PJ 20 Book - Where's Abbruzzese?

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  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    Again, you are projecting YOUR opinion. You don't know how integral he was, you are just guessing, he obviously was an overall NEGATIVE during this time or he wouldn't have been fired!

    Bottom line if he wasn't just the drummer I'm sure they would have found a way to make it work. His personal relationship with members of the band obviously got in the way of the music. They made a change and they made it as private as they could. Why cant you accept that? Dave has never publicly said anything negative about the band, I guarantee there are NDAs in place.
  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    SolarWorld wrote:
    Again, you are projecting YOUR opinion. You don't know how integral he was, you are just guessing, he obviously was an overall NEGATIVE during this time or he wouldn't have been fired!

    Bottom line if he wasn't just the drummer I'm sure they would have found a way to make it work. His personal relationship with members of the band obviously got in the way of the music. They made a change and they made it as private as they could. Why cant you accept that? Dave has never publicly said anything negative about the band, I guarantee there are NDAs in place.


    I'm not projecting anything. He was integral: period. Listen to the music. Watch the dvds from that era. Musically, Dave was a huge part of it all.

    Dave has certainly taken the higher road. He never says anything negative and seems to look back fondly on his time in the band.
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  • JTH
    JTH Chicago Posts: 3,238
    SolarWorld wrote:
    ... who the he'll needs 15 fucking cymbals on their kit anyways?
    That's not the actual number is it? Shit, Nicko McBrain doesn't even have that many (even if you include the gong).
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    You are stating your opinion as fact, like I said before, I can't stand some of the early live stuff because of his damn cymbals... Crash crash crash! They had used THREE drummers for the early music before Dave even got there, he's not a s special as you think he is.
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    JTH wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    ... who the he'll needs 15 fucking cymbals on their kit anyways?
    That's not the actual number is it? Shit, Nicko McBrain doesn't even have that many (even if you include the gong).

    I'm exaggerating, but when you hear more crashes than actual beat there is a problem :).
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    SolarWorld wrote:
    I really don't know how people don't understand this...

    Dave didnt mesh great with the group, we know he broke a special guitar to Ed and didn't want to take responsibility for it. Probably the last straw, they fired his ass, he probably got a lawyer and sued the group, then a settlement, then NDAs. Get over it, move on like the rest of the group.

    Again, he meshed with the group fine, going by quotes in the book. It's clear he didn't get on with Ed, who didn't then and doesn't now wanna look like a baby or asshole or whatever.

    I dunno where you get that he didn't wanna take responsibility for the breaking the guitar. He was running around b/c he had to leave early and accidentally knocked it over, but still had to leave. Says it right in the book.

    Whether or not anything negative would come from telling more of the Dave story is anybody's guess, but people are still gonna be curious so get over yourself.

    I don't care whether they disclose shit either way. I think most fans have a pretