it's about raising awareness ... one would hope that when large scale protests like this are occurring - they would read up on what the protesters are opposing ...
When raising awareness, you should be aware of how your actions are construed by the general public. When action is taken out of anger, poor decision making is usually at hand. Disrupting commutes is typically one of the worst public relations move that a group can do.
In order to spread your message, you need to win hearts and minds.
When raising awareness, you should be aware of how your actions are construed by the general public. When action is taken out of anger, poor decision making is usually at hand. Disrupting commutes is typically one of the worst public relations move that a group can do.
In order to spread your message, you need to win hearts and minds.
what do you suggest!? ... have old ladies handing out lollipops and stuffed bears?
acts of civil disobedience will sadly result in every day people being disrupted ... but not anymore than if say a public service union is on strike or locked out ... i wonder if those people that lost their life savings due to corruption on wall street worry about being delayed in traffic?
I've tried to read up on what they are protesting or opposing, and how they propose we should fix things, but they dont' know
Exactly. The only thing I think the group is united on is that government is in bed with the 1% and we should raise taxes .... that is a concept I'm still trying to wrap my head around. It is illogical. Why be in favor of giving more money to a group you claim has fucked everything up????
I've tried to read up on what they are protesting or opposing, and how they propose we should fix things, but they dont' know
many of us on here have been saying the game's been rigged for a long time ... me, personally ... i think you need a full scale revolution ... whole thing needs to be blown up and start from scratch ... it's too corrupt to be fixed ...
When raising awareness, you should be aware of how your actions are construed by the general public. When action is taken out of anger, poor decision making is usually at hand. Disrupting commutes is typically one of the worst public relations move that a group can do.
In order to spread your message, you need to win hearts and minds.
what do you suggest!? ... have old ladies handing out lollipops and stuffed bears?
acts of civil disobedience will sadly result in every day people being disrupted ... but not anymore than if say a public service union is on strike or locked out ... i wonder if those people that lost their life savings due to corruption on wall street worry about being delayed in traffic?
I suggest developing a plan. Make well thought-out demands. Have an understanding of what effect your group's appearance has on the public's opinion.
And having old ladies handing out lollipops and stuffed bears is a much better tactic then banging drums and smoking doobies in a park. OWS needs to meet somewhere in the middle.
I've tried to read up on what they are protesting or opposing, and how they propose we should fix things, but they dont' know
many of us on here have been saying the game's been rigged for a long time ... me, personally ... i think you need a full scale revolution ... whole thing needs to be blown up and start from scratch ... it's too corrupt to be fixed ...
I saw a video of a female protester getting abused/roughed up by some NYPD officers, and all the other OWS protesters around did was scream "shame" "shame" "shame"...
I say shame on the protesters who stood by watching that happen, not trying to stop it. Shame indeed.
I suggest developing a plan. Make well thought-out demands. Have an understanding of what effect your group's appearance has on the public's opinion.
And having old ladies handing out lollipops and stuffed bears is a much better tactic then banging drums and smoking doobies in a park. OWS needs to meet somewhere in the middle.
well ... this thing is a clustercuss on many levels ... formally organizing is tough because it requires money ... and once money gets involved - it's over ... who's accountable to that money? ... where is it going to come from? ... will that influence the message? ...
like i've been saying ... full scale revolution ... but with a modern twist ...
if it was me - it would go something like this:
immediate boycott of the major corporations such as:
Bank of America, GE, Monsanto, Exxon, Haliburton, Time Warner ... if anyone has stock or subscribes to any of their services or products - they need to discontinue it ... send those fuckers no money ...
I saw a video of a female protester getting abused/roughed up by some NYPD officers, and all the other OWS protesters around did was scream "shame" "shame" "shame"...
I say shame on the protesters who stood by watching that happen, not trying to stop it. Shame indeed.
it's a PR war now ... attacking the police officer only fuels the opposition ... i wouldn't be surprised if the violence today was started by a plant ... obviously, i could be wrong as i've been to enough of these things to know there are loose cannons everywhere ... but who knows ... obviously any violence swings the PR war to the establishment ... so, not sure how OWS can win if there is any violence ...
I've tried to read up on what they are protesting or opposing, and how they propose we should fix things, but they dont' know
many of us on here have been saying the game's been rigged for a long time ... me, personally ... i think you need a full scale revolution ... whole thing needs to be blown up and start from scratch ... it's too corrupt to be fixed ...
I saw a video of a female protester getting abused/roughed up by some NYPD officers, and all the other OWS protesters around did was scream "shame" "shame" "shame"...
I say shame on the protesters who stood by watching that happen, not trying to stop it. Shame indeed.
I think that was OWS - Nova Scotia, and it was HILLARIOUS. http://youtu.be/cIZIvHkXRmg
My buddy who is from Halifax posted it on his Facebook page.
Of COURSE they did NOTHING, they're CANADIAN.
And the funniest part (i think in one of the earlier videos in the series) is the guy being arrested, screaming.
Get the FOOK OFFA MEH, EHH?
Get the FOOK Off-ah Mehhh!
BWAHAHAHA.
Silly Canadians.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I saw a video of a female protester getting abused/roughed up by some NYPD officers, and all the other OWS protesters around did was scream "shame" "shame" "shame"...
I say shame on the protesters who stood by watching that happen, not trying to stop it. Shame indeed.
it's a PR war now ... attacking the police officer only fuels the opposition ... i wouldn't be surprised if the violence today was started by a plant ... obviously, i could be wrong as i've been to enough of these things to know there are loose cannons everywhere ... but who knows ... obviously any violence swings the PR war to the establishment ... so, not sure how OWS can win if there is any violence ...
agent provocateurs, yea, we had tons during our G20.
I suggest developing a plan. Make well thought-out demands. Have an understanding of what effect your group's appearance has on the public's opinion.
And having old ladies handing out lollipops and stuffed bears is a much better tactic then banging drums and smoking doobies in a park. OWS needs to meet somewhere in the middle.
well ... this thing is a clustercuss on many levels ... formally organizing is tough because it requires money ... and once money gets involved - it's over ... who's accountable to that money? ... where is it going to come from? ... will that influence the message? ...
like i've been saying ... full scale revolution ... but with a modern twist ...
if it was me - it would go something like this:
immediate boycott of the major corporations such as:
Bank of America, GE, Monsanto, Exxon, Haliburton, Time Warner ... if anyone has stock or subscribes to any of their services or products - they need to discontinue it ... send those fuckers no money ...
Who provides your internet services?
When companies lose money (be it to a boycott or recession), what do they do first and who gets punished?
Stop paying bills, and what happens?
And considering APPLE passed Exxon-Moble as the world's most valuable company, how come they are never mentioned in the list of major corporations??? They constantly rip people off but somehow get a pass.
Revolution, are you serious? How much of the population would die in the first two weeks, just from lack of services? It's not even a possibility.
When companies lose money (be it to a boycott or recession), what do they do first and who gets punished?
Stop paying bills, and what happens?
And considering APPLE passed Exxon-Moble as the world's most valuable company, how come they are never mentioned in the list of major corporations??? They constantly rip people off but somehow get a pass.
Revolution, are you serious? How much of the population would die in the first two weeks, just from lack of services? It's not even a possibility.
my landlord covers my internet at home ...
companies will lay off people ... and what's your point?
i never said stop paying bills ... i said stop using their services ...
this isn't going to be another - don't mention animal cruelty if you wear leather kind of discussion is it!?? ... i'm not sure how one thing changes the fact these corporations have been exploiting the public for so long ...
i am dead serious about a revolution ... what kind of services are you suggesting would kill people? ... no Jersey Shore on tv? ...
what do you propose then? ... you think everything is kosher?
AMT take a lot of crap on AET, but man, we look like angles compared to the main OWS thread on AET.
