The Official New York Yankees Thread

Cliffy6745 wrote:

pjl44 wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Heyman is saying that Cleveland is one of the other teams interested in Burnett. The Yankees would do a Burnett/Hafner swap but the Indians may not want to give him up for AJ.

The Angels were looking into a deal, too, but every West Coast team is on AJ's no-trade list because his wife is from Maryland and doesn't like to fly.

No thanks on Hafner. Would rather they roll the dice on Pirates prospects than 80 games of mediocre, immobile production. I haven't heard any names from the Pirates system being floated. Maybe they'll roll the dice on Stetson Allie?

Pirates are no names. Two non 40 man roster prospects described as "meh". Yanks aren't getting anything worthwhile back.

Then what's the point in pushing to trade him? Despite his issues, you're all but guaranteed 180 innings of mediocre production with the upside of a #2 if he happened to get his head straight. That has value and I'd much rather gamble on that than save $10-15 million and get a bag of balls in return.

pjl44 wrote:

The salary's a sunk cost. If they can't get more back than a warm body, hang onto him for rotation depth. I've heard lots of allusions to his makeup, but am really curious about what his off-the-field issues entail.

AJ seems like a pretty good guy from everything you see and hear, I think the whole black eye thing came from an altercation with Eiland who rumors are had a serious alcohol problem.

I think the sunk cost aspect is why they need to trade him and take whatever they can get. At least that way they'll decrease the cost somewhat. The money isn't the issue with him. The problem is that he's literally the worst starter in baseball over the past 2 season among guys with enough innings to qualify for the ERA title in each year. Only Lackey has a higher combined ERA over the past 2 seasons Just slightly) but he 2010 ERA was 4.40 so he only passed him due to his amazingly bad 2011. AJ's the only starter in MLB to put up a 5.00 ERA or worse each of the past 2 years. Having him on the roster isn't just costing them money, it's costing them wins and causing them to overuse the bullpen because he averaged less than 6 IP per start and usually left the game with multiple runners on base. Not to mention the fact that he's led the league in wild pitches 2 of the last 3 seasons and led the league in hitting batters the only season he didn't lead the league in wild pitches (and even then he only had 1 less wild pitch than he did the year before). Getting rid of him can only make the team better because they're removing a negative performer. If he wasn't making as much money as he is they would have just released him and been done with it. If a situation arises where they have 2 injured starters, it's a pretty safe bet that whoever gets the call from AAA will be better than he's been over the last 2 seasons.

As for the attitude issues, his childish reactions to being yanked from games in the 5th inning last year are a big reason why he's no longer viewed as a positive guy to have around. He'd get pulled in the 5th inning with a slim lead but 2-3 runners on base in the middle of another one of his endless string of mid-game meltdowns and he acted like Girardi was trying to prevent him from getting credited with the win as if that's more important than preventing him from blowing another lead.

pjl44 wrote:

The salary's a sunk cost. If they can't get more back than a warm body, hang onto him for rotation depth. I've heard lots of allusions to his makeup, but am really curious about what his off-the-field issues entail.

Monster Rain wrote:

I think the sunk cost aspect is why they need to trade him and take whatever they can get. At least that way they'll decrease the cost somewhat. The money isn't the issue with him. The problem is that he's literally the worst starter in baseball over the past 2 season among guys with enough innings to qualify for the ERA title in each year. Only Lackey has a higher combined ERA over the past 2 seasons Just slightly) but he 2010 ERA was 4.40 so he only passed him due to his amazingly bad 2011. AJ's the only starter in MLB to put up a 5.00 ERA or worse each of the past 2 years. Having him on the roster isn't just costing them money, it's costing them wins and causing them to overuse the bullpen because he averaged less than 6 IP per start and usually left the game with multiple runners on base. Not to mention the fact that he's led the league in wild pitches 2 of the last 3 seasons and led the league in hitting batters the only season he didn't lead the league in wild pitches (and even then he only had 1 less wild pitch than he did the year before). Getting rid of him can only make the team better because they're removing a negative performer. If he wasn't making as much money as he is they would have just released him and been done with it. If a situation arises where they have 2 injured starters, it's a pretty safe bet that whoever gets the call from AAA will be better than he's been over the last 2 seasons.

As for the attitude issues, his childish reactions to being yanked from games in the 5th inning last year are a big reason why he's no longer viewed as a positive guy to have around. He'd get pulled in the 5th inning with a slim lead but 2-3 runners on base in the middle of another one of his endless string of mid-game meltdowns and he acted like Girardi was trying to prevent him from getting credited with the win as if that's more important than preventing him from blowing another lead.

monster rain, you are the man. your analysis deserves a wider audience than us knuckleheads who troll the PJ baseball threads. If you ever have anything SF Giants related, feel free to share:

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Plus, recent Yankee cast-offs wind up being halfway decent there (Karstens last year, Ohlendorf for a short time a few years ago).

Bronx Bombers wrote:

I can understand why a Pirates fan(s) would actually want AJ wow their staff is bad lol

Jeff Karstens
Erik Bedard
Charlie Morton
James McDonald
Kevin Correia

imalive wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

I think the sunk cost aspect is why they need to trade him and take whatever they can get. At least that way they'll decrease the cost somewhat. The money isn't the issue with him. The problem is that he's literally the worst starter in baseball over the past 2 season among guys with enough innings to qualify for the ERA title in each year. Only Lackey has a higher combined ERA over the past 2 seasons Just slightly) but he 2010 ERA was 4.40 so he only passed him due to his amazingly bad 2011. AJ's the only starter in MLB to put up a 5.00 ERA or worse each of the past 2 years. Having him on the roster isn't just costing them money, it's costing them wins and causing them to overuse the bullpen because he averaged less than 6 IP per start and usually left the game with multiple runners on base. Not to mention the fact that he's led the league in wild pitches 2 of the last 3 seasons and led the league in hitting batters the only season he didn't lead the league in wild pitches (and even then he only had 1 less wild pitch than he did the year before). Getting rid of him can only make the team better because they're removing a negative performer. If he wasn't making as much money as he is they would have just released him and been done with it. If a situation arises where they have 2 injured starters, it's a pretty safe bet that whoever gets the call from AAA will be better than he's been over the last 2 seasons.

As for the attitude issues, his childish reactions to being yanked from games in the 5th inning last year are a big reason why he's no longer viewed as a positive guy to have around. He'd get pulled in the 5th inning with a slim lead but 2-3 runners on base in the middle of another one of his endless string of mid-game meltdowns and he acted like Girardi was trying to prevent him from getting credited with the win as if that's more important than preventing him from blowing another lead.

monster rain, you are the man. your analysis deserves a wider audience than us knuckleheads who troll the PJ baseball threads. If you ever have anything SF Giants related, feel free to share:

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=123422

Thanks. Sometimes being anal-retentive comes in handy. I've definitely clenched my cheeks during more than a few of AJ's starts.

Yeah today looks like the last day in pinstripes for AJ. He was definitely frustrating as hell to watch but at least he stepped up a few times in the playoffs. Anyway can't believe we're 2 weeks away from the first spring game, 28 here we come.

Remeber how Hideki Okajima signed a minor-league deal with the Yankees? Well, he failed his physical and won't be joining the team.

Now that they're about to finish up with that saga they can get back to looking for a DH. I've seen the reports that Ibanez is their top choice but I jsut don't understand why. I have a bad feeling that they'll regret it if they sign him. What are the odds that a 40-year old gets better after having a bad season at 39?