OCCUPY WALL STREET - Spreading

Dude, seriously, we can all make lame posts:

A bunch of jobless lazy people defending a President who doesn't give a shit about them.

priceless.

polaris_x wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Your second paragraph is a complete contradiction on what you said these protest boil down to. Complaining about who's taxed what is....

...a government issue.

Yet, government isn't really taking any heat at these things. It's a contradiction.

not if the gov't is controlled by the corporations ...

Seriously, that's your logic? The President has either done a good, a moderate job or bad job in response to this corporate governance. If you're frustrated with the system, the government will need change and you should be upset at the government for practicing this corporatized governance. I mean the corporate governance issue is your logic and your rationale for the upsetment... and this is the guy who promised "hope and change".... yet you're response is, it's not his fault? It's solely the corporations? He has no other choice? Seriously?

I mean it's tough to discuss issues like this with people who can't honestly say that the heavy majority of these protesters are trying to deflect blame from President Obama in a lead up the 2012 election. That's just fact.

I am losing a lot of respect for you here. I say keep your indignation regarding corporatism, but don't blatantly lie to yourself about the underlying agenda here, simply because you think one's side of the aisle's kool-aid tastes better.

Government is not being called out at all at these protests and the reason is.... these are all Obama supporters, who seek to deflect blame from his unfavorable record.

inlet13 wrote:

Seriously, that's your logic? The President has either done a good, a moderate job or bad job in response to this corporate governance. If you're frustrated with the system, the government will need change and you should be upset at the government for practicing this corporatized governance. I mean the corporate governance issue is your logic and your rationale for the upsetment... and this is the guy who promised "hope and change".... yet you're response is, it's not his fault? It's solely the corporations? He has no other choice? Seriously?

I mean it's tough to discuss issues like this with people who can't honestly say that the heavy majority of these protesters are trying to deflect blame from President Obama in a lead up the 2012 election. That's just fact.

I am losing a lot of respect for you here. I say keep your indignation regarding corporatism, but don't blatantly lie to yourself about the underlying agenda here, simply because you think one's side of the aisle's kool-aid tastes better.

Government is not being called out at all at these protests and the reason is.... these are all Obama supporters, who seek to deflect blame from his unfavorable record.

i can't speak for every protestor ... but i'm guessing they aren't obama supporters ... i consider myself supportive of this movement and i sure as heck don't support obama ... having said that - i also recognize what he can and can't do ...

the problem with obama is that he has compromised too much to both special interest and the republicans (who's sole function seems to be to screw obama over) ... it should be painfully obvious to everyone that partisanship has killed any real progress in gov't ...

inlet13 wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Your second paragraph is a complete contradiction on what you said these protest boil down to. Complaining about who's taxed what is....

...a government issue.

Yet, government isn't really taking any heat at these things. It's a contradiction.

not if the gov't is controlled by the corporations ...

Government is not being called out at all at these protests and the reason is.... these are all Obama supporters, who seek to deflect blame from his unfavorable record.

This is BS and shows your ignorance of this movement. These people can look at the bigger picture, its not about any one president (think about all the protests around the world) its about the whole system. Quit trying to derail this thread with your partisan rhetoric.

Jeanwah wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Dude, seriously, we can all make lame posts:

A bunch of jobless lazy people defending a President who doesn't give a shit about them.

priceless.

You can tell which people on here have been completely unaffected by the recession and are completely apathetic to those who have.

READ.... it said "lame" post on it. It was just as lame as the post it was referring to.

You don't think the guy in NY with a cardboard camera and microphone that says "Faux News" and pretends to interview people is voting for Obama? He sure as hell isn't voting for the Republican candidate.

I saw a survey that said only 56% of those surveyed at the NY protest voted in 2008 and 74% of those who voted cast their vote for Obama. Now 51% of the total survey group said they disapprove of the job Obama's doing. So approximately 49% of the people there apparently approve of the job Obama is doing (and, one can assume, are therefore NOT protesting his administration) and you know that a large percentage of the people that disapprove of the job he's doing won't be voting for the Republican candidate in 2012. In fact, 25% of the people surveyed at the protest said they don't plan on voting in 2012. So, out of the other 75%, do you think that most of them are more likely to vote for Obama or Romney/Cain/Paul/Perry? 48% of the people surveyed said they are voting for Obama in 2012. That leaves 27% who are either undecided, voting Republican, voting for a 3rd party, or will join the other 25% who aren't voting. If you do the math, that means that 64% (48/75) of the people surveyed who intend to vote or have at least not ruled out voting yet in 2012 plan to vote for Obama.

How sad is it that the people in that park claim to care so much that they felt compelled to protest and camp out in a park for weeks but 56% didn't care enough to vote in 2008 (the national voter participation in 2008 was 56.8%, so the protesters have a below-average voter participation rate) and 25% already say they won't vote next year? If you want to send a message, you need to vote. People wonder why corporations are able to influence polticians and get them to include loopholes in the tax code for their businesses. Well, here's your answer. People put more energy into complaining about "the system" than they put into doing their part to change it. Why would a politician who's worried about getting re-elected give a crap about people who don't vote?

Another interesting question asked in the poll was "What would you like the Occupy Wall Street Movement to Accomplish?" 8% said they weren't sure. What the hell are those 8% doing there? Who protests without a goal? They've had weeks to think about the answer to that question. Regardless of your point of view, at least the other 92% surveyed were able to answer the question. I have a funny feeling that those 8% are part of the 25% that aren't going to vote.

http://theweek.com/article/index/220529 ... he-numbers

The article links to another article that gives some more of the numbers I cited above.

polaris_x wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Seriously, that's your logic? The President has either done a good, a moderate job or bad job in response to this corporate governance. If you're frustrated with the system, the government will need change and you should be upset at the government for practicing this corporatized governance. I mean the corporate governance issue is your logic and your rationale for the upsetment... and this is the guy who promised "hope and change".... yet you're response is, it's not his fault? It's solely the corporations? He has no other choice? Seriously?

I mean it's tough to discuss issues like this with people who can't honestly say that the heavy majority of these protesters are trying to deflect blame from President Obama in a lead up the 2012 election. That's just fact.

I am losing a lot of respect for you here. I say keep your indignation regarding corporatism, but don't blatantly lie to yourself about the underlying agenda here, simply because you think one's side of the aisle's kool-aid tastes better.

Government is not being called out at all at these protests and the reason is.... these are all Obama supporters, who seek to deflect blame from his unfavorable record.

i can't speak for every protestor ... but i'm guessing they aren't obama supporters ... i consider myself supportive of this movement and i sure as heck don't support obama ... having said that - i also recognize what he can and can't do ...

the problem with obama is that he has compromised too much to both special interest and the republicans (who's sole function seems to be to screw obama over) ... it should be painfully obvious to everyone that partisanship has killed any real progress in gov't ...

inlet13 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

my opinion is just as valuable as yours.

apathy will be your downfall and the downfall of the country.

i hope you never lose your job or get screwed over by the system..

I think it was a really, really lame post. Like something a third grader could come up with. Offer your opinion next time, not stuff like that.

who cares what you think is a lame post? people on here can make up their own minds about other people and their posts without your condescending commentary. i was stating my opinion. i think that it is stupid that people making a modest living are against raising taxes on people that will miss that money the least. if you favor the rich, favor the banks, favor the status quo and do not support those living at standards below yours just come out and say it. don't disparage the movement because you don't agree with cetain aspects of it.

inlet13 wrote:

dignin wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Government is not being called out at all at these protests and the reason is.... these are all Obama supporters, who seek to deflect blame from his unfavorable record.

This is BS and shows your ignorance of this movement. These people can look at the bigger picture, its not about any one president (think about all the protests around the world) its about the whole system. Quit trying to derail this thread with your partisan rhetoric.

Ummm....

NOPE. It shows how bias and how much kool-aid is in your tummy. You won't call out the guy sitting in office because you'll vote for him. You won't say it's the government's fault because you know this is a political issue and you are pro-Democrat. Just be honest and stop trying to derail logic with non-partisan fallacy.

Ummmm....kool-aid? :roll: I have not voted for and never will vote for Obama, and I vote in every election at every level. Nice try but I'm Canadian, where we have the fortune of having more than a two party system. Please try and tell me what I'm about again.

His post was sarcasm. Did you not see where he said "I can make lame posts, too?"

Jeanwah wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

I don't think there's anyone here who hasn't felt the effects of the recession. Disagreeing with the protesters does not mean that someone hasn't felt any impact from the recession.

Jeanwah wrote:

You can tell which people on here have been completely unaffected by the recession and are completely apathetic to those who have.

Calling people 'lazy' because they can't find work in a recession is pure apathy. It also doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the OWS movement. People putting down the movement are also putting down those who can't find work and happen to also be pissed about it enough to be out protesting.

inlet13 wrote:

Dude, seriously, we can all make lame posts:

A bunch of jobless lazy people defending a President who doesn't give a shit about them.

priceless.

Monster Rain wrote:

His post was sarcasm. Did you not see where he said "I can make lame posts, too?"

there is an element of truth in sarcasm. that is why it is "funny".