PJ 20 Book - Where's Abbruzzese?

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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    dave a. needs to do drum shop tour and play along to PJ songs so you fanboys can get your fill.

    we're not going to ever get the story. he is never coming back. doc and the delorean can't transport you back to the early 90's.

    this thread will be locked.
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  • keroua99
    keroua99 Posts: 17
    I'm reading Everybody Loves Our Town by Mark Yarm right now and there is tons of stuff about Dave A. in there, including his own version of how things went down
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,825
    Stop the IBTL shit

    Please!!!!

    Do you like muzzles?

    I don't see any name calling, just a lil debate

    Respect eachothers opinions

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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Wink wrote:

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  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    PJammin' wrote:
    The alpha and the omega of Pearl Jam.

    Lol @ calling Dave A fans fanboys and then saying that about Matt.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    NO FIGHTING IN THE DAVE A ROOM!
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  • jwagner
    jwagner Posts: 435
    PJammin' wrote:
    dave a. needs to do drum shop tour and play along to PJ songs so you fanboys can get your fill.

    we're not going to ever get the story. he is never coming back. doc and the delorean can't transport you back to the early 90's.

    this thread will be locked.

    Seriously, some people need to go back and look at the original post. This is not a question about what and how the rift between Dave A. and PJ happened, or about his drumming talents. I don't want to go back to the early '90s and I don't consider myself a Dave A. "fanboy." It was just a simple "hmm, hardly any Dave A. pix in this book at all" observation. I thought it was a little weird that he wouldn't at least be acknowledged a bit more, considering his role in the band at such an intense point in their career. But as others have said here, he is given props in the text now and again.

    Geezus, people, read the original post before posting. Damn.
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  • thisisthisisthisisthisis
    thisisthisisthisisthisis Posts: 50
    BinFrog wrote:
    I just find it weird how much they have shunned him. Especially after all these years.

    They hardly show him in the book, and they have minimum footage from 93 and 94 in the movie. Blood is from the '95 tour. The movie is mostly about the first 5 years and all they went through, and Dave was a huge part of the whole story in those formative years. We all get the fact that Ed and Dave did not get along and they fired him along those lines, but the fact remains: Dave was every bit as important in the early years as anyone. It's pretty crazy that after all these years they couldn't rise above whatever went down and just let the story unfold while including Dave. There must be some really bad blood there.

    Huh? Explain that again to me.

    How was he "every bit as important in the early years as anyone" and yet he got fired and the band got better?

    He was not that important. He wasn't a core writer and he wasn't in Matt's league as a drummer. It's just not that important.
  • JasonE
    JasonE Posts: 531
    thisisthisisthisisthisis wrote:
    How was he "every bit as important in the early years as anyone" and yet he got fired and the band got better?

    Band got better after Vs. and Vitalogy?!? No fucking way. Look, I love all their albums, No Code, Yield, etc... and nobody on the planet puts on a better live show to this day, but to say the albums and band got better is ridiculous. Give fucking amazing credit where credit is due. Personal issues are just that but Dave A. was a big part of those unbelievable albums and period. He was, after all, part of the band.
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  • rival.
    rival. Chicago Posts: 7,775
    what is everyone fighting about? we all know jack irons was pearl jam's best drummer. ;)

    it's pretty simple. dave, jack, matt... all equally important pieces of the pearl jam pie.

    dave was perfect for the vs/vitalogy aggression era. jack was perfect for the yield/no code artsy creative era. and matt was the perfect man for taking the reins in '98 giving the band for the longevity opportunity it's had today where people can talk about 20th anniversary backpacks and shit.

    all equally important and all as much of pearl jam as the other members.
  • thisisthisisthisisthisis
    thisisthisisthisisthisis Posts: 50
    JasonE wrote:
    thisisthisisthisisthisis wrote:
    How was he "every bit as important in the early years as anyone" and yet he got fired and the band got better?

    Band got better after Vs. and Vitalogy?!? No fucking way. Look, I love all their albums, No Code, Yield, etc... and nobody on the planet puts on a better live show to this day, but to say the albums and band got better is ridiculous. Give fucking amazing credit where credit is due. Personal issues are just that but Dave A. was a big part of those unbelievable albums and period. He was, after all, part of the band.

    Yield and No Code are light years ahead of any previous PJ work, IMO.

    And Matt Cameron technically is light years ahead of Dave as a drummer. That's really not arguable.
  • GTFLYGIRL
    GTFLYGIRL NewYork Posts: 788
    gndcd402 wrote:
    Some certain member of the band needs to put his middle-school-esque grudge behind him. ?

    What are you talking about? Who are you to judge about how the band feels about dave and especially without knowing what really went down between people.... maybe they know that "leopards can't change their spots..." and they don't like his spots. Or HIM... Or maybe they know that chameleons DO change their colors... and they don't really like chameleons.

