OCCUPY WALL STREET - Spreading

pandora

Jason P wrote:

The biggest challenge they face will be from Old Man Winter. NYC's mayor has probably just been waiting for the snow to fly.

did I hear snow tonight for NYC?

RW81233

pandora wrote:

Jason P wrote:

The biggest challenge they face will be from Old Man Winter. NYC's mayor has probably just been waiting for the snow to fly.

did I hear snow tonight for NYC?

def tomorrow

mickeyrat

Monster Rain wrote:

You don't think the guy in NY with a cardboard camera and microphone that says "Faux News" and pretends to interview people is voting for Obama? He sure as hell isn't voting for the Republican candidate.

I saw a survey that said only 56% of those surveyed at the NY protest voted in 2008 and 74% of those who voted cast their vote for Obama. Now 51% of the total survey group said they disapprove of the job Obama's doing. So approximately 49% of the people there apparently approve of the job Obama is doing (and, one can assume, are therefore NOT protesting his administration) and you know that a large percentage of the people that disapprove of the job he's doing won't be voting for the Republican candidate in 2012. In fact, 25% of the people surveyed at the protest said they don't plan on voting in 2012. So, out of the other 75%, do you think that most of them are more likely to vote for Obama or Romney/Cain/Paul/Perry? 48% of the people surveyed said they are voting for Obama in 2012. That leaves 27% who are either undecided, voting Republican, voting for a 3rd party, or will join the other 25% who aren't voting. If you do the math, that means that 64% (48/75) of the people surveyed who intend to vote or have at least not ruled out voting yet in 2012 plan to vote for Obama.

How sad is it that the people in that park claim to care so much that they felt compelled to protest and camp out in a park for weeks but 56% didn't care enough to vote in 2008 (the national voter participation in 2008 was 56.8%, so the protesters have a below-average voter participation rate) and 25% already say they won't vote next year? If you want to send a message, you need to vote. People wonder why corporations are able to influence polticians and get them to include loopholes in the tax code for their businesses. Well, here's your answer. People put more energy into complaining about "the system" than they put into doing their part to change it. Why would a politician who's worried about getting re-elected give a crap about people who don't vote?

Another interesting question asked in the poll was "What would you like the Occupy Wall Street Movement to Accomplish?" 8% said they weren't sure. What the hell are those 8% doing there? Who protests without a goal? They've had weeks to think about the answer to that question. Regardless of your point of view, at least the other 92% surveyed were able to answer the question. I have a funny feeling that those 8% are part of the 25% that aren't going to vote.

http://theweek.com/article/index/220529 ... he-numbers

The article links to another article that gives some more of the numbers I cited above.

polaris_x wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Seriously, that's your logic? The President has either done a good, a moderate job or bad job in response to this corporate governance. If you're frustrated with the system, the government will need change and you should be upset at the government for practicing this corporatized governance. I mean the corporate governance issue is your logic and your rationale for the upsetment... and this is the guy who promised "hope and change".... yet you're response is, it's not his fault? It's solely the corporations? He has no other choice? Seriously?

I mean it's tough to discuss issues like this with people who can't honestly say that the heavy majority of these protesters are trying to deflect blame from President Obama in a lead up the 2012 election. That's just fact.

I am losing a lot of respect for you here. I say keep your indignation regarding corporatism, but don't blatantly lie to yourself about the underlying agenda here, simply because you think one's side of the aisle's kool-aid tastes better.

Government is not being called out at all at these protests and the reason is.... these are all Obama supporters, who seek to deflect blame from his unfavorable record.

i can't speak for every protestor ... but i'm guessing they aren't obama supporters ... i consider myself supportive of this movement and i sure as heck don't support obama ... having said that - i also recognize what he can and can't do ...

the problem with obama is that he has compromised too much to both special interest and the republicans (who's sole function seems to be to screw obama over) ... it should be painfully obvious to everyone that partisanship has killed any real progress in gov't ...

Of those that didnt vote in 08, how many were actuallly of age TO vote?

brianlux

mickeyrat wrote:

Of those that didnt vote in 08, how many were actuallly of age TO vote?

I missed out on the 1908 elections by two months.

mickeyrat

brianlux wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

Of those that didnt vote in 08, how many were actuallly of age TO vote?

I missed out on the 1908 elections by two months.

Really? 1908 , huh? You didnt strike me as that old from your posts.

pandora

After being arrested here in Atlanta the other day and the park closed
the protestors are back on donated land instead of public property

It doesn't appear to be a very big space though nor protest

I guess the Mayor will speak about this today

Monster Rain

The poll info I've seen doesn't say how many of the non-voters in 2008 were old enough to vote then. The age groups given in the poll broke it down as 18-29, 30-39, 40-49, 50-64, and 65+. It would've been more useful to see if the question about voting in 2008 was limited to only voters who were 18 or older at the time or at least break down the ages as 18-25 and 26-39 so you can see how many people were too young to vote in the election.

I do have to correct myself on one point, though. I don't know if I misread the article or if it's been corrected since I saw it Friday, but 56% voted in 2008 and I had said that 56% didn't vote. I still think that's much too low of a number for a group of political protesters but it is nearly the same as the national voter turnout (which I find depressingly low as well).

mickeyrat wrote:

Of those that didnt vote in 08, how many were actuallly of age TO vote?

Bronx Bombers

A 23-year-old woman is accused of attempting to pimp out a teenage girl she met at an Occupy New Hampshire protest earlier this week.

After Justina Jensen, of Manchester, became friendly with the girl, she went on the Internet and arranged a tryst between her and a man -- who was actually an undercover cop, according to Union Leader.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... z1cMxZ5BZK

Bronx Bombers

Wall Street protesters in Zuccotti Park battened down the hatches yesterday as the early October snow turned their tents into igloos, but the close quarters also made easy pickings for one predator.

A sex fiend barged into a woman’s tent and sexually assaulted her at around 6 a.m., said protesters, who chased him from the park.
“Pervert! Pervert! Get the f--k out!” said vigilante Occupiers, who never bothered to call the cops.

“They were shining flashlights in his face and yelling at him to leave,” said a woman who called herself Leslie, but refused to give her real name.

She said that weeks earlier another woman was raped.

“We don’t tell anyone,” she said. “We handle it internally. I said too much already.”

http://m.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhat ... J7VGC9nJZP

Jason P

People are using exercise bikes to provide power after their generators were confiscated.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/power-people-occupy-wall-street-uses-bikes-generate-141853827.html

Although the main purpose is to power laptops and cell phones ... two main staples of American consumerism and debt. Nevertheless, it's a creative method and much safer (and quieter) then generators.

Now they just need to figure out how to plug electric blankets into it.

Monster Rain

That will actually become a pretty dangerous method of getting power if they're still hanging around there when the really cold weather hits. Exercising outdoors in the winter is a good way to bring on a heart attack.

Jason P wrote:

People are using exercise bikes to provide power after their generators were confiscated.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/power-people-occupy-wall-street-uses-bikes-generate-141853827.html

Although the main purpose is to power laptops and cell phones ... two main staples of American consumerism and debt. Nevertheless, it's a creative method and much safer (and quieter) then generators.

Now they just need to figure out how to plug electric blankets into it.

Jeanwah

Monster Rain wrote:

That will actually become a pretty dangerous method of getting power if they're still hanging around there when the really cold weather hits. Exercising outdoors in the winter is a good way to bring on a heart attack.

Jason P wrote:

People are using exercise bikes to provide power after their generators were confiscated.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/power-people-occupy-wall-street-uses-bikes-generate-141853827.html

Although the main purpose is to power laptops and cell phones ... two main staples of American consumerism and debt. Nevertheless, it's a creative method and much safer (and quieter) then generators.

Now they just need to figure out how to plug electric blankets into it.

What??? That's just false. You are not privy to a heart attack just from exercising in the winter.

Pedal power is awesome.

Monster Rain

Perhaps I should have clarified what I meant a little better. People who are not in good shape are at risk when they do strenuous exercise in cold weather. If you have a heart condition and you're pedaling a stationary bike to provide electricity outdoors when it's 10 degrees with 20 mph winds you are putting yourself in a bad situation. Along those same lines, someone with asthma has an increased risk of an asthma attack if they exercise outside in very cold conditions. My point was that I seen a ton of news coverage and home video of the OWS crowd and there weren't a lot of people there that looked like they were in the type of shape where I would think exercising in the cold was the best idea for them--especially since the ones living in tents don't have an "inside" to go to where they can warm up afterwards. I wouldn't want to be sweating like that and then have to remain outdoors. I'm not wishing anything bad upon them. I just don't think it's the best idea.

Jeanwah wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

That will actually become a pretty dangerous method of getting power if they're still hanging around there when the really cold weather hits. Exercising outdoors in the winter is a good way to bring on a heart attack.

Jason P wrote:

People are using exercise bikes to provide power after their generators were confiscated.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/power-people-occupy-wall-street-uses-bikes-generate-141853827.html

Although the main purpose is to power laptops and cell phones ... two main staples of American consumerism and debt. Nevertheless, it's a creative method and much safer (and quieter) then generators.

Now they just need to figure out how to plug electric blankets into it.

What??? That's just false. You are not privy to a heart attack just from exercising in the winter.

Pedal power is awesome.

EdsonNascimento

"I believe that Barack Obama owns the Occupy Wall Street movement," __________ said. "It would not have happened, it would not have happened but for his class warfare. And remember, as it gets worse and worse because it's going to get worse and worse, where it came from. Barack Obama. He praised it. He supported it. He agrees with it. He sympathizes with it. And as it gets worse and worse, I believe this will be the millstone around Barack Obama's neck that will take his presidency down."

"How about you occupy a job. How about working? Working. I know that's tough," __________ also said.




Truer words have never been spoken. How about you occupy a job? Love it. Very wise man. Unfortunately, he's not running because the Republican party is worried about the wrong thing (divorces, some centrist ideals), and he's too honest for the Democrats (I'm sure they will be upset with this). He would clean the US up like he did NYC.

Can you guess the speaker?

Jason P

EdsonNascimento wrote:

"I believe that Barack Obama owns the Occupy Wall Street movement," __________ said. "It would not have happened, it would not have happened but for his class warfare. And remember, as it gets worse and worse because it's going to get worse and worse, where it came from. Barack Obama. He praised it. He supported it. He agrees with it. He sympathizes with it. And as it gets worse and worse, I believe this will be the millstone around Barack Obama's neck that will take his presidency down."

"How about you occupy a job. How about working? Working. I know that's tough," __________ also said.




Truer words have never been spoken. How about you occupy a job? Love it. Very wise man. Unfortunately, he's not running because the Republican party is worried about the wrong thing (divorces, some centrist ideals), and he's too honest for the Democrats (I'm sure they will be upset with this). He would clean the US up like he did NYC.

Can you guess the speaker?

Since it's NY, I'm guessing Rudy.

Reality is that both GOP and Democrats play us like fools against each other all the time. I think both OWS and the Tea Party are very similar in nature, but each is compromised from a distinct political party and the ideology is not easy to let go. Both political parties are trying to figure out how to harness the energy for their own gain, even though they are the same fuckers that caused the activism in the first place by not performing their job ethically.

That's what is really missing in congress ... ethics.

EdsonNascimento

Rudy it is.

CH156378

EdsonNascimento wrote:

"I believe that Barack Obama owns the Occupy Wall Street movement," __________ said. "It would not have happened, it would not have happened but for his class warfare. And remember, as it gets worse and worse because it's going to get worse and worse, where it came from. Barack Obama. He praised it. He supported it. He agrees with it. He sympathizes with it. And as it gets worse and worse, I believe this will be the millstone around Barack Obama's neck that will take his presidency down."

"How about you occupy a job. How about working? Working. I know that's tough," __________ also said.




Truer words have never been spoken. How about you occupy a job? Love it. Very wise man. Unfortunately, he's not running because the Republican party is worried about the wrong thing (divorces, some centrist ideals), and he's too honest for the Democrats (I'm sure they will be upset with this). He would clean the US up like he did NYC.

Can you guess the speaker?

gimmesometruth27

CH156378 wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

"I believe that Barack Obama owns the Occupy Wall Street movement," __________ said. "It would not have happened, it would not have happened but for his class warfare. And remember, as it gets worse and worse because it's going to get worse and worse, where it came from. Barack Obama. He praised it. He supported it. He agrees with it. He sympathizes with it. And as it gets worse and worse, I believe this will be the millstone around Barack Obama's neck that will take his presidency down."

"How about you occupy a job. How about working? Working. I know that's tough," __________ also said.




Truer words have never been spoken. How about you occupy a job? Love it. Very wise man. Unfortunately, he's not running because the Republican party is worried about the wrong thing (divorces, some centrist ideals), and he's too honest for the Democrats (I'm sure they will be upset with this). He would clean the US up like he did NYC.

Can you guess the speaker?

yeah what would mayor nosferatu do??

EdsonNascimento

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

yeah what would mayor nosferatu do??

So funny. You absolutely don't have it in you to give credit where credit is due. Do you remember NYC under Mayor Dinkins?

gimmesometruth27

EdsonNascimento wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

yeah what would mayor nosferatu do??

So funny. You absolutely don't have it in you to give credit where credit is due. Do you remember NYC under Mayor Dinkins?

i didn't care about new york city under dinkins.

i remember it under america's mayor, but still was not concerned about it though..