Of course, we can easily do a hard-reset on the nastiness by starting another Israel / Palestine thread.
it's only a few of us that give us a bad name! ... it's been pretty tame on here with a few bans ... but we got some new trolls so - it's back to mudslinging ...
Was it a "plant" who slashed a police officer today, too? Were the DC protesters who knocked an old lady down concrete steps just one big group of "plants?" Why is it that when protesters turn violent, people quickly point out conspiracy theories that the violent people are plants sent in to discredit the group but nobody ever suggests that an aggressive cop in a video is a sympathizer of the protesters trying to get them sympathy and nobody ever suggests that what preceded the incident in the video but was conveniently not recorded may shed some light on what really happened such as the "victim" initiating the physicality (such as the video OWS supporters said showed the NYPD attacking them when the full video showed the "victims" raming a steel barricade into the police without any provocation)?
I saw a video of a female protester getting abused/roughed up by some NYPD officers, and all the other OWS protesters around did was scream "shame" "shame" "shame"...
I say shame on the protesters who stood by watching that happen, not trying to stop it. Shame indeed.
it's a PR war now ... attacking the police officer only fuels the opposition ... i wouldn't be surprised if the violence today was started by a plant ... obviously, i could be wrong as i've been to enough of these things to know there are loose cannons everywhere ... but who knows ... obviously any violence swings the PR war to the establishment ... so, not sure how OWS can win if there is any violence ...
Was it a "plant" who slashed a police officer today, too? Were the DC protesters who knocked an old lady down concrete steps just one big group of "plants?" Why is it that when protesters turn violent, people quickly point out conspiracy theories that the violent people are plants sent in to discredit the group but nobody ever suggests that an aggressive cop in a video is a sympathizer of the protesters trying to get them sympathy and nobody ever suggests that what preceded the incident in the video but was conveniently not recorded may shed some light on what really happened such as the "victim" initiating the physicality (such as the video OWS supporters said showed the NYPD attacking them when the full video showed the "victims" raming a steel barricade into the police without any provocation)?
firstly, i only brought up the prospect of plants ... because there is a precedence of this happening at anti-globalization protests everywhere ... it is a well known tactic ... secondly, for it to work in reverse ... someone would have to pose to be a cop ... that would be very hard to do because cops are inherently a fraternity ... which is what happened at the G20 protests here in toronto ... cops were found to use excessive violence but no cop would rat out another ... lastly, i'm not saying all protestors are innocent of stupidity ... there are loose cannons everywhere ... but this is a mass movement - it's virtually impossible to control every single person at every single time ...
also ... this is the NYPD here ... the history of corruption is widely known ...
the blame for today lies solely on mayor bloomberg. the movement was petering out, he threw everyone out of the park, and this is what you get. he has galvanized the movement, and they are rallying around his decision. government is supposed to listen to the citizens it serves, but it has ignored these people. bloomberg has officially lost control of his city. what happens tomorrow if 50,000 show up? will they have to call in the national guard?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i am dead serious about a revolution ... what kind of services are you suggesting would kill people? ... no Jersey Shore on tv? ...
what do you propose then? ... you think everything is kosher?
A majority of the population, especially those in dense urban areas, do not have the skills to survive on their own. The skills that most people do have are only of use in the current system and are of very little use for survival.
Just think of how fast supplies fall of the shelves prior to a hurricane. What happens when a country full of guns and ammo runs out of Twinkies?
The only way their could be a revolution is if a branch of the military and major political players were involved. It would have to be very quick and efficient. See the U.S.S.R as an example .... and the U.S. is nowhere close to the state of the former Soviet Russia.
If there ever is a revolution, the people won't be behind it.
A majority of the population, especially those in dense urban areas, do not have the skills to survive on their own. The skills that most people do have are only of use in the current system and are of very little use for survival.
Just think of how fast supplies fall of the shelves prior to a hurricane. What happens when a country full of guns and ammo runs out of Twinkies?
The only way their could be a revolution is if a branch of the military and major political players were involved. It would have to be very quick and efficient. See the U.S.S.R as an example .... and the U.S. is nowhere close to the state of the former Soviet Russia.
If there ever is a revolution, the people won't be behind it.
a revolution comes in many forms ... we're not talking civil war here ... look at what happened in egypt - i don't recall reading about mass starvation ...
i do agree that if there is one ... most people would not be behind it because the foundation of democracy in america is very weak ... but it still needs to happen ...
A majority of the population, especially those in dense urban areas, do not have the skills to survive on their own. The skills that most people do have are only of use in the current system and are of very little use for survival.
Just think of how fast supplies fall of the shelves prior to a hurricane. What happens when a country full of guns and ammo runs out of Twinkies?
The only way their could be a revolution is if a branch of the military and major political players were involved. It would have to be very quick and efficient. See the U.S.S.R as an example .... and the U.S. is nowhere close to the state of the former Soviet Russia.
If there ever is a revolution, the people won't be behind it.
a revolution comes in many forms ... we're not talking civil war here ... look at what happened in egypt - i don't recall reading about mass starvation ...
i do agree that if there is one ... most people would not be behind it because the foundation of democracy in america is very weak ... but it still needs to happen ...
i'm open to any other suggestion ...
The conditions in Egypt are so different from the United States, it's not even a fair comparison. If it gets to the point where sewage is running down the streets and we have to wait in line for our daily bread ration, I'll take you up on the call to arms.
Here is my BIG suggestion: OWS needs to find a common bridge with the Tea Party. Think about it ...
The conditions in Egypt are so different from the United States, it's not even a fair comparison. If it gets to the point where sewage is running down the streets and we have to wait in line for our daily bread ration, I'll take you up on the call to arms.
Here is my BIG suggestion: OWS needs to find a common bridge with the Tea Party. Think about it ...
whoa nelly ... i have never called for any violence nor use of arms ... violence is not the answer ... revolutions are not synonymous with violence ...
as far as OWS and the Tea Party ... there are common interests there ... but ultimately, people have to agree on what the picture is before changing it ... that's the first thing ...
whoa nelly ... i have never called for any violence nor use of arms ... violence is not the answer ... revolutions are not synonymous with violence ...
as far as OWS and the Tea Party ... there are common interests there ... but ultimately, people have to agree on what the picture is before changing it ... that's the first thing ...
From what I see, both groups know what's wrong with the picture ... it's corruption in our current system. If both sides could unite to achieve a common goal, there is a large amount of the population that falls between the Tea Party and OWS. A list of demands could be made to the government and with both conservative and liberal voices teaming up, it could force action.
As long as the public opinion is fractured, we all get played as fools by those in power.
The common interest is government corruption. But people on both side of the fence cannot let their prior political prejudices go away. OWS and the Tea Party look at each other with disgust even though they are both fighting for the same goddamn goal. And if both sides cannot realize that, then revolution is nothing but a pipe dream.
for those of you that hate the 1%....you have wanted this battle, for sometime now and it is here.
yet...you type around on the computer.
what's your point?
my point.....?
you will fly around and cross borders to see a pearl jam show, charge large amounts on pearl jam merchandise, i have read others who say they are going to quit their jobs to follow pearl jam concerts.
you have the opportunity to create or be apart of history....yet, you type around on the computer.
that is my point....hope it was simple.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
for those of you that hate the 1%....you have wanted this battle, for sometime now and it is here.
yet...you type around on the computer.
what's your point?
my point.....?
you will fly around and cross borders to see a pearl jam show, charge large amounts on pearl jam merchandise, i have read others who say they are going to quit their jobs to follow pearl jam concerts.
you have the opportunity to create or be apart of history....yet, you type around on the computer.
that is my point....hope it was simple.
You don't know whats in his heart, and you don't know what else he does with his time, or do you really think that all Mr Polaris does is sit around typing?
Maybe start another thread that goes into who we all are?
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What a hypocrite. You know who these "bad parents" are or who's family they people come from... the Baby Boomer generation. That's right, the generation who were handed everything in a post-WW2 era where their own parents actually created suburbia and then they decided to create things like privatization, corporate culture, consumerism and greed all things to be admired in our society. I don't agree nor like the OWS group, but the more further we get away from the baby boomers, the more we recognize how selfish and self-interested they are and they are the ones causing far more problems in our nation than any group protesting in parks. The baby boomers have created the national debt and security issues we face in our nation, everyone else is just stuck with the results.
I was born in 1951 and this does not sound like an apt description of me or any peers I associate with. I wouldn't be so quick to generalize or condemn.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
"Try to not spook the horse."
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You don't know whats in his heart, and you don't know what else he does with his time, or do you really think that all Mr Polaris does is sit around typing?
Maybe start another thread that goes into who we all are?[/quote]
great point....now apply the same logic to the 1% that you do not know.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
What a hypocrite. You know who these "bad parents" are or who's family they people come from... the Baby Boomer generation. That's right, the generation who were handed everything in a post-WW2 era where their own parents actually created suburbia and then they decided to create things like privatization, corporate culture, consumerism and greed all things to be admired in our society. I don't agree nor like the OWS group, but the more further we get away from the baby boomers, the more we recognize how selfish and self-interested they are and they are the ones causing far more problems in our nation than any group protesting in parks. The baby boomers have created the national debt and security issues we face in our nation, everyone else is just stuck with the results.
I was born in 1951 and this does not sound like an apt description of me or any peers I associate with. I wouldn't be so quick to generalize or condemn.
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In order to spread your message, you need to win hearts and minds.
what do you suggest!? ... have old ladies handing out lollipops and stuffed bears?
acts of civil disobedience will sadly result in every day people being disrupted ... but not anymore than if say a public service union is on strike or locked out ... i wonder if those people that lost their life savings due to corruption on wall street worry about being delayed in traffic?
many of us on here have been saying the game's been rigged for a long time ... me, personally ... i think you need a full scale revolution ... whole thing needs to be blown up and start from scratch ... it's too corrupt to be fixed ...
And having old ladies handing out lollipops and stuffed bears is a much better tactic then banging drums and smoking doobies in a park. OWS needs to meet somewhere in the middle.
I saw a video of a female protester getting abused/roughed up by some NYPD officers, and all the other OWS protesters around did was scream "shame" "shame" "shame"...
I say shame on the protesters who stood by watching that happen, not trying to stop it. Shame indeed.
well ... this thing is a clustercuss on many levels ... formally organizing is tough because it requires money ... and once money gets involved - it's over ... who's accountable to that money? ... where is it going to come from? ... will that influence the message? ...
like i've been saying ... full scale revolution ... but with a modern twist ...
if it was me - it would go something like this:
immediate boycott of the major corporations such as:
Bank of America, GE, Monsanto, Exxon, Haliburton, Time Warner ... if anyone has stock or subscribes to any of their services or products - they need to discontinue it ... send those fuckers no money ...
it's a PR war now ... attacking the police officer only fuels the opposition ... i wouldn't be surprised if the violence today was started by a plant ... obviously, i could be wrong as i've been to enough of these things to know there are loose cannons everywhere ... but who knows ... obviously any violence swings the PR war to the establishment ... so, not sure how OWS can win if there is any violence ...
I think that was OWS - Nova Scotia, and it was HILLARIOUS.
http://youtu.be/cIZIvHkXRmg
My buddy who is from Halifax posted it on his Facebook page.
Of COURSE they did NOTHING, they're CANADIAN.
And the funniest part (i think in one of the earlier videos in the series) is the guy being arrested, screaming.
Get the FOOK OFFA MEH, EHH?
Get the FOOK Off-ah Mehhh!
BWAHAHAHA.
Silly Canadians.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
agent provocateurs, yea, we had tons during our G20.
When companies lose money (be it to a boycott or recession), what do they do first and who gets punished?
Stop paying bills, and what happens?
And considering APPLE passed Exxon-Moble as the world's most valuable company, how come they are never mentioned in the list of major corporations??? They constantly rip people off but somehow get a pass.
Revolution, are you serious? How much of the population would die in the first two weeks, just from lack of services? It's not even a possibility.
Of course, we can easily do a hard-reset on the nastiness by starting another Israel / Palestine thread.
my landlord covers my internet at home ...
companies will lay off people ... and what's your point?
i never said stop paying bills ... i said stop using their services ...
this isn't going to be another - don't mention animal cruelty if you wear leather kind of discussion is it!?? ... i'm not sure how one thing changes the fact these corporations have been exploiting the public for so long ...
i am dead serious about a revolution ... what kind of services are you suggesting would kill people? ... no Jersey Shore on tv? ...
what do you propose then? ... you think everything is kosher?
it's only a few of us that give us a bad name! ... it's been pretty tame on here with a few bans ... but we got some new trolls so - it's back to mudslinging ...
firstly, i only brought up the prospect of plants ... because there is a precedence of this happening at anti-globalization protests everywhere ... it is a well known tactic ... secondly, for it to work in reverse ... someone would have to pose to be a cop ... that would be very hard to do because cops are inherently a fraternity ... which is what happened at the G20 protests here in toronto ... cops were found to use excessive violence but no cop would rat out another ... lastly, i'm not saying all protestors are innocent of stupidity ... there are loose cannons everywhere ... but this is a mass movement - it's virtually impossible to control every single person at every single time ...
also ... this is the NYPD here ... the history of corruption is widely known ...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
yet...you type around on the computer.
Just think of how fast supplies fall of the shelves prior to a hurricane. What happens when a country full of guns and ammo runs out of Twinkies?
The only way their could be a revolution is if a branch of the military and major political players were involved. It would have to be very quick and efficient. See the U.S.S.R as an example .... and the U.S. is nowhere close to the state of the former Soviet Russia.
If there ever is a revolution, the people won't be behind it.
a revolution comes in many forms ... we're not talking civil war here ... look at what happened in egypt - i don't recall reading about mass starvation ...
i do agree that if there is one ... most people would not be behind it because the foundation of democracy in america is very weak ... but it still needs to happen ...
i'm open to any other suggestion ...
what's your point?
Here is my BIG suggestion: OWS needs to find a common bridge with the Tea Party. Think about it ...
whoa nelly ... i have never called for any violence nor use of arms ... violence is not the answer ... revolutions are not synonymous with violence ...
as far as OWS and the Tea Party ... there are common interests there ... but ultimately, people have to agree on what the picture is before changing it ... that's the first thing ...
As long as the public opinion is fractured, we all get played as fools by those in power.
The common interest is government corruption. But people on both side of the fence cannot let their prior political prejudices go away. OWS and the Tea Party look at each other with disgust even though they are both fighting for the same goddamn goal. And if both sides cannot realize that, then revolution is nothing but a pipe dream.
you will fly around and cross borders to see a pearl jam show, charge large amounts on pearl jam merchandise, i have read others who say they are going to quit their jobs to follow pearl jam concerts.
you have the opportunity to create or be apart of history....yet, you type around on the computer.
that is my point....hope it was simple.
You don't know whats in his heart, and you don't know what else he does with his time, or do you really think that all Mr Polaris does is sit around typing?
Maybe start another thread that goes into who we all are?
I was born in 1951 and this does not sound like an apt description of me or any peers I associate with. I wouldn't be so quick to generalize or condemn.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I do to... but then my chisel broke and I'm fresh out of slate.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Maybe start another thread that goes into who we all are?[/quote]
great point....now apply the same logic to the 1% that you do not know.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis