Trayvon Martin

AllNiteThing · April 2012

Godfather. wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

you haven't got any idea do you, you never know who your dealing with and these days kid's with guns or knives are not uncommon in some areas so really it's best to be careful.
and I think your post is just a little too judgemental.

Godfather.

That's exactly why Zimmerman should've stayed in his car. His gun gave him power. Without it, i'm sure he would've stayed in the safety of his automobile, and Treyvon wouldnt have been killed dead.

and maybe Trayvon should not cut thru a neighborhood where he did not live if you look at it as you posted it.

Godfather.

I love how you people are actually trying to justify an unprovoked homicide. Unreal.

shadowcast · April 2012

mikepegg44 wrote:

puremagic wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

+1 :thumbup:

Godfather.

I’d go with that statement if I got into an argument outside a game, concert or bar. HOWEVER, that statement makes no goddamn sense if you are being followed by an unknown person in a vehicle, then on foot by the same unknown person.

my muay thai instructor told me something I will always remember...When asked what the best self defense technique was he thought for a second and said the 400 meter dash. Trayvon could have ran away instead of being involved in a confrontation, if Zimmerman shot him in the back while Trayvon was running away this conversation would be infinitely different.
If, instead of shooting the kid, Zimmerman ran when he felt threatened we wouldn't even be having a discussion at all.

Bad decisions everywhere, and unfortunately we don't know a lot of things and people continue to assume motivations and actions of the people involved.

Hopefully the truth comes out someday

I agree with this. I think Trayvon tried to punk a cop want to be. Trayvon started beating the shit out of him. Zimmerman pulls out the gun to defend himself and kills him.

Side note: don't you think the special prosecutor would have charges by now? I mean why is she setting up a press conference within 72 hours? I find this odd.

Godfather. · April 2012

AllNightThing, o.k buddy you'll have to correct my gramer and spelling for me here-your such a smart and groovy guy :thumbup:

Godfather. » 11 Apr 2012 03:30

here on the train we tend to pass judgement based on information we get from the media...the same media we claim to have no trust in such as NBC and others,were any of us there to see what did happen ? is there any solid evidense to prove racism ?..a young man is dead and another is in hiding for fear of his life and just because the young man was killed at an early age does not mean that zimmerman is guilty of murder and that Trayvon did not attack him, we don't know one way or the other.....do we.

Godfather.

mikepegg44 · April 2012

shadowcast wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

puremagic wrote:

I’d go with that statement if I got into an argument outside a game, concert or bar. HOWEVER, that statement makes no goddamn sense if you are being followed by an unknown person in a vehicle, then on foot by the same unknown person.

my muay thai instructor told me something I will always remember...When asked what the best self defense technique was he thought for a second and said the 400 meter dash. Trayvon could have ran away instead of being involved in a confrontation, if Zimmerman shot him in the back while Trayvon was running away this conversation would be infinitely different.
If, instead of shooting the kid, Zimmerman ran when he felt threatened we wouldn't even be having a discussion at all.

Bad decisions everywhere, and unfortunately we don't know a lot of things and people continue to assume motivations and actions of the people involved.

Hopefully the truth comes out someday

I agree with this. I think Trayvon tried to punk a cop want to be. Trayvon started beating the shit out of him. Zimmerman pulls out the gun to defend himself and kills him.

Side note: don't you think the special prosecutor would have charges by now? I mean why is she setting up a press conference within 72 hours? I find this odd.

waiting for test results?

shadowcast · April 2012

Do you think this press conference for Friday is a good thing for Zimmerman? Maybe they have the voice recognition of the guy screaming is Zimmerman.

usamamasan1 · April 2012

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

it is quite possible that zimmerman without the gun looks and acts like this:

and the gun turned him into this:

I am pleased to see you are catching on. Guns are a great equalizer. One of the reasons why every law abiding citizen should be able to carry if they so desire.

Physical strength should not dictate how one can act with others. If Mr. Herman was carrying, Mr. Hogan would have to talk it out instead of breaking his nose and bashing his head on the concrete. If Mr. Hogan didn't know better (that Mr. Herman was carrying) or chose not to consider the consequences, and he still assaults Mr Herman, he does so at his own peril.

Having a CCW keeps the thugs guessing. I like that.

