themselves.

Yes I've met nice Mormons. Which is why I'm always very polite when I tell them that if I ever got the chance, I'd vote to have them all thrown in jail for life and burn their castles to the ground.

And yeah, I know that's mean. But no less than they deserve.

Always this bigoted and full of hate?

speaking of bigots and being full of hatred, what do you think brigham young?

“..Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.” – JoD: vol.10 p. 110: (March 8, 1863)

i am married to a brown person, so i'm not sure i qualify for stoning. she's really super brown though. either way, i'm sure crazy ol' brigham young would disapprove. hey brigham, what's up with people who don't look like you?


“You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, un- comely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race – that they should be the “servant of servants;” and they will be, until that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree. How long is that race to endure the dreadful curse that is upon them? That curse will remain upon them, [p.291] and they never can hold the Priesthood or share in it until all the other descendants of Adam have received the promises and enjoyed the blessings of the Priesthood and the keys thereof. Until the last ones of the residue of Adam’s children are brought up to that favourable position, the children of Cain cannot receive the first ordinances of the Priesthood. They were the first that were cursed, and they will be the last from whom the curse will be removed.When the residue of the family of Adam come up and receive their blessings, then the curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will receive blessings in like proportion. “- JoD 7:290-291 (October 9, 1859)

this is the fucking guy they named a university after.

for those who say, "well i know a mormon and we freely share ideas and blah blah blah", well so fucking what?

i got an older brother. he's a cop. harley davidson riding, weight lifting steroid head. hard-core republican. super super racist. hates jews and blacks and puerto ricans. gays too, can't stand the gays (i suspect with all his hatred he might be a little fruity himself deep down, but i'd never say that). he and his skinhead cop cronies have a 'social club' which is pretty much their own drunk irish version of the kkk. every so often my brother and i drink scotch and have a civil discussion of politics and share ideas and all that shit. in he end, we hug and agree to disagree. so fucking what?

mormonism is a cult, disguised as a religion, started by a con man who was eventually torn to shreds by an angry mob. they brainwash the young, give no worth to women save childbirth, and most egregious, i think, is that they never want you to use the brain god gave you. if you're a man just do this this and this, don't do this this and this, and bam, you got to heaven. if you're a woman, shut the fuck up and start spitting out kids, preferably boys. fucking ridiculous.

bindy123 wrote:

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When Jesus met with Joseph Smith, the founder of their faith, he told him that all the existing churches were an abomonation, and that he had to start a new church which would be the only true church on earth....

well thats not what jesus told me.

Aaron 23 wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Mormonism is a cult. And a pretty vicious one.

Yeah... I know they give 10% of their income to their "church" which they get tax credits for. And the "church" uses it to fund political campaigns and built castles and shrines to themselves.

Yes I've met nice Mormons. Which is why I'm always very polite when I tell them that if I ever got the chance, I'd vote to have them all thrown in jail for life and burn their castles to the ground.

And yeah, I know that's mean. But no less than they deserve.

Always this bigoted and full of hate?

hard not to be when the very fact of your being born as you are is attacked at every turn by those who claim to follow a "love thy neighbor" doctrine


*unless your neighbor is gay*

PoD is mostly just a mirror reflecting what thrown his way.

juan lester wrote:

i got the point. you know a mormon person you like. doesn't change the fact the the basic tenets of mormonism are totally fucked. i know a racist prick who i am forced to love, doesn't mean the basic tenets of his beliefs aren't fucked.

and of course mormons are nice. they are trained to be that way.

have you read 'under the banner of heaven'?

No, I haven't read what you referenced.

And look, I'm not gonna try and sway your stance; you're obviously set in your views and that's fine. I was talking about my own perspective based on what are, granted, limited experiences. Although to say someone has been "trained" to be kind, I dunno. I find it insulting in the way it was phrased. But in the end? Big deal...for both of us.

I'm cool with not lumping everyone into one group but I get that your experiences may have you see otherwise.

I like what Aaron wrote.
If people didn't define themselves based upon a religion... would we be having this discussion? Probably not.
It doesn't matter what a person's belief system is to anyone else... it all comes down to who the underlying person behind the religious belief/non-belief is.
I'm sure there are nice Mormons out there just as I'm sure there are asshole Mormons out there. Same goes for Christians, Catholics, Scientologists, Muslims, Jews, Atheists, Hindus and every other religion out there. It's not a reflection of the religion, more of a true image of the person.
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For me... I honestly don't know. It doesn't mean i don't believe or disbelieve... it just mean, I know that I don't know. I'm leaving the door open and will wait until the truth comes in. I'll accept either, God or Void. All i'm looking for is the truth.

catefrances wrote:

bindy123 wrote:

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When Jesus met with Joseph Smith, the founder of their faith, he told him that all the existing churches were an abomonation, and that he had to start a new church which would be the only true church on earth....

well thats not what jesus told me.

Well lets all look here at miss smug suzy secret keeper...

Come on then, what did he tell you???

Smellyman wrote:

juan lester wrote:

am not hating on any individual.
i just think mormonism is fucked.
scary ass cult/business posing as a religion based on the ravings of a lunatic con man.
read the book of mormon. it is short and unbelievably terribly written.

all religion is kind of crazy to me. Arguing which brand of crazy is crazier is crazy.....

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I told that to a friend who was making fun of Scientology. I asked him when the last time he... or any other human... talked to a talking snake.
How does that saying about stones and glass houses go... oh yeah, don't say shit about other people's crazy beliefs if you have crazy beliefs.

Cosmo wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

juan lester wrote:

am not hating on any individual.
i just think mormonism is fucked.
scary ass cult/business posing as a religion based on the ravings of a lunatic con man.
read the book of mormon. it is short and unbelievably terribly written.

all religion is kind of crazy to me. Arguing which brand of crazy is crazier is crazy.....

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I told that to a friend who was making fun of Scientology. I asked him when the last time he... or any other human... talked to a talking snake.
How does that saying about stones and glass houses go... oh yeah, don't say shit about other people's crazy beliefs if you have crazy beliefs.

HA HA HA HA...thats a great call!

I remember this tree talking to me once...it was on fire...I think I was riding along inside the stomach of a giant whale...but yeah those mormons sure believe some crazy shit!!!