    Look through the place/date book and see how the band chose to represent him then... pics of him icing his wrists... pic of jeff throwing a punch at him... dave was in the band... three out of twenty years... time to let the band tell THEIR story... the way they want to... (and for the film the way the film maker wanted to... he was around the whole time and has had his own take on things as well....)

    Even though it is silly to talk numbers... i choose to... ;)

    So here's some math for you....

    Let's figure... dave was in the band for about three out of twenty years... so his "percentage" would be 15% ... (20 x5=100 and 3x5=15.) we could do it by albums, songs, and live performances too... but the numbers would get even more complicated then! 8-)

    Anyway... as i was "saying" ... so... it wasn't a film or book about PJ drummers over the years... it was a book and film about PJ... five guys in pearl jam... so i would divide that 15% by five and think he accounts for about 3%... and that's about what they gave him. :lol:
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    jwagner wrote:
    PJammin' wrote:
    dave a. needs to do drum shop tour and play along to PJ songs so you fanboys can get your fill.

    we're not going to ever get the story. he is never coming back. doc and the delorean can't transport you back to the early 90's.

    this thread will be locked.

    Seriously, some people need to go back and look at the original post. This is not a question about what and how the rift between Dave A. and PJ happened, or about his drumming talents. I don't want to go back to the early '90s and I don't consider myself a Dave A. "fanboy." It was just a simple "hmm, hardly any Dave A. pix in this book at all" observation. I thought it was a little weird that he wouldn't at least be acknowledged a bit more, considering his role in the band at such an intense point in their career. But as others have said here, he is given props in the text now and again.

    Geezus, people, read the original post before posting. Damn.

    i wasn't directing anything at you. i did read the original post. i simply posted what i did because people are always jacking off dave a. on this forum and it's been, what, 17 years since he last played with them. he wouldn't even fit in with pearl jam now. in response the the original post, the lack of dave a. pics is not surprising or weird given he was only in the band for 5 seconds. matt cameron played on the demos and is the drummer now and has been for quite some time. people need to get over dave a.
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    JasonE wrote:
    ...but to say the albums and band got better is ridiculous.

    actually, it's not.
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • rival.
    rival. Chicago Posts: 7,775
    thisisthisisthisisthisis wrote:
    Yield and No Code are light years ahead of any previous PJ work, IMO.

    And Matt Cameron technically is light years ahead of Dave as a drummer. That's really not arguable.

    agreed.

    the shift from vitalogy to no code is one of the most important stages in the band's career. not throwing vitalogy under the bus because it is in my top 3, but you went from ed writing a bunch of songs on guitar, to the band collectively putting their creativity juices to the test. jeff even mentions this during single video theory, that we might have to "rename the band." that work was way beyond anything we saw on ten/vs/vitalogy.
  • JasonE
    JasonE Posts: 531
    PJammin' wrote:
    JasonE wrote:
    ...but to say the albums and band got better is ridiculous.

    actually, it's not.

    Vs. and Vitalogy are 2 of their best albums hands down. I would throw Ten and No Code in there but those are my top 4.
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  • JasonE
    JasonE Posts: 531
    thisisthisisthisisthisis wrote:
    JasonE wrote:
    thisisthisisthisisthisis wrote:
    How was he "every bit as important in the early years as anyone" and yet he got fired and the band got better?

    Band got better after Vs. and Vitalogy?!? No fucking way. Look, I love all their albums, No Code, Yield, etc... and nobody on the planet puts on a better live show to this day, but to say the albums and band got better is ridiculous. Give fucking amazing credit where credit is due. Personal issues are just that but Dave A. was a big part of those unbelievable albums and period. He was, after all, part of the band.

    Yield and No Code are light years ahead of any previous PJ work, IMO.

    You're entitled to your opinion but I disagree. I love Yield and No Code but Vs. and Vitalogy.... really, they speak for themselves.
    "If you're not confused, you're not paying attention."

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  • jordan k
    jordan k Posts: 196
    Heres the thing, yes Dave A was important to the band, he did a good job. But to say he was one of the biggest reasons for success is probably not realistic. As i seem to remember, he wasn't writing many if any of the songs. if he isnt writing the songs, he isn't the reason for success.

    Now if you want to argue that Lars Ulrich or Neil Pert are a big part of the reason for their bands success, well then I'm with you.
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  • animus
    animus Twin Cities area Posts: 530
    SolarWorld wrote:
    JTH wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    ... who the he'll needs 15 fucking cymbals on their kit anyways?
    That's not the actual number is it? Shit, Nicko McBrain doesn't even have that many (even if you include the gong).

    I'm exaggerating, but when you hear more crashes than actual beat there is a problem :).

    haha its one of the things that sticks out most about his drumming to me and his close-open hihat stroke while on the ride.
  • JasonE
    JasonE Posts: 531
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, obviously, and I wasn't there to see what happened behind the scenes but he was the drummer in the band that I fell in love with back then. Still love them, absolutely, words can't express but I'll never forget Dave A and the fact he was 1 of a small group of 5 that became one of the most important things in my life.
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