Nugent pleads guilty over illegal bear killing
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see my post again. I had edited out to *try* to not to be rude.0
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Ted Nugent is touring this summer with REO Speedwagon and Styx....
He is getting alot of well needed attention right now....
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I didn't watch all that but a bit when I was searching earlierGodfather. wrote:
he has some outstanding views ... I had no idea
this I posted in my closed thread ... I guess I can here now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo this was great!0 -
Cosmo wrote:Let me add this:
To those whom support Ted Nugent's actions and excuse his draft dodging as youthful indiscretion...
Do you feel the same way towards Jane Fonda in the Viet Nam era?
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Personally, I don't.
I hold her responsible for her actions.
It is one thing to protest the war on college campuses and try to effect a change in policy towards Indo-China... it's a completely a different thing to go to Hanoi and be a guest of the nation we are in armed conflict with. I would feel the same way if Sean Penn, for example, were to have gone to Afghanistan as a guest of Usama bin Laden.
Do your excuses cross political lines... or is your opinion/support strictly partisan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4APaynT1 ... re=related
enjoy ya'll
Godfather.0 -
I've been eating the popcorn the whole time you and Godfather are stirring everyone else up. You really think we're stupid or something?
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thanks I'll take a look tomorrow ...Godfather. wrote:Cosmo wrote:Let me add this:
To those whom support Ted Nugent's actions and excuse his draft dodging as youthful indiscretion...
Do you feel the same way towards Jane Fonda in the Viet Nam era?
...
Personally, I don't.
I hold her responsible for her actions.
It is one thing to protest the war on college campuses and try to effect a change in policy towards Indo-China... it's a completely a different thing to go to Hanoi and be a guest of the nation we are in armed conflict with. I would feel the same way if Sean Penn, for example, were to have gone to Afghanistan as a guest of Usama bin Laden.
Do your excuses cross political lines... or is your opinion/support strictly partisan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4APaynT1 ... re=related
enjoy ya'll
Godfather.0 -
raping the land and wildlife with sick twisted acts such a blowing a hole through a rhino's lungs blasting the beasts last breath and organs all over the earth for a bunk ass piece of garbage's collection of slaughtered animals.pandora wrote:
yeah not really getting that... sorry :?redrock wrote:I was obviously wrong in thinking my analogy would be clearer in showing the difference between 'accepting' (not judging) a person as it would seem one cannot understand certain mindsets and accepting/condoning/not opposing the reprehensible ACT this person may have committed.
I just know some keep calling hunters rapists murderers and child molesters
makes me go huh :?:
that seems incredibly judgmental and unforgiving and I can't see that anolgy
and I'm thinking the hunters wouldn't either maybe.
Quite an insult to 2 million people in our country alone :(
that is rape and murder of both ground and animal and everything incredible in this life.
it is not that difficult to follow, pandorafor poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0 -
whale murder is a solid rape against the earth and sea. this man does to this day. it is not hard to follow
gorilla been murdered by the thousands for what? for things such as gorilla hand ashtrays.
leopard pelts is the rape of big cat lives and a complete disrepect for mother earth through the molestation of wildlife.
how fucking many more descriptive horrorific examples do i need to give?
"do not be naive in this life" - Larry H. Krueger
that's my dad. he used to tell me that all day long
365 days a yearfor poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0 -
chadwick wrote:whale murder is a solid rape against the earth and sea. this man does to this day. it is not hard to follow
gorilla been murdered by the thousands for what? for things such as gorilla hand ashtrays.
leopard pelts is the rape of big cat lives and a complete disrepect for mother earth through the molestation of wildlife.
how fucking many more descriptive horrorific examples do i need to give?
"do not be naive in this life" - Larry H. Krueger
that's my dad. he used to tell me that all day long
365 days a year
why are you still on this rant ? the only people reading this are the same one that are always here...on the train
and most have either agreed with you or just heard it a million fucking times.
"do not be naive in this life" - Larry H. Krueger ...good advice my friend.
you can say it a million ways but it still comes down to one thing...your opinion.. and no mater how much you try you can't convince everybody to follow along with your opinion and you get angry and verbaly assult others
for no other reason then they don't share the same anger on a subject as you, take it ez man ...breath..
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...Godfather. wrote:Cosmo wrote:Let me add this:
To those whom support Ted Nugent's actions and excuse his draft dodging as youthful indiscretion...
Do you feel the same way towards Jane Fonda in the Viet Nam era?
...
Personally, I don't.
I hold her responsible for her actions.
It is one thing to protest the war on college campuses and try to effect a change in policy towards Indo-China... it's a completely a different thing to go to Hanoi and be a guest of the nation we are in armed conflict with. I would feel the same way if Sean Penn, for example, were to have gone to Afghanistan as a guest of Usama bin Laden.
Do your excuses cross political lines... or is your opinion/support strictly partisan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4APaynT1 ... re=related
enjoy ya'll
Godfather.
So... after all of that... are you okay with Jane Fonda's youthful indescretion during the Viet Nam war?Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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but the fact remains that he did NOT eat the wounded bear. he shot it, failed to track it, allowed it to suffer and most likely die and become a waste of muscle and bones. he did not eat it because he could not or would not find it. he is GUILTY of the crime of which he is accused.Jeanwah wrote:Because humans are so superior to every other species, right? We should be able to kill and eat every other species because we're king of the world? Quite an insult to every other species in the kingdom. See my definitions above.
and yes it is an insult to other species on this planet."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
wish my dad would have given me that advice because i was naive and gullible for far too long in this life....chadwick wrote:"do not be naive in this life" - Larry H. Krueger
that's my dad. he used to tell me that all day long
365 days a year
and i am not naive enough to call what nugent is doing and has done "hunting"...
and as an aside, i decided to read some of ted's lyrics earlier today....that crap makes spinal tap lyrics read like shakespeare...."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Is a definition of analogy necessary? An analogy is a comparison but does not mean one is the other. We are not talking metonym here. Furthermore, I am not talking about hunters either but the ACT of condoning the unscrupulous killing of animals for the sake of putting them on the wall - whoever may be condoning this ACT ('hunter' or not).pandora wrote:
yeah not really getting that... sorry :?redrock wrote:I was obviously wrong in thinking my analogy would be clearer in showing the difference between 'accepting' (not judging) a person as it would seem one cannot understand certain mindsets and accepting/condoning/not opposing the reprehensible ACT this person may have committed.
I just know some keep calling hunters rapists murderers and child molesters
makes me go huh :?:
that seems incredibly judgmental and unforgiving and I can't see that anolgy
and I'm thinking the hunters wouldn't either maybe.
Quite an insult to 2 million people in our country alone :(
Or... could the lack of 'seeing' be that...Jeanwah wrote:..... you and Godfather are stirring everyone else up.
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My take on this thread up to now (which can be quickly summarised):
On Ted Nugent (whether one finds this acceptable or not) - in a factual/non judgemental way:
- He is a poacher - documented
- He is a trophy hunter - documented
- He gets a kick out of killing animals - documented
- He has no respect for animals - documented
- He makes money out of canned hunts - documented
- He is a coward - documented
- He is a paedophile - documented
On hunting:
- It has been established that there are different 'types' of hunters/hunts.
- Whilst ethical and therapeutic hunting is deemed 'acceptable' by all (seemingly), it is not condoned by all.
- Canned hunts are deemed to be shameful by all, with the exception of a couple.
- Trophy hunting is deemed unacceptable by all, with the exception of a couple.
- As Nugent partakes in canned hunts, is a trophy hunter and a poacher, he is not deemed to be an 'ethical' hunter but rather one of 'those' hunters - it's a sport from which one gets a kick from killing. This is again seems to be the opinion of most, apart from a couple.
- Hunting (the Nugent way) is not conservation, even if he would like to think so.
- There seems to be some confusion by some between a hunter (as a person) and the ACTS of certain type of "hunters".
Plus there are a few posts on Nugent's 'politics' and political actions (or lack thereof) and his rants.
My personal thoughts on Nugent (and I guess this makes me judgemental and unforgiving):
He is a lowlife, a has-been attention seeking whore. Should he not have his regular rants, his regular brushes with the law to keep him in the spotlight (and we are somewhat guilty of giving him a platform here), he would probably just be an old, deaf nobody sitting in his leather chair at home surrounded by his 'trophies', bow on his lap trying to remember what underaged pussy was like with the only beaver he is laying his eyes on being the stuffed one on his mantlepiece. No one would be interested in him or partake in his organised canned hunts.
As someone mentioned, he has a tour planned - he needs publicity at the moment.
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I did a quicky this morning ...
in wiki
Trophy hunting is the selective hunting of wild game animals. Although parts of the slain animal may be kept as a hunting trophy or memorial (usually the skin, antlers and/or head), the carcass itself is sometimes used as food.
Trophy hunting has firm supporters and opponents. Public debate about trophy hunting often centres on the question of the morality of sport hunting and the question of the extent to which the money paid by trophy hunters benefits the population of game animals and the local economy.
Trophy hunting should not be confused with poaching, the practice of taking game illegally.
So thank goodness I was not confused on that part.
Hunting is the practice of pursuing any living thing, usually wildlife, for food, recreation, or trade. In present-day use, the term refers to lawful hunting, as distinguished from poaching, which is the killing, trapping or capture of the hunted species contrary to applicable law. The species which are hunted are referred to as game, and are usually mammalsand migratory or non-migratory gamebirds.
Hunting can also involve the elimination of vermin, as a means of pest control to prevent diseases caused byoverpopulation. Hunting advocates state that hunting can be a necessary component of modern wildlife management, for example to help maintain a population of healthy animals within an environment's ecological carrying capacity when natural checks such as predators are absent. In the United States, wildlife managers are frequently part of hunting regulatory and licensing bodies, where they help to set rules on the number, manner and conditions in which game may be hunted.
The pursuit, capture and release, or capture for food of fish is called fishing, which is not commonly categorised as a form of hunting. Trapping is also usually considered a separate activity.
I guess those who oppose hunting then could be ok with fishing as the definition
is not considered hunting though in my eyes the outcome is the same.
As far as Ted goes
also quick search on wiki which is unbiased... I noticed biased personal opinion on the web
claiming to be documented when it was opinion and heresay.
In September 2009, Nugent embarked on a hunt near Somerset, El Dorado County, California. He was accompanied by a guide and a cameraman, filming for his Outdoor Channel show "Spirit of the Wild." The video taken appeared in an episode of the show first broadcast on February 9, 2010. California Fish and Game wardens who watched the broadcast noticed that it showed Nugent killing a very young buck which had been attracted by commercial bait. Both the killing of such a young deer and the use of bait are crimes under California state law. On August 13, 2010, he pled no contest in Yuba County to two misdemeanors: illegally baiting a deer, and failing to have a deer tag signed by a government official after a kill. He was fined USD $1,750 by the court and is banned from hunting in California until June 2012. In April 2012 Nugent signed a plea bargaining agreement to plead guilty to two misdemeanors for illegally taking a bear after shooting one earlier at a bait station. He will be fined $10,000, banned from hunting in Alaska and on Federal land for one year and must complete two years on federal probation.
I did not see him called a poacher in these charges.
Time will tell how Ted handles these mistakes he has made and hopefully his
public service announcements will bring awareness. We'll be seeing him a bit more on TV
I guess.
If so and he learns from his mistakes I hope others give him props for that,
most especially the blue team
cause we all are living and learning.
My personal opinion of hunters and Ted remain unbiased.
I'm not going to judge either. I can't in this case, I too have learned a lesson.
People can twist and exaggerate as they see fit ...
like a rock star in his younger days sleeping with groupies...
that is now a pedophlie :? I bet there are a lot of older rockstars suddenly surprised :wtf:
being a groupie myself I promise not to press charges
they are some fine old memories
The overuse of the term pedophile and labeling someone as so
distracts from those who are truly dangerous to society in my opinion.
The biggest problem for me is others slamming people
just because they don't like them, which we have seen in this thread.
Don't have to like nor agree to be accepting, kind and respectful,
this we do can do for ourselves and it is called the golden rule.0 -
Cosmo wrote:
...Godfather. wrote:Cosmo wrote:Let me add this:
To those whom support Ted Nugent's actions and excuse his draft dodging as youthful indiscretion...
Do you feel the same way towards Jane Fonda in the Viet Nam era?
...
Personally, I don't.
I hold her responsible for her actions.
It is one thing to protest the war on college campuses and try to effect a change in policy towards Indo-China... it's a completely a different thing to go to Hanoi and be a guest of the nation we are in armed conflict with. I would feel the same way if Sean Penn, for example, were to have gone to Afghanistan as a guest of Usama bin Laden.
Do your excuses cross political lines... or is your opinion/support strictly partisan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4APaynT1 ... re=related
enjoy ya'll
Godfather.
So... after all of that... are you okay with Jane Fonda's youthful indescretion during the Viet Nam war?
no man I'm not, bro I gotta tell you have taken this thread a little futher than normal for you...always with the spot on facts and sometimes a comic sling with your post but this one is just a feeding frenzy for a few people on here and you seem to have joined the feast, I'm sure Jane Fonda regrets her choices during the war but why are we going from a guilty plee for killing a fucking bear to to dead whales and Jane Fonda ?
I saw a bumper sticker in the 80's that that read "NUKE THE GAY WHALES FOR CHRIST"..and that kinda reminds me of some of the folks on the train..internet protesters with overlaping values and opinions...(this is o.k but...) and just gets comical after awhile and all you can do is laugh and enjoy the ride.
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Godfather. wrote:chadwick wrote:whale murder is a solid rape against the earth and sea. this man does to this day. it is not hard to follow
gorilla been murdered by the thousands for what? for things such as gorilla hand ashtrays.
leopard pelts is the rape of big cat lives and a complete disrepect for mother earth through the molestation of wildlife.
how fucking many more descriptive horrorific examples do i need to give?
"do not be naive in this life" - Larry H. Krueger
that's my dad. he used to tell me that all day long
365 days a year
why are you still on this rant ? the only people reading this are the same one that are always here...on the train
and most have either agreed with you or just heard it a million fucking times.
"do not be naive in this life" - Larry H. Krueger ...good advice my friend.
you can say it a million ways but it still comes down to one thing...your opinion.. and no mater how much you try you can't convince everybody to follow along with your opinion and you get angry and verbaly assult others
for no other reason then they don't share the same anger on a subject as you, take it ez man ...breath..
Godfather.
Just like you Godfather who are in acceptence and admiration of TN which I respect that you have stook to your guns. I also respect Chadwick for sticking to his guns by showing his passion for this subject matter and what it intails. So allow him to vent as long he wishes just like you in turn would wish to vent your love for this person TN. That said you take a minute or two and take some deep breaths of fresh air of which many of these hunted/killed animals cannot take anymore.
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you are something else, sir.Godfather. wrote:no man I'm not, bro I gotta tell you have taken this thread a little futher than normal for you...always with the spot on facts and sometimes a comic sling with your post but this one is just a feeding frenzy for a few people on here and you seem to have joined the feast, I'm sure Jane Fonda regrets her choices during the war but why are we going from a guilty plee for killing a fucking bear to to dead whales and Jane Fonda ?
I saw a bumper sticker in the 80's that that read "NUKE THE GAY WHALES FOR CHRIST"..and that kinda reminds me of some of the folks on the train..internet protesters with overlaping values and opinions...(this is o.k but...) and just gets comical after awhile and all you can do is laugh and enjoy the ride.
Godfather.for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN4K-t1sqeQ&feature=related
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