You see this? Looks like a lot of people after a Pearl Jam show (the the guy in the Mt. Dew shirt). The thuggery is crazy. If Mt Dew shirt guy was not intoxicated and could carry in this case, he too should stand his ground.

warning, video of attack attached.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/ass ... ing-879234

woot

PJ_Soul · April 2012

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

you haven't got any idea do you, you never know who your dealing with and these days kid's with guns or knives are not uncommon in some areas so really it's best to be careful.
and I think your post is just a little too judgemental.

Godfather.

That's exactly why Zimmerman should've stayed in his car. His gun gave him power. Without it, i'm sure he would've stayed in the safety of his automobile, and Treyvon wouldnt have been killed dead.

Neighborhood watch should not be packing at all. So irresponsible and dangerous.

Jason P · April 2012

AG Eric Holder now claims he will step in to potentially prosecute this as a civil rights case if Florida doesn't.

http://news.yahoo.com/ag-vows-thorough-review-trayvon-martin-case-134923315.html

JonnyPistachio · April 2012

usamamasan1 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

it is quite possible that zimmerman without the gun looks and acts like this:

and the gun turned him into this:

I am pleased to see you are catching on. Guns are a great equalizer. One of the reasons why every law abiding citizen should be able to carry if they so desire.

Physical strength should not dictate how one can act with others. If Mr. Herman was carrying, Mr. Hogan would have to talk it out instead of breaking his nose and bashing his head on the concrete. If Mr. Hogan didn't know better (that Mr. Herman was carrying) or chose not to consider the consequences, and he still assaults Mr Herman, he does so at his own peril.

Having a CCW keeps the thugs guessing. I like that.

You see this? Looks like a lot of people after a Pearl Jam show (the the guy in the Mt. Dew shirt). The thuggery is crazy. If Mt Dew shirt guy was not intoxicated and could carry in this case, he too should stand his ground.

warning, video of attack attached.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/ass ... ing-879234

woot

In simple cases yes, but it seems as though you've missed the point about Zimmerman.
Think about it? What was Zimmerman even trying to accomplish? Making his neighborhood safer from a skittle attack? Even had he not killed someone, what would he have accomplished?

Monster Rain · April 2012

Jason P wrote:

AG Eric Holder now claims he will step in to potentially prosecute this as a civil rights case if Florida doesn't.

http://news.yahoo.com/ag-vows-thorough-review-trayvon-martin-case-134923315.html

Of course he will. It's so clearly a hate crime based on his honest answering of a police dispatcher's question and his under-his-breath complaint about the cold weather that night.

PJ_Soul · April 2012

Monster Rain wrote:

Jason P wrote:

AG Eric Holder now claims he will step in to potentially prosecute this as a civil rights case if Florida doesn't.

http://news.yahoo.com/ag-vows-thorough-review-trayvon-martin-case-134923315.html

Of course he will. It's so clearly a hate crime based on his honest answering of a police dispatcher's question and his under-his-breath complaint about the cold weather that night.

A civil rights case doesn't equal hate crime... I would think that the main issue would be that Zimmerman seems to have been harassing Martin by stalking him with a gun against the direct advice of police, and then shot him (possibly when Martin confronted him about being followed home at gun point?).

keeponrockin · April 2012

usamamasan1 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

it is quite possible that zimmerman without the gun looks and acts like this:

and the gun turned him into this:

I am pleased to see you are catching on. Guns are a great equalizer. One of the reasons why every law abiding citizen should be able to carry if they so desire.

Physical strength should not dictate how one can act with others. If Mr. Herman was carrying, Mr. Hogan would have to talk it out instead of breaking his nose and bashing his head on the concrete. If Mr. Hogan didn't know better (that Mr. Herman was carrying) or chose not to consider the consequences, and he still assaults Mr Herman, he does so at his own peril.

Having a CCW keeps the thugs guessing. I like that.

You see this? Looks like a lot of people after a Pearl Jam show (the the guy in the Mt. Dew shirt). The thuggery is crazy. If Mt Dew shirt guy was not intoxicated and could carry in this case, he too should stand his ground.

warning, video of attack attached.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/ass ... ing-879234

woot

Aren't guns also a great 'de-equalizer'?

AllNiteThing · April 2012

usamamasan1 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

it is quite possible that zimmerman without the gun looks and acts like this:

and the gun turned him into this:

I am pleased to see you are catching on. Guns are a great equalizer. One of the reasons why every law abiding citizen should be able to carry if they so desire.

Physical strength should not dictate how one can act with others. If Mr. Herman was carrying, Mr. Hogan would have to talk it out instead of breaking his nose and bashing his head on the concrete. If Mr. Hogan didn't know better (that Mr. Herman was carrying) or chose not to consider the consequences, and he still assaults Mr Herman, he does so at his own peril.

Having a CCW keeps the thugs guessing. I like that.

You see this? Looks like a lot of people after a Pearl Jam show (the the guy in the Mt. Dew shirt). The thuggery is crazy. If Mt Dew shirt guy was not intoxicated and could carry in this case, he too should stand his ground.

warning, video of attack attached.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/ass ... ing-879234

woot

You would relish a society where everyone is packing heat? Really? That's kind of disturbing. :shock:

Edit: Maybe Mr. Herman could learn some karate or lift some weight or stand up for himself. You know, be a man. Carrying a gun and being paranoid is cowardice and can say a lot about one's character. I'm sorry, but fighting someone with your fists is a completely different universe from pulling a gun on someone. Knocking someone out with a left hook is infinitely less devastating than firing a gun at point blank range. Not to mention, you can run away from someone's fists a lot better than you can a bullet.

Godfather. · April 2012

PJ_Soul wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Jason P wrote:

AG Eric Holder now claims he will step in to potentially prosecute this as a civil rights case if Florida doesn't.

http://news.yahoo.com/ag-vows-thorough-review-trayvon-martin-case-134923315.html

Of course he will. It's so clearly a hate crime based on his honest answering of a police dispatcher's question and his under-his-breath complaint about the cold weather that night.

A civil rights case doesn't equal hate crime... I would think that the main issue would be that Zimmerman seems to have been harassing Martin by stalking him with a gun against the direct advice of police, and then shot him (possibly when Martin confronted him about being followed home at gun point?).

(possibly when Martin confronted him about being followed home at gun point?).

hay buddy why are you pointing a gun at me and following me ?

talk about stupid..bring a bag of skittles and a some ice tea to a gun fight ?

I bet it went down a lot different than the media and popular opinion say it did,as someone on here already stated "lets wait and see.

Godfather.

PJ_Soul · April 2012

Godfather. wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Of course he will. It's so clearly a hate crime based on his honest answering of a police dispatcher's question and his under-his-breath complaint about the cold weather that night.

A civil rights case doesn't equal hate crime... I would think that the main issue would be that Zimmerman seems to have been harassing Martin by stalking him with a gun against the direct advice of police, and then shot him (possibly when Martin confronted him about being followed home at gun point?).

(possibly when Martin confronted him about being followed home at gun point?). hay buddy why are you pointing a gun at me and following me ? talk about stupid..bring a bag of skittles and a some ice tea to a gun fight ? I bet it went down a lot different than the media and popular opinion say it did,as someone on here already stated "lets wait and see.

Godfather.

That's really not the point. The point is Zimmerman shouldn't have been stalking Trayvon with a gun against advice of police.

AllNiteThing · April 2012

shadowcast wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

puremagic wrote:

I’d go with that statement if I got into an argument outside a game, concert or bar. HOWEVER, that statement makes no goddamn sense if you are being followed by an unknown person in a vehicle, then on foot by the same unknown person.

my muay thai instructor told me something I will always remember...When asked what the best self defense technique was he thought for a second and said the 400 meter dash. Trayvon could have ran away instead of being involved in a confrontation, if Zimmerman shot him in the back while Trayvon was running away this conversation would be infinitely different.
If, instead of shooting the kid, Zimmerman ran when he felt threatened we wouldn't even be having a discussion at all.

Bad decisions everywhere, and unfortunately we don't know a lot of things and people continue to assume motivations and actions of the people involved.

Hopefully the truth comes out someday

I agree with this. I think Trayvon tried to punk a cop want to be. Trayvon started beating the shit out of him. Zimmerman pulls out the gun to defend himself and kills him.

Side note: don't you think the special prosecutor would have charges by now? I mean why is she setting up a press conference within 72 hours? I find this odd.

We don't know and the media shouldn't be running the trial. Zimmerman needs to be arrested and charged with something. Involuntary manslaughter, murder, whatever. Let the legal system play out. It amazes me that someone can be free after killing someone with a gun and not at least go to trial. Whether he's guilty of wrongdoing or not isn't up to us and the media to decide. It's up to a court.

PJ_Soul · April 2012

AllNiteThing wrote:

shadowcast wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

my muay thai instructor told me something I will always remember...When asked what the best self defense technique was he thought for a second and said the 400 meter dash. Trayvon could have ran away instead of being involved in a confrontation, if Zimmerman shot him in the back while Trayvon was running away this conversation would be infinitely different.
If, instead of shooting the kid, Zimmerman ran when he felt threatened we wouldn't even be having a discussion at all.

Bad decisions everywhere, and unfortunately we don't know a lot of things and people continue to assume motivations and actions of the people involved.

Hopefully the truth comes out someday

I agree with this. I think Trayvon tried to punk a cop want to be. Trayvon started beating the shit out of him. Zimmerman pulls out the gun to defend himself and kills him.

Side note: don't you think the special prosecutor would have charges by now? I mean why is she setting up a press conference within 72 hours? I find this odd.

We don't know and the media shouldn't be running the trial. Zimmerman needs to be arrested and charged with something. Involuntary manslaughter, murder, whatever. Let the legal system play out. It amazes me that someone can be free after killing someone with a gun and not at least go to trial. Whether he's guilty of wrongdoing or not isn't up to us and the media to decide. It's up to a court.

Well I can't quite agree with this. In clear cases of self-defense where someone killed someone else with a gun, they should not have to go to trial. It's just that in this case it is NOT a clear case of self-defense (plus that stand your ground law is RIDICULOUS, but even so, I don't called following someone around with a gun without even being threatened falls under standing your ground anyway).

Monster Rain · April 2012

PJ_Soul wrote:

That's really not the point. The point is Zimmerman shouldn't have been stalking Trayvon with a gun against advice of police.

I'm still waiting for anyone to show me any evidence that Zimmerman kept following Martin after the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that," and Zimmerman replied, "Ok." You might think he may have kept following him, but that's just a guess at best. Stating it as if it's a known fact is irresponsible until there is actual proof that it happened.

PJ_Soul · April 2012

Monster Rain wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

That's really not the point. The point is Zimmerman shouldn't have been stalking Trayvon with a gun against advice of police.

I'm still waiting for anyone to show me any evidence that Zimmerman kept following Martin after the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that," and Zimmerman replied, "Ok." You might think he may have kept following him, but that's just a guess at best. Stating it as if it's a known fact is irresponsible until there is actual proof that it happened.

Well since what I think has no impact at all on the case or anyone involved, I don't see what's irresponsible about it.

Hey, I don't even think he should have been out there with a gun at all, and that THAT is what's irresponsible and what lead to this whole thing, so...

AllNiteThing · April 2012

PJ_Soul wrote:

AllNiteThing wrote:

shadowcast wrote:

I agree with this. I think Trayvon tried to punk a cop want to be. Trayvon started beating the shit out of him. Zimmerman pulls out the gun to defend himself and kills him.

Side note: don't you think the special prosecutor would have charges by now? I mean why is she setting up a press conference within 72 hours? I find this odd.

We don't know and the media shouldn't be running the trial. Zimmerman needs to be arrested and charged with something. Involuntary manslaughter, murder, whatever. Let the legal system play out. It amazes me that someone can be free after killing someone with a gun and not at least go to trial. Whether he's guilty of wrongdoing or not isn't up to us and the media to decide. It's up to a court.

Well I can't quite agree with this. In clear cases of self-defense where someone killed someone else with a gun, they should not have to go to trial. It's just that in this case it is NOT a clear case of self-defense (plus that stand your ground law is RIDICULOUS, but even so, I don't called following someone around with a gun without even being threatened falls under standing your ground anyway).

Aside from killing an intrude in your home, I would think nearly all cases should go through a court of law. Even an intruder in your home, someone could fabricate a story and who is it that makes the judgment call? Some cops? When it involves the death of another human, I don't think we can afford to make discretionary judgment calls at the scene like that.

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