Many people have stated many times that its not about that. I personally wouldn't hunt, I just don't find killing things enjoyable.
Most here have stated they don't have a problem with hunters that eat what they kill, we have a problem with trophy hunters, and hunters that work outside the laws put in place to protect animals.
It's been said over and over and over again. If the two of choose not to read the entire thread, that's on you guys. But your asking questions again and again that have been answered again and again, and well....that's just fucking annoying.
Please read the thread, the entire thread if you truly wish to engage in any meaningful debate on the subject.
Peace, Love.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
Concerning leather, we are vehemently anti-leather and anti-wearing animal products of any kind.
If one eats beef for example, I don't see the problem using the by-product of this. After all, one should use all parts of the animal and avoid a much waste as possible. Pelt (fur) may be another matter as animals are usually killed for their fur only to become a fashion accessory.
So, as eating meat (ethically sourced), I have no problem with leather/hide though I can understand your girlfriend would.
Good points. It just comes down to my personal preference concerning leather.
Many people have stated many times that its not about that. I personally wouldn't hunt, I just don't find killing things enjoyable.
Most here have stated they don't have a problem with hunters that eat what they kill, we have a problem with trophy hunters, and hunters that work outside the laws put in place to protect animals.
It's been said over and over and over again. If the two of choose not to read the entire thread, that's on you guys. But your asking questions again and again that have been answered again and again, and well....that's just fucking annoying.
Please read the thread, the entire thread if you truly wish to engage in any meaningful debate on the subject.
:thumbup:
Or, just start a new thread about the hypocrisy of animal lovers who enjoy a burger once in a while.
just curious..how can you guy's talk all this animal love and claim to have the animals best interest in heart
then kick off yer leather shoes remove yer learther belt and then enjoy a big fat farm fed turkey and a big fat farm fed ham on thanksgiving ? :fp:
Godfather.
no replies yeah
pure hypocrisy to eat meat, wear leather, the ladies carry leather then act all noble like they can't kill a thing
Ted's honest about who he is
This thread is about "trophy hunting" and not people's dietary habits. Two different things.
As per the hypocrisy charge, I will speak for myself.
I live with my girlfriend who is a vegetarian and the cook of the house. Therefore, I am a vegetarian at home. This is my choice, and a good one, I feel, for health reasons. We do not keep any meat at home, and for breakfast I have eggs, rye toast, and a Morningstar (vegetarian) sausage patty. I also usually have a banana/strawberry smoothie for breakfast or brunch/lunch if I am home.
When I go out to eat, and if I am in the mood for a chicken/burger/steak, I look closely for the keywords of "local" "organic" or any related. In other words, I care about how an animal is treated. I usually opt for chicken or a shrimp dish. I probably have a burger once a month, and a steak a few times a year.
Concerning leather, we are vehemently anti-leather and anti-wearing animal products of any kind.
I read this thread is about Ted anything about Ted but it has gone to a Hunting Trophy debate
man you are a meat eater and kill chickens pigs and steer when you are in the mood to
just saying people look at what you support before you judge someone who might
trophy hunt legally and make use of the meat hide and honor the animal
with display.
Few people ok that is all you need to make a general statement like that.
Look at the history man. The other Teddy might have a good laugh at the narrow
minded arrogance right there.
You're right, It is true that history holds "noble men of character with the heads of wild beasts on their walls."
But then again, you can also validly use "history" in making arguments for things such as slavery and blood-letting, thereby making "history" in and of itself not very strong support for an arguement.
Do you have anything better in making an argument for trophy hunting other than "history" then?
Many people have stated many times that its not about that. I personally wouldn't hunt, I just don't find killing things enjoyable.
Most here have stated they don't have a problem with hunters that eat what they kill, we have a problem with trophy hunters, and hunters that work outside the laws put in place to protect animals.
It's been said over and over and over again. If the two of choose not to read the entire thread, that's on you guys. But your asking questions again and again that have been answered again and again, and well....that's just fucking annoying.
Please read the thread, the entire thread if you truly wish to engage in any meaningful debate on the subject.
wow man you are full of assumption I read the thread
you kill eat meat and find fault with someone who trophy hunts legally
why
Few people ok that is all you need to make a general statement like that.
Look at the history man. The other Teddy might have a good laugh at the narrow
minded arrogance right there.
You're right, It is true that history holds "noble men of character with the heads of wild beasts on their walls."
But then again, you can also validly use "history" in making arguments for things such as slavery and blood-letting, thereby making "history" in and of itself not very strong support for an arguement.
Do you have anything better in making an argument for trophy hunting other than "history" then?
why do you have a problem with legal trophy hunting better question
just saying people look at what you support before you judge someone who might
trophy hunt legally and make use of the meat hide and honor the animal
with display.[/quote]
You're derailing and your last statement is ludicrous. As is this statement: "man you are a meat eater and kill chickens pigs and steer when you are in the mood to."
On that list on Treehugger that you linked, I am guilty of 2 and 3: bike/car tires and glue for instruments. My girlfriend and I have one car and I have one bike. I always read labels and don't touch anything that uses any animal by-products.
Many people have stated many times that its not about that. I personally wouldn't hunt, I just don't find killing things enjoyable.
Most here have stated they don't have a problem with hunters that eat what they kill, we have a problem with trophy hunters, and hunters that work outside the laws put in place to protect animals.
It's been said over and over and over again. If the two of choose not to read the entire thread, that's on you guys. But your asking questions again and again that have been answered again and again, and well....that's just fucking annoying.
Please read the thread, the entire thread if you truly wish to engage in any meaningful debate on the subject.
:thumbup:
Or, just start a new thread about the hypocrisy of animal lovers who enjoy a burger once in a while.
sure cause it makes the hypocrisy here disappear
its part of the topic no one has a case against legal trophy hunting
if they kill to eat and use product made from animals
simple
Many people have stated many times that its not about that. I personally wouldn't hunt, I just don't find killing things enjoyable.
Most here have stated they don't have a problem with hunters that eat what they kill, we have a problem with trophy hunters, and hunters that work outside the laws put in place to protect animals.
It's been said over and over and over again. If the two of choose not to read the entire thread, that's on you guys. But your asking questions again and again that have been answered again and again, and well....that's just fucking annoying.
Please read the thread, the entire thread if you truly wish to engage in any meaningful debate on the subject.
:thumbup:
Or, just start a new thread about the hypocrisy of animal lovers who enjoy a burger once in a while.
sure cause it makes the hypocrisy here disappear
its part of the topic no one has a case against legal trophy hunting
if they kill to eat and use product made from animals
simple
You are making a foolish connection. I'll wait for you to figure it out on your own. You can do it. I have faith in you.
You're derailing and your last statement is ludicrous. As is this statement: "man you are a meat eater and kill chickens pigs and steer when you are in the mood to."
On that list on Treehugger that you linked, I am guilty of 2 and 3: bike/car tires and glue for instruments. My girlfriend and I have one car and I have one bike. I always read labels and don't touch anything that uses any animal by-products.
trophy hunting is the killing of animals so is what you do when you eat meat
drive your car and use your glue so you have no case against legal trophy hunting
its just not for you
just curious..how can you guy's talk all this animal love and claim to have the animals best interest in heart
then kick off yer leather shoes remove yer learther belt and then enjoy a big fat farm fed turkey and a big fat farm fed ham on thanksgiving ? :fp:
Godfather.
no replies yeah
pure hypocrisy to eat meat, wear leather, the ladies carry leather then act all noble like they can't kill a thing
Ted's honest about who he is
No replies because it has been discussed already and, as gimme mentioned, I guess one doesn't feel like retyping. Maybe.
exactly...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
You're right, It is true that history holds "noble men of character with the heads of wild beasts on their walls."
But then again, you can also validly use "history" in making arguments for things such as slavery and blood-letting, thereby making "history" in and of itself not very strong support for an arguement.
Do you have anything better in making an argument for trophy hunting other than "history" then?
why do you have a problem with legal trophy hunting better question
So, now can you answer my question?
.. Besides "history"or "Teddy says its ok", what are YOUR arguments in support of "trophy hunting"?
I really would like to hear.
I would also like to separately debate about animals killed for food and keep this particular debate having to do with trophy hunting only, if we could.
You're right, It is true that history holds "noble men of character with the heads of wild beasts on their walls."
But then again, you can also validly use "history" in making arguments for things such as slavery and blood-letting, thereby making "history" in and of itself not very strong support for an arguement.
Do you have anything better in making an argument for trophy hunting other than "history" then?
why do you have a problem with legal trophy hunting better question
So, now can you answer my question?
.. Besides "history"or "Teddy says its ok", what are YOUR arguments in support of "trophy hunting"?
I really would like to hear.
I would also like to separately debate about animals killed for food and keep this particular debate having to do with trophy hunting only, if we could.
do you have another name cause that link no rollings there
I can't think of a bigger mockery to God, than hanging one of His beautiful creation's HEAD on my wall.
Think about it. We don't own animals. Who in the world do we think we are?
Hanging a HEAD on a WALL...isn't that the utmost form of disrespect available? to the animal and to God?
You see, the human race,, the most "intelligent" and the most "evolved" species are so smart we are stupid.
Anyone who choses to exercise their "free will" by hanging a head on a wall shows just what kind of person they are, whether it's a legal crime or not, it's a crime against God and against nature and against beauty and against what is GOOD.
And as far as using animals for food...Animals HAVE been part of the food chain since day whatever. The most important thing I feel is a humane life and a humane death for animals that are raised for food. (Temple Grandin has done alot towards the humane treatment of cattle both in life, death, and even on their way to death)
I feel my part in this battle is to begin investigation on what needs to be done or who needs to be contacted so that the word "humane" can be changed to something more fitting. if "humane" is a derivative of the word "human", I believe the way humans have been treating animals would leave the word "humane" to be something most undesirable.
I think that photography or a beatiful painting of an animal on a wall is a much "nobler" way of honoring that animal ...and that the physical head is instead just a way for the hunter to honor himself, not the animal
I can't think of a bigger mockery to God, than hanging one of His beautiful creation's HEAD on my wall.
Think about it. We don't own animals. Who in the world do we think we are?
Hanging a HEAD on a WALL...isn't that the utmost form of disrespect available? to the animal and to God?
You see, the human race,, the most "intelligent" and the most "evolved" species are so smart we are stupid.
Anyone who choses to exercise their "free will" by hanging a head on a wall shows just what kind of person they are, whether it's a legal crime or not, it's a crime against God and against nature and against beauty and against what is GOOD.
And as far as using animals for food...Animals HAVE been part of the food chain since day whatever. The most important thing I feel is a humane life and a humane death for animals that are raised for food. (Temple Grandin has done alot towards the humane treatment of cattle both in life, death, and even on their way to death)
I feel my part in this battle is to begin investigation on what needs to be done or who needs to be contacted so that the word "humane" can be changed to something more fitting. if "humane" is a derivative of the word "human", I believe the way humans have been treating animals would leave the word "humane" to be something most undesirable.
you are emotional dramatic your words opinion of a non hunter
not wrong different than mine
I have no problem with legal trophy hunting period I have no problem with Ted he is doing his thing and better stay within the law
I dig his music and laugh at his jokes his guitar smokes
time for lunch I am feeling exotic today shark I think and if I caught it it would be on my wall
not for my ego but cause it is beautiful like a painting but better
maybe someone will have a burger and chicken wing picture on their wall
say bye to the trophy hunter
refresh my memory....why ?
killing is killing right ? be it man or animal if Ted kills and grills a ..big cat whats the differance between killing a ...big cat or big cow ? maybe you just wouldn't hang a cow head on your wall but I bet there are long horns all over the US, like I said earlier I wouldn't hunt to eat right now but if it came down to survival I'd kill a big cat or a big rhino in a heart beat, I've hunted many years when I was a little younger we had venisson in the freezer every year and we raised pig's and cows for butcher and had chickens for egg's...you ever see what a hog can do to a man or for that matter another hog ?..it ain't pretty all they need is to see or smell blood and it's on, and chickens them little shits can be pretty mean also...you think if animals had better brain power and fingers and thunmbs they would hunt and kill people ? wait some do...don't they so maybe it's a deal where the strong survive...and Rolling I'm not to sure but I think the Bible says man was given all the beasts of the land to rule over and use for food..I think..I'll have to check.
you are emotional dramatic your words opinion of a non hunter
not wrong different than mine
I have no problem with legal trophy hunting period I have no problem with Ted he is doing his thing and better stay within the law
I dig his music and laugh at his jokes his guitar smokes
time for lunch I am feeling exotic today shark I think and if I caught it it would be on my wall
not for my ego but cause it is beautiful like a painting but better
maybe someone will have a burger and chicken wing picture on their wall
say bye to the trophy hunter
So when it comes down to it...
Your arguments offered up in support of trophy hunting are not very compelling, I must say.
Thank you Godfather. This is the last paragraph from your link, which was very short and to the point, like you said.
When killing animals, one must carefully discern the purpose and attitude. Is it truly for food? Or is it more for the sport or trophy? Keep in mind that animals are, after all, part of God’s creation and, as such, should be treated with a certain amount of respect.
Fantastically said Rollings, though not a God person, I will read 'humanity' instead of God (no disrespect intended - I hope non taken).
Right, it is the same thing....humanity, animality, spirituality, the beauty and the splendor of the earth, ....and that's not even mentioning all of the universe.....all the stuff we DON'T know about
We are all humans and we all fall.....none of us are perfect in living a life that is perfectly right and respecting what is sacred and good.
It is one thing to make a mistake, but quite another to so actively, purposefully, and especailly--grandiosely--disrespect the above ( "humanity, animality, spirituality, the beauty and the splendor of the earth, ....and that's not even mentioning all of the universe.....all the stuff we DON'T know about")
frickin nice writing out your feelings on that. that is beautifully done.
When killing animals, one must carefully discern the purpose and attitude. Is it truly for food? Or is it more for the sport or trophy? Keep in mind that animals are, after all, part of God’s creation and, as such, should be treated with a certain amount of respect.
So, to apply the above reference to this thread--I mean ted--it is not hard to ascertain that the killing of animals for food is acceptable but that killing for sport or trophy is wrong.
I agree. Animals are part of the food chain. Even the animals know that. Ask the honey badger..he don't give a shit.
But to kill just to be able to show off what you "did". That's just wrong.
Few people ok that is all you need to make a general statement like that.
Look at the history man. The other Teddy might have a good laugh at the narrow
minded arrogance right there.
Thank you Godfather. This is the last paragraph from your link, which was very short and to the point, like you said.
When killing animals, one must carefully discern the purpose and attitude. Is it truly for food? Or is it more for the sport or trophy? Keep in mind that animals are, after all, part of God’s creation and, as such, should be treated with a certain amount of respect.
I totally agree with this. Do you?
......ye.....yes !!!!!! but I'm still a Nuge fan like I have said I personally could not hunt for the thrill of it it just seems ...wrong...man did I just post that ???? :shock: but to survive I could very easely hunt and kill an amimal, I can not judge Ted for his hunting,Lord knows that there are thing's I have done that I can be judged for or will be judged for..come to think of it I'll bet all of us have.. is there such thing as one sin worse than the next ?
......ye.....yes !!!!!! but I'm still a Nuge fan like I have said I personally could not hunt for the thrill of it it just seems ...wrong...man did I just post that ???? :shock: but to survive I could very easely hunt and kill an amimal,
As most here would - survival is a strong instinct. Even a couple of my vegetarian friends would - if they get desperate and if there was no other option.
but ted aint starving yet murders giraffe 14,000 miles away. i don't get it. ted, you hungry, man?
godfather, anyone starving would most likely kill to eat. a multimillionaire canned hunting is not starving nor not raping the earth nor molesting wildlife
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Many people have stated many times that its not about that. I personally wouldn't hunt, I just don't find killing things enjoyable.
Most here have stated they don't have a problem with hunters that eat what they kill, we have a problem with trophy hunters, and hunters that work outside the laws put in place to protect animals.
It's been said over and over and over again. If the two of choose not to read the entire thread, that's on you guys. But your asking questions again and again that have been answered again and again, and well....that's just fucking annoying.
Please read the thread, the entire thread if you truly wish to engage in any meaningful debate on the subject.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
Good points. It just comes down to my personal preference concerning leather.
:thumbup:
Or, just start a new thread about the hypocrisy of animal lovers who enjoy a burger once in a while.
man you are a meat eater and kill chickens pigs and steer when you are in the mood to
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/9- ... ients.html
use any of these?
just saying people look at what you support before you judge someone who might
trophy hunt legally and make use of the meat hide and honor the animal
with display.
You're right, It is true that history holds "noble men of character with the heads of wild beasts on their walls."
But then again, you can also validly use "history" in making arguments for things such as slavery and blood-letting, thereby making "history" in and of itself not very strong support for an arguement.
Do you have anything better in making an argument for trophy hunting other than "history" then?
you kill eat meat and find fault with someone who trophy hunts legally
why
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/9- ... ients.html
use any of these?
just saying people look at what you support before you judge someone who might
trophy hunt legally and make use of the meat hide and honor the animal
with display.[/quote]
You're derailing and your last statement is ludicrous. As is this statement: "man you are a meat eater and kill chickens pigs and steer when you are in the mood to."
On that list on Treehugger that you linked, I am guilty of 2 and 3: bike/car tires and glue for instruments. My girlfriend and I have one car and I have one bike. I always read labels and don't touch anything that uses any animal by-products.
its part of the topic no one has a case against legal trophy hunting
if they kill to eat and use product made from animals
simple
You are making a foolish connection. I'll wait for you to figure it out on your own. You can do it. I have faith in you.
drive your car and use your glue so you have no case against legal trophy hunting
its just not for you
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I did answer this at my post at 11:04 a.m. EDT
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=187740&start=45#p4381587
So, now can you answer my question?
.. Besides "history"or "Teddy says its ok", what are YOUR arguments in support of "trophy hunting"?
I really would like to hear.
I would also like to separately debate about animals killed for food and keep this particular debate having to do with trophy hunting only, if we could.
not wrong different than mine
I have no problem with legal trophy hunting period I have no problem with Ted he is doing his thing and better stay within the law
I dig his music and laugh at his jokes his guitar smokes
time for lunch I am feeling exotic today shark I think and if I caught it it would be on my wall
not for my ego but cause it is beautiful like a painting but better
maybe someone will have a burger and chicken wing picture on their wall
say bye to the trophy hunter
killing is killing right ? be it man or animal if Ted kills and grills a ..big cat whats the differance between killing a ...big cat or big cow ? maybe you just wouldn't hang a cow head on your wall but I bet there are long horns all over the US, like I said earlier I wouldn't hunt to eat right now but if it came down to survival I'd kill a big cat or a big rhino in a heart beat, I've hunted many years when I was a little younger we had venisson in the freezer every year and we raised pig's and cows for butcher and had chickens for egg's...you ever see what a hog can do to a man or for that matter another hog ?..it ain't pretty all they need is to see or smell blood and it's on, and chickens them little shits can be pretty mean also...you think if animals had better brain power and fingers and thunmbs they would hunt and kill people ? wait some do...don't they
Godfather.
Yes I am. Why would I continue to debate with someone who compares me to a trophy hunter who slaughters animals?
it's like Hitchens or Dawkins debating someone who says that they have met "God." The debate will go nowhere.
http://rcg.org/questions/p051.a.html
pretty cool read and it's short.
Godfather.
So when it comes down to it...
Your arguments offered up in support of trophy hunting are not very compelling, I must say.
Genesis 1:26.
The Bible doesn't mean anything to me though, and to many others for that matter. Not the best source to use.
Thank you Godfather. This is the last paragraph from your link, which was very short and to the point, like you said.
When killing animals, one must carefully discern the purpose and attitude. Is it truly for food? Or is it more for the sport or trophy? Keep in mind that animals are, after all, part of God’s creation and, as such, should be treated with a certain amount of respect.
I totally agree with this. Do you?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
When killing animals, one must carefully discern the purpose and attitude. Is it truly for food? Or is it more for the sport or trophy? Keep in mind that animals are, after all, part of God’s creation and, as such, should be treated with a certain amount of respect.
So, to apply the above reference to this thread--I mean ted--it is not hard to ascertain that the killing of animals for food is acceptable but that killing for sport or trophy is wrong.
I agree. Animals are part of the food chain. Even the animals know that. Ask the honey badger..he don't give a shit.
But to kill just to be able to show off what you "did". That's just wrong.
buffalo bill cody
1867 - 1868 he murdered 4,280
listen (and watch) for chief sitting bull's 1877 quote at the 9:50
in one fucking year he shot and killed for no reason other than the government taking over this great land and the removal of indians.
on average cody murdered 11.7 buffalo daily . that is raping mother earth to the highest order and pile of shit the word dispicable has to offer.
priror to 1870
50 million buffalo roamed the plains of the west
by 1888 only about 1000 buffalo remained
nice going bill cody
this is how nugent is
he kills everything and has no give a fuck
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Godfather.
As most here would - survival is a strong instinct. Even a couple of my vegetarian friends would - if they get desperate and if there was no other option.
godfather, anyone starving would most likely kill to eat. a multimillionaire canned hunting is not starving nor not raping the earth nor molesting wildlife
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce