His scraped knuckles only present SUPERFICIAL "evidence" to support the "defense".
You would have to completely toss out \ disregard the FACT that Zimmerman states on his conversation with the police that he is "following" Trayvon, and then further ignore what sounds fairly clearly like Zimmerman "huffing and puffing" (ie. chasing, or running after) in pursuit of Trayvon.
Given the PROOF that the tapes offer of Zimmerman following Trayvon,
I don't know how you arrive at the ultimate conclusion of "self defense" for Zimmerman, while completely ignoring the fact that Zimmerman was chasing after Trayvon ... and we will never really know if he had his GUN OUT while doing so.
Question:
If someone you didn't know (someone whose physical stature was significantly greater than yours) was chasing after you down a dimly lit street at night, and they caught up to you without announcing their intentions, but you were clearly aware that they were chasing you down ... would you not turn the fuck around and punch them in the fucking face?
THIS
(what TRAYVON did)
is called
SELF DEFENSE.
???
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Following isn't again't the law... Nor is it grounds to attack someone.
Oh, it's not grounds to attack someone?
You don't think Trayvon would have had a case under "Stand Your Ground" if he had happened to have a gun on him?
"Yeah, this big 250lb dude was chasing me down a street for no apparent reason, and ran up behind me shouting ... it looked like his hand was in his pocket or at a holster, i couldn't tell it was dark, but i thought i saw a gun ... so i shot him."
Instead, what really happened ...
"Yeah, this big 250lb dude was chasing me down a street for no apparent reason, and ran up behind me shouting ... it looked like his hand was in his pocket or at a holster, i couldn't tell it was dark, but i thought i saw a gun ... so i PUNCHED him."
You don't think that description of events is grounds for "attacking" someone?
People who think this kid with skittles and tea actually attacked Zimmerman unprovoked are ignoring the most obvious facets of this case: Zimmerman's previously demonstrated "unstable" history, his 40-some-odd false calls to police, and the FACT that he tells 911 operators he is in pursuit of Trayvon ... all this alone should be enough to tell you what "really" happened. This idiot-avenger chased down a poor kid who was brave\scared enough to swing\fight back, then had a gun shoved in his face for it, whom you can then hear clearly screaming bloody-murder for his life on a neighbor's 911 call, and then just eerie sad silence.
Yeah.
Zimmerman was attacked "unprovoked" and he did the right thing.
He stood his ground. I mean he stood on steadily advancing ground.
I mean, .... oh fuck it ...
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
His scraped knuckles only present SUPERFICIAL "evidence" to support the "defense".
You would have to completely toss out \ disregard the FACT that Zimmerman states on his conversation with the police that he is "following" Trayvon, and then further ignore what sounds fairly clearly like Zimmerman "huffing and puffing" (ie. chasing, or running after) in pursuit of Trayvon.
Given the PROOF that the tapes offer of Zimmerman following Trayvon,
I don't know how you arrive at the ultimate conclusion of "self defense" for Zimmerman, while completely ignoring the fact that Zimmerman was chasing after Trayvon ... and we will never really know if he had his GUN OUT while doing so.
Question:
If someone you didn't know (someone whose physical stature was significantly greater than yours) was chasing after you down a dimly lit street at night, and they caught up to you without announcing their intentions, but you were clearly aware that they were chasing you down ... would you not turn the fuck around and punch them in the fucking face?
THIS
(what TRAYVON did)
is called
SELF DEFENSE.
???
We will see in trial how bad his knuckles were. Yet to be seen. Also, I don’t recall Zimmerman huffing and puffing on the tapes. If you can find audio of that please post it. Also, commenting on your post about Zimmerman’s weight you are ill informed and need to do some more research. Zimmerman 5’8” 170 lbs. Martin 6’0” 160. So toss out your “physical stature” theory .
For the people that are defending Zimmerman: If you could go back in time to the night Treyvon was shot dead, would you not suggest that Zimmerman's actions could've been avoided? Should he have done things differently?
Are you saying he's innocent only by law (were his actions at ALL questionable to you), or do you think what he did was right no matter what the law says?
For the people that are defending Zimmerman: If you could go back in time to the night Treyvon was shot dead, would you not suggest that Zimmerman's actions could've been avoided? Should he have done things differently?
Are you saying he's innocent only by law (were his actions at ALL questionable to you), or do you think what he did was right no matter what the law says?
I think he was wrong for carrying a gun.
This neighborhood had a history of break ins and thefts leading up to this incident. All those who saw people breaking into houses said they were male black. Did he profile yes but that was the description given. We will see in court what the details are because none of us know what really happened. I am still up in the air on this one but I think we should not have a witch hunt. But if he was following him and backed down then martin came circled back and jumped him then he has every right to defend himself.
Trayvon Martin family lawyers: Stop the leaks–release all the records in Zimmerman case
The attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents is calling for all of the documents related to the death of their son be released, rather than what he says are strategic leaks of records intended to benefit the defense of George Zimmerman, who is charged with killing Martin.
Attorney Benjamin Crump said on Wednesday he wants "full transparency" in the case, after several news outlets--including ABC, NBC and CNN -- were given access to a sealed medical examiner's report on Martin.
"It was leaked for a beneficial purpose, certainly to help George Zimmerman's claim of self-defense," Crump said. "This report needs to be vetted with a keen eye."
"You have to look at this in the full context," he continued. "George Zimmerman made the decision to get out of his car, profile Trayvon Martin, pursue Trayvon Martin and confront him."
According to NBC News, the multi-page autopsy says that Martin was "killed by a penetrating gunshot wound to the chest," with the entrance wound "located on his left chest 17 inches below the head. The single bullet passed directly from the front to the back, through his lungs, creating perforations." The only injuries to Martin are from the gunshot and to one knuckle, "a quarter-inch to one-eighth inch abrasion on the fourth finger in the ring area."
The gunshot wound entrance was from a bullet fired from "intermediate range," or two-to-four inches, "a soot ring abrasion and a two-inch by two-inch area of stippling" on his body.
Earlier this week, medical records leaked to ABC News showed Zimmerman likely suffered a broken nose, black eyes and an abrasion on the back of head.
Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said he may seek a dismissal of the second degree murder charges against his client under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law.
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hopefuly this will make the mob stop and think...maybe take off the blinders and SLOW DOWN.
The new medical reports on the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case tell us a lot. And it is not just for what they find, but also what they don’t find.
First, the reports provide striking evidence that Zimmerman did not start the fight with Martin, and that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense. Martin’s injuries were two-fold: broken skin on his knuckles and the fatal gunshot wound.
Zimmerman’s injuries involved: a fractured nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury.
It takes considerable force to break the skin on multiple knuckles. The large range of injuries on Zimmerman indicates that the Martin’s attack was prolonged. But here is what is missing: where are the injuries to Zimmerman’s hands? Where are the bruises on Martin’s face or other parts of his body? The evidence paints a picture where Martin was the only person landing blows. The broken skin on Martin’s knuckles and Zimmerman’s wounds obviously provide some justification for self-defense. But if Zimmerman is to have justifiably used self-defense, he can’t have provoked Martin’s attack.
The affidavit filed by the prosecutor against Zimmerman was extremely weak and had many glaring omissions. It does not answer the most crucial question: Who attacked whom? All it states is: “Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued.” “Confronted” does not mean “provoked” or “assaulted.” It may mean that Zimmerman merely followed Martin and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood.
Surely Zimmerman had the right to investigate a strange person in his neighborhood. But, in any case, Zimmerman simply asking Martin why he was in the neighborhood doesn’t give Martin the right to start striking him or pounding his head into the concrete sidewalk.
Simple words do not justify hitting someone.
Anyway, it appears that Zimmerman didn’t even question Martin. The 911 tape of Zimmerman reporting a strange person in the area indicates that Zimmerman didn’t even try to ask Martin a question.
When the police operator told Zimmerman “we don’t need you to do that [following Martin],” Zimmerman appears to have stopped following Martin and agreed to go to where the police would be arriving.
The medical evidence implies that Zimmerman did not physically attack Martin and thus there was no justification for Martin to start hitting Zimmerman. With the case unraveling, it makes the prosecutor’s behavior look even more outrageous. The prosecutor wasn’t required to go to the grand jury for the indictment, but the fact that she didn’t in such a high-profile case is troubling. Everyone knows how easy it is for a prosecutor to get a grand jury to indict, because only the prosecutor presents evidence and the standard of proof is very low.
A grand-jury indictment would have provided political cover; that charges were brought without one means that the prosecutor was worried that even a grand jury would not give her the indictment.
The Obama administration has been fanning the flames, and it isn’t just President Obama’s attempt to personalize the tragedy.
News reports surfaced Tuesday that the US Justice Department was pushing hard to charge Zimmerman, who is part black himself, with a hate crime because Martin was black. Such a charge can carry a life prison term or even the death penalty.
Yet, Zimmerman and his wife mentored two black children for free.
A recent Reuters report that interviewed Zimmerman’s neighbors found that both black and Hispanics viewed Zimmerman as someone who cared deeply about his neighbors and volunteered to head the community watch to help them. The claim that Zimmerman referred to blacks as “f***ing coons” has long since been dropped.
Using this case for political purposes has already come at a real cost. In Gainesville, Florida; Oak Park, Illinois; Mobile, Alabama; Toledo, Ohio; Grand Rapids, Michigan; and possibly Norfolk, Va., blacks have attacked whites in what they think is revenge for Zimmerman attacking Martin because he was black, and those are just the cases where the perpetrators would make some comment such as“This is for Trayvon.” The media has been partially responsible for this aftermath with its sensational reporting. Recent coverage has helped to balance things out, but responsible reporting requires still more.
Bottom line: the medical reports about George Zimmerman are revealing a lot more information than the media have so far let on.
The dead can’t talk, but I’m trying to figure out why the Special Prosecutor’s office is leaking like a bad garden hose.
For an incident that was basically dismissed and closed the same night it occurred, there sure are a lot of documents and pictures supporting Zimmerman now coming to light. Did someone lose or file or did a file need to be created?
I ‘m just saying the dead can’t talk.
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
Man, sometimes people will do and sell anything to make a buck.
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Key witness in Trayvon Martin shooting changed story
A key witness to the Trayvon Martin shooting changed the story he had given Sanford, Fla., police, telling state authorities he was not sure who was screaming during the altercation with George Zimmerman, NBC Dateline confirmed Friday.
The man known as Witness #6 originally told Sanford police Zimmerman cried for help. The witness stuck to his account that he saw Martin, 17, straddling Zimmerman and pinning him to the ground before Martin was shot.
On March 20, according to the Orlando Sentinel, while sitting for a follow-up interview by a Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigator the witness said that he was no longer sure who was calling for help.
"At first, I thought it was the person on the ground, just because, you know, me thinking rationally, if someone was on top, the person on the bottom would be yelling," he said, according to the Sentinel. "I truly can't tell who, after thinking about it, was yelling for help just because it was so dark out on that sidewalk. You can't see a mouth …"
In those pictures he looks like a guy that got into a fight and was getting his ass kicked. It wasn't life or death. Did he even throw a punch? His hands say probably not. This wasn't a him or me situation. He shot instead of getting the ass kicking he probably deserved.
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"There is no second-degree murder evidence in this case," Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz said. "It's a very close case."
"If there are demonstrations, the finger of responsibility will point directly at the prosecutor," Dershowitz said.
"I'd rather play the defense than the prosecutor, because there's no way you get a murder-two conviction," journalist-attorney Geraldo Rivera said on Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor" last week.
"There is no second-degree murder evidence in this case," Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz said. "It's a very close case."
"If there are demonstrations, the finger of responsibility will point directly at the prosecutor," Dershowitz said.
"I'd rather play the defense than the prosecutor, because there's no way you get a murder-two conviction," journalist-attorney Geraldo Rivera said on Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor" last week.
I don't care much what OJ's lawyer and a moron like Geraldo have to say about this or much else.
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Another witness, who was initially interviewed on March 20, said she saw two people on the ground immediately after the shooting but was not sure who was on top.
But in another interview with investigators six days later, the paper reported, she was sure: It was Zimmerman on top.
A fourth witness also interviewed on the night of the shooting said he heard the shooting, ran outside, and saw Zimmerman standing with "blood on the back of his head." According to "Witness 13," Zimmerman told him that Martin "was beating up on me, so I had to shoot him."
A month later, the same witness described Zimmerman's demeanor: "[It was] not like 'I can't believe I just shot someone!' It was more like, 'Just tell my wife I shot somebody,' like it was nothing."
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I hate the way these articles are written.
His scraped knuckles only present SUPERFICIAL "evidence" to support the "defense".
You would have to completely toss out \ disregard the FACT that Zimmerman states on his conversation with the police that he is "following" Trayvon, and then further ignore what sounds fairly clearly like Zimmerman "huffing and puffing" (ie. chasing, or running after) in pursuit of Trayvon.
Given the PROOF that the tapes offer of Zimmerman following Trayvon,
I don't know how you arrive at the ultimate conclusion of "self defense" for Zimmerman, while completely ignoring the fact that Zimmerman was chasing after Trayvon ... and we will never really know if he had his GUN OUT while doing so.
Question:
If someone you didn't know (someone whose physical stature was significantly greater than yours) was chasing after you down a dimly lit street at night, and they caught up to you without announcing their intentions, but you were clearly aware that they were chasing you down ... would you not turn the fuck around and punch them in the fucking face?
THIS
(what TRAYVON did)
is called
SELF DEFENSE.
???
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Oh, it's not grounds to attack someone?
You don't think Trayvon would have had a case under "Stand Your Ground" if he had happened to have a gun on him?
"Yeah, this big 250lb dude was chasing me down a street for no apparent reason, and ran up behind me shouting ... it looked like his hand was in his pocket or at a holster, i couldn't tell it was dark, but i thought i saw a gun ... so i shot him."
Instead, what really happened ...
"Yeah, this big 250lb dude was chasing me down a street for no apparent reason, and ran up behind me shouting ... it looked like his hand was in his pocket or at a holster, i couldn't tell it was dark, but i thought i saw a gun ... so i PUNCHED him."
You don't think that description of events is grounds for "attacking" someone?
People who think this kid with skittles and tea actually attacked Zimmerman unprovoked are ignoring the most obvious facets of this case: Zimmerman's previously demonstrated "unstable" history, his 40-some-odd false calls to police, and the FACT that he tells 911 operators he is in pursuit of Trayvon ... all this alone should be enough to tell you what "really" happened. This idiot-avenger chased down a poor kid who was brave\scared enough to swing\fight back, then had a gun shoved in his face for it, whom you can then hear clearly screaming bloody-murder for his life on a neighbor's 911 call, and then just eerie sad silence.
Yeah.
Zimmerman was attacked "unprovoked" and he did the right thing.
He stood his ground. I mean he stood on steadily advancing ground.
I mean, .... oh fuck it ...
If I opened it now would you not understand?
http://www.examiner.com/article/george- ... martin-160
Are you saying he's innocent only by law (were his actions at ALL questionable to you), or do you think what he did was right no matter what the law says?
This neighborhood had a history of break ins and thefts leading up to this incident. All those who saw people breaking into houses said they were male black. Did he profile yes but that was the description given. We will see in court what the details are because none of us know what really happened. I am still up in the air on this one but I think we should not have a witch hunt. But if he was following him and backed down then martin came circled back and jumped him then he has every right to defend himself.
http://gawker.com/5910700/stand-your-gr ... ewcomments
Thought this might be an interesting read for some people!
Florida seems kind of fucked up... just me?
The attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents is calling for all of the documents related to the death of their son be released, rather than what he says are strategic leaks of records intended to benefit the defense of George Zimmerman, who is charged with killing Martin.
Attorney Benjamin Crump said on Wednesday he wants "full transparency" in the case, after several news outlets--including ABC, NBC and CNN -- were given access to a sealed medical examiner's report on Martin.
"It was leaked for a beneficial purpose, certainly to help George Zimmerman's claim of self-defense," Crump said. "This report needs to be vetted with a keen eye."
"You have to look at this in the full context," he continued. "George Zimmerman made the decision to get out of his car, profile Trayvon Martin, pursue Trayvon Martin and confront him."
According to NBC News, the multi-page autopsy says that Martin was "killed by a penetrating gunshot wound to the chest," with the entrance wound "located on his left chest 17 inches below the head. The single bullet passed directly from the front to the back, through his lungs, creating perforations." The only injuries to Martin are from the gunshot and to one knuckle, "a quarter-inch to one-eighth inch abrasion on the fourth finger in the ring area."
The gunshot wound entrance was from a bullet fired from "intermediate range," or two-to-four inches, "a soot ring abrasion and a two-inch by two-inch area of stippling" on his body.
Earlier this week, medical records leaked to ABC News showed Zimmerman likely suffered a broken nose, black eyes and an abrasion on the back of head.
Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said he may seek a dismissal of the second degree murder charges against his client under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin ... 7VpoL-Ci2w
The new medical reports on the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case tell us a lot. And it is not just for what they find, but also what they don’t find.
First, the reports provide striking evidence that Zimmerman did not start the fight with Martin, and that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense. Martin’s injuries were two-fold: broken skin on his knuckles and the fatal gunshot wound.
Zimmerman’s injuries involved: a fractured nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury.
It takes considerable force to break the skin on multiple knuckles. The large range of injuries on Zimmerman indicates that the Martin’s attack was prolonged. But here is what is missing: where are the injuries to Zimmerman’s hands? Where are the bruises on Martin’s face or other parts of his body? The evidence paints a picture where Martin was the only person landing blows. The broken skin on Martin’s knuckles and Zimmerman’s wounds obviously provide some justification for self-defense. But if Zimmerman is to have justifiably used self-defense, he can’t have provoked Martin’s attack.
The affidavit filed by the prosecutor against Zimmerman was extremely weak and had many glaring omissions. It does not answer the most crucial question: Who attacked whom? All it states is: “Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued.” “Confronted” does not mean “provoked” or “assaulted.” It may mean that Zimmerman merely followed Martin and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood.
Surely Zimmerman had the right to investigate a strange person in his neighborhood. But, in any case, Zimmerman simply asking Martin why he was in the neighborhood doesn’t give Martin the right to start striking him or pounding his head into the concrete sidewalk.
Simple words do not justify hitting someone.
Anyway, it appears that Zimmerman didn’t even question Martin. The 911 tape of Zimmerman reporting a strange person in the area indicates that Zimmerman didn’t even try to ask Martin a question.
When the police operator told Zimmerman “we don’t need you to do that [following Martin],” Zimmerman appears to have stopped following Martin and agreed to go to where the police would be arriving.
The medical evidence implies that Zimmerman did not physically attack Martin and thus there was no justification for Martin to start hitting Zimmerman.
With the case unraveling, it makes the prosecutor’s behavior look even more outrageous. The prosecutor wasn’t required to go to the grand jury for the indictment, but the fact that she didn’t in such a high-profile case is troubling. Everyone knows how easy it is for a prosecutor to get a grand jury to indict, because only the prosecutor presents evidence and the standard of proof is very low.
A grand-jury indictment would have provided political cover; that charges were brought without one means that the prosecutor was worried that even a grand jury would not give her the indictment.
The Obama administration has been fanning the flames, and it isn’t just President Obama’s attempt to personalize the tragedy.
News reports surfaced Tuesday that the US Justice Department was pushing hard to charge Zimmerman, who is part black himself, with a hate crime because Martin was black. Such a charge can carry a life prison term or even the death penalty.
Yet, Zimmerman and his wife mentored two black children for free.
A recent Reuters report that interviewed Zimmerman’s neighbors found that both black and Hispanics viewed Zimmerman as someone who cared deeply about his neighbors and volunteered to head the community watch to help them. The claim that Zimmerman referred to blacks as “f***ing coons” has long since been dropped.
Using this case for political purposes has already come at a real cost. In Gainesville, Florida; Oak Park, Illinois; Mobile, Alabama; Toledo, Ohio; Grand Rapids, Michigan; and possibly Norfolk, Va., blacks have attacked whites in what they think is revenge for Zimmerman attacking Martin because he was black, and those are just the cases where the perpetrators would make some comment such as “This is for Trayvon.” The media has been partially responsible for this aftermath with its sensational reporting. Recent coverage has helped to balance things out, but responsible reporting requires still more.
Bottom line: the medical reports about George Zimmerman are revealing a lot more information than the media have so far let on.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/05/ ... z1vAX4vn00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvwhGVWA ... re=related
Martin 7-11 video.
For an incident that was basically dismissed and closed the same night it occurred, there sure are a lot of documents and pictures supporting Zimmerman now coming to light. Did someone lose or file or did a file need to be created?
I ‘m just saying the dead can’t talk.
Crime scene photos.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/11/t ... rs.twitter
Man, sometimes people will do and sell anything to make a buck.
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Key witness in Trayvon Martin shooting changed story
A key witness to the Trayvon Martin shooting changed the story he had given Sanford, Fla., police, telling state authorities he was not sure who was screaming during the altercation with George Zimmerman, NBC Dateline confirmed Friday.
The man known as Witness #6 originally told Sanford police Zimmerman cried for help. The witness stuck to his account that he saw Martin, 17, straddling Zimmerman and pinning him to the ground before Martin was shot.
On March 20, according to the Orlando Sentinel, while sitting for a follow-up interview by a Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigator the witness said that he was no longer sure who was calling for help.
"At first, I thought it was the person on the ground, just because, you know, me thinking rationally, if someone was on top, the person on the bottom would be yelling," he said, according to the Sentinel. "I truly can't tell who, after thinking about it, was yelling for help just because it was so dark out on that sidewalk. You can't see a mouth …"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"If there are demonstrations, the finger of responsibility will point directly at the prosecutor," Dershowitz said.
"I'd rather play the defense than the prosecutor, because there's no way you get a murder-two conviction," journalist-attorney Geraldo Rivera said on Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor" last week.
I don't care much what OJ's lawyer and a moron like Geraldo have to say about this or much else.
do you care about evidence?
Yeah, I do. When an unarmed teenager gets shot at close range by an over zealous, paranoid, racist I don't need much more evidence.
His MySpace. The fact he profiled a black kid for no reason.
This sounds pretty racist: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/1 ... 28268.html
Another witness, who was initially interviewed on March 20, said she saw two people on the ground immediately after the shooting but was not sure who was on top.
But in another interview with investigators six days later, the paper reported, she was sure: It was Zimmerman on top.
A fourth witness also interviewed on the night of the shooting said he heard the shooting, ran outside, and saw Zimmerman standing with "blood on the back of his head." According to "Witness 13," Zimmerman told him that Martin "was beating up on me, so I had to shoot him."
A month later, the same witness described Zimmerman's demeanor: "[It was] not like 'I can't believe I just shot someone!' It was more like, 'Just tell my wife I shot somebody,' like it was nothing."
http://usat.ly/KDKaC3
depends who you ask.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/1 ... 28268.html