anyone that has the time to camp out to buy a tv shouldn't be buying one in the first place. If you have time on your hands like that you definately don't have a job.
I think that some of the people protesting are doing everyone a service. And some others are doing those people a great disservice.
Maybe we should focus more of our attention and energy on the protesting that is doing us a service. Any movement will have people who screw it up from within and detractors from without. There's a lot of good that can come out of OWS.
Too much attention has been focused on the various efforts to discredit OWS. How many times have we heard, "they have no objectives" when that is false? OR, the protestors are mostly "hippies and freeloaders causing trouble". Also false. Any good movement can be tweaked to make it look bad.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
anyone that has the time to camp out to buy a tv shouldn't be buying one in the first place. If you have time on your hands like that you definately don't have a job.
Los Angeles OWS shut down. Unlawful assembly was declared, paving the way for officers to begin arresting those who didn't leave. About 200 or so who broke the law BUSTED.
And, when the camp was cleared, of course it was a mess. Littered with trash.
Maybe now they can take a bath and get a job....as Newt says.
Oh, he now leads Obama ....
The former House speaker leads Obama 45%-43%, according to a Rasmussen national poll released Thursday.
Adam Corolla. He hits the nail on the head with this one! Foul language in the 9 minute audio but I encourage you to listen if you want to learn something...
Adam Corolla. He hits the nail on the head with this one! Foul language in the 9 minute audio but I encourage you to listen if you want to learn something...
, just filled with facts, :roll: :roll: :roll: makes a great argument if you don't mind ignoring Reality, Facts, Greed, here's a great example of who he talking about:
Barricades and riot gear are not provocation. Barricades were set up to prevent protesters from interfering with other people's ability to travel through those areas and to ensure that businesses in the area were able to operate without their customers being prevented from getting there and to generally ensure safety for everyone. There is no excuse for trying to push that barricade into officers who are standing there and aren't touching you in any way. There was no provocation by those officers.
Riot gear is worn to protect the officers being sent into those situations because they just might encounter some violent people (and some have, such as the officer who was slashed yesterday). What happens when people start throwing things at the police or pushing barricades into them and they have no protective gear? There have to be at least some police in riot gear in the area because if something bad does happen and there's nobody prepared to control it then it puts other people in danger. Would you really suggest that the police wait for a riot to break out before considering ways to control it?
I rarely posted in any of these occupy threads, I don't support OWS outright, I also don't want to see any NYPD or any officer hurt in that city or my city or anywhere, why would I want to see officers hurt? If I need help, I'm surely dialing 911.
But this much I just got to say, it does not matter if it is a person with a badge, a gang, a bunch of punks..whatever, Does not matter who they are, if someone is using that kind of force, such brutal force to take on a woman or a man. It is only right to get involved. Not just sing, yea? How easily one kick turns to two, and a kick in leg turns to one in the head, so to my mind anyway...Yes, I say get involved, more protesters than cops. They have no right to treat someone like that.
It could easily of been your own family member who suffers the tip of a billy club or being thrown to the ground, it could even one day be one of us, it has in some cases, and I can assure you that rubber bullets and pepper spray do no differentiate between the violent and the non violent protester.
You think the movement in India against the British was always non violent? or the struggle against apartheid South Africa was just township singing in IsiZulu? and if you or anyone else thinks that the battle for America is not like these other countries, well America, when you look at it, regardless of it's immense good, and high capacity for greatness, it's bloody hands can not be ignored, America supports dictators around the word, they have military bases, hundreds of them, secret prisons, they speak of the rule of law, but when the favor is not on their side, they turn away from that same law.
Who wants violence? Not me, I'm sure not you. But it's not just random violence trying to stop an abuse or an injustice, it is simply the right thing to do, and if they kill me trying, then fine. They will only be killing a man.
But maybe soon, and I hope not, but probability does seem high of someone being seriously injured. Maybe critically, I don't no. Let's hope not, But do you really want to be the person who stood by chanting "shame" or taking photos or just even standing watching while a cop or a group of punks or whatever beats a woman, a man, a child or any other living thing?
and btw, a barricade in this case is the provocation, the riot gear? the tear gas? what do you call that? That is the provocation.
A cops hand got slashed, yes I saw Mayor Bloomberg talking about it, he also talked about a few officers getting an "Unknown liquid, probably vinegar" being sprayed at them.
Out of the many thousands of the OWS protesters, and the many day's that have gone by, those were some of the biggest complaints many in charge had against OWS at the time, even using it as some sorta selling point to justify the need for "greater security", code for 'Control the masses'.
But what we have seen is no real surprise, the NYPD have many times over this past couple of months proven it's track record. Many officers have been violent, spraying people, violently arresting people, bullying protesters and this was long before this barricade issue and whatever else came up.
and on the barricades, you say
"Barricades were set up to prevent protesters from interfering with other people's ability to travel through those areas and to ensure that businesses in the area were able to operate without their customers being prevented from getting there and to generally ensure safety for everyone."
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Yes, I understand that...Now understand this, revolutions tend to be bad for businesses, (well maybe not all kinds of business)
Good that Business is not going on as usual and operating as usual, why should it? When we have vast spending, wars, breaking of international laws, major corruption in just about every single sector of government...Why should business go on as usual? America right now, is one of the most violent and corrupt countries in the world. They support dictators, oppressive regimes, they are killing it's own citizens via air strikes, etc etc etc.
Nothing will truly change as long as business goes on as usual. Now I know America is very special and all, but they are not that special that they can 'have it's cake and eat it too'. (excuse the overly used idiomatic proverb)
If change is to come, then more sacrifices need to be made. Also this idea that without the gentle hand of the police man..full out anarchy or something will occur, you wan't to ensure the safety? The Police should pull back and the Oligarchs should pay attention. Or as history has taught us, the empire will fall, and like most empires, it will fall by it's own doing. It's own hand.
The Oligarchy known as modern day America needs to be removed. Power should be restored to the people. Real change is needed.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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That's right FiveB247x,
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and usamamsan1, what does "esteem to be the 1%" mean? Maybe "strive to be" would make more sense.
Anyway, regarding religion in the United States, I mentioned this in another thread, the fastest growing religion in America is 'Consumerism', and like in all religions you have different levels, reaching the 1% (monetarily) is the 'nirvana' in Consumerism talk. usamamasan1, we could say that it already sorta is religion in the United States. The Church is the Mall, the religious day's are Black Friday and whatever else.
Of course what we are doing is looking at making money as being "successful", we too often measure success by our material possessions and money as who we are and what we are worth as a people, Rather we should look at our ability to not hurt one another. Both in our speech and in our actions.
Being successful in life is great... but not at the hands or at the detriment to others.
It has often been argued that this is an integral characteristic of capitalism.
I'll give the 1% some credit, they have very nice business cards.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I just got back online and started from the last page working back. But thanks for being the thread police. Let me know ahead of time what is and isn't an allowable post, mkay?
dude you are part of the 99%.
the protests.....they are on your side. don't you want a say in your govt? don't you want to see an end to war? don't you want to see an end to a system that benefits the 1% at the expense of the 99?
this movement supports you. you should think about joining. shit i bet your city has an occupy movement, we are everywhere.
Occupy wall street is over.
It was before it started.
It's done.
It didn't work.
The rich, they pay for everything. If you are not part of the middle class or upper class, look in the mirror, reflect and try to reinvent yourself.
For those of you who got a raw deal, sorry. That's life. Sometimes you can do everything within your means/skills/ambitions and still lose. Not everyone can win.
Sounds harsh, but dancing around all hippie style and there isn't even a show going down is just silly.
Occupy wall street is over.
It was before it started.
It's done.
It didn't work.
The rich, they pay for everything. If you are not part of the middle class or upper class, look in the mirror, reflect and try to reinvent yourself.
For those of you who got a raw deal, sorry. That's life. Sometimes you can do everything within your means/skills/ambitions and still lose. Not everyone can win.
Sounds harsh, but dancing around all hippie style and there isn't even a show going down is just silly.
Bub bye
how do the rich pay for everything? 400 americans own 90% of it. how are they paying for everything? our labor gives them the billions. and that's the thing. they don't just want to be millionaires, they want to be billionaires. its not enough to simply have more than their neighbor they want more than anyone.
wages have been stagnate for 40 years. while ceo salaries have risen exponentially. these simple facts show the rich are getting richer while the poor are left with more of a burden. we are paying their salary, and that's about to change. get used to it. might as well join us/.
...For those of you who got a raw deal, sorry. That's life. Sometimes you can do everything within your means/skills/ambitions and still lose. Not everyone can win....
you know what? youre right. not everyone can win.. not within the current capitalist structure. and thats why it needs to change. capitalism was never about fairness or equality or looking after your fellow man.. it was/is about maximum profits. if people get stepped on to do that, then so be it. i say feed the rich to the starving and redistribute the wealth.. that way we kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
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this is what is always posted when people don't post what AMT masses like to hear, the liberal agenda. typical.
Too much attention has been focused on the various efforts to discredit OWS. How many times have we heard, "they have no objectives" when that is false? OR, the protestors are mostly "hippies and freeloaders causing trouble". Also false. Any good movement can be tweaked to make it look bad.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
naughty or nice?
And, when the camp was cleared, of course it was a mess. Littered with trash.
Maybe now they can take a bath and get a job....as Newt says.
Oh, he now leads Obama ....
The former House speaker leads Obama 45%-43%, according to a Rasmussen national poll released Thursday.
Check out the video
I do everyday before i head to work ...
http://biggovernment.com/mrctv/2011/11/ ... eneration/
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Because THAT has been so effective... :roll:
A cops hand got slashed, yes I saw Mayor Bloomberg talking about it, he also talked about a few officers getting an "Unknown liquid, probably vinegar" being sprayed at them.
Out of the many thousands of the OWS protesters, and the many day's that have gone by, those were some of the biggest complaints many in charge had against OWS at the time, even using it as some sorta selling point to justify the need for "greater security", code for 'Control the masses'.
But what we have seen is no real surprise, the NYPD have many times over this past couple of months proven it's track record. Many officers have been violent, spraying people, violently arresting people, bullying protesters and this was long before this barricade issue and whatever else came up.
and on the barricades, you say
"Barricades were set up to prevent protesters from interfering with other people's ability to travel through those areas and to ensure that businesses in the area were able to operate without their customers being prevented from getting there and to generally ensure safety for everyone."
---
Yes, I understand that...Now understand this, revolutions tend to be bad for businesses, (well maybe not all kinds of business)
Good that Business is not going on as usual and operating as usual, why should it? When we have vast spending, wars, breaking of international laws, major corruption in just about every single sector of government...Why should business go on as usual? America right now, is one of the most violent and corrupt countries in the world. They support dictators, oppressive regimes, they are killing it's own citizens via air strikes, etc etc etc.
Nothing will truly change as long as business goes on as usual. Now I know America is very special and all, but they are not that special that they can 'have it's cake and eat it too'. (excuse the overly used idiomatic proverb)
If change is to come, then more sacrifices need to be made. Also this idea that without the gentle hand of the police man..full out anarchy or something will occur, you wan't to ensure the safety? The Police should pull back and the Oligarchs should pay attention. Or as history has taught us, the empire will fall, and like most empires, it will fall by it's own doing. It's own hand.
The Oligarchy known as modern day America needs to be removed. Power should be restored to the people. Real change is needed.
What?
In the United States of America it should be religion.
Woot
Evil wall street. Bankers. Oil companies. Oh no!!!!
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I'll give the 1% some credit, they have very nice business cards.
this is why capitalism is the problem. the predatory nature of it. it should benefit everyone instead of just those with all of the money.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
That's right FiveB247x,
-
and usamamsan1, what does "esteem to be the 1%" mean? Maybe "strive to be" would make more sense.
Anyway, regarding religion in the United States, I mentioned this in another thread, the fastest growing religion in America is 'Consumerism', and like in all religions you have different levels, reaching the 1% (monetarily) is the 'nirvana' in Consumerism talk. usamamasan1, we could say that it already sorta is religion in the United States. The Church is the Mall, the religious day's are Black Friday and whatever else.
Of course what we are doing is looking at making money as being "successful", we too often measure success by our material possessions and money as who we are and what we are worth as a people, Rather we should look at our ability to not hurt one another. Both in our speech and in our actions.
That is maybe the 1% we should strive for?
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
the protests.....they are on your side. don't you want a say in your govt? don't you want to see an end to war? don't you want to see an end to a system that benefits the 1% at the expense of the 99?
this movement supports you. you should think about joining. shit i bet your city has an occupy movement, we are everywhere.
Seriously, I'm not sure what you mean in your post, please explain.
It was before it started.
It's done.
It didn't work.
The rich, they pay for everything. If you are not part of the middle class or upper class, look in the mirror, reflect and try to reinvent yourself.
For those of you who got a raw deal, sorry. That's life. Sometimes you can do everything within your means/skills/ambitions and still lose. Not everyone can win.
Sounds harsh, but dancing around all hippie style and there isn't even a show going down is just silly.
Bub bye
wages have been stagnate for 40 years. while ceo salaries have risen exponentially. these simple facts show the rich are getting richer while the poor are left with more of a burden. we are paying their salary, and that's about to change. get used to it. might as well join us/.
you know what? youre right. not everyone can win.. not within the current capitalist structure. and thats why it needs to change. capitalism was never about fairness or equality or looking after your fellow man.. it was/is about maximum profits. if people get stepped on to do that, then so be it. i say feed the rich to the starving and redistribute the wealth.. that way we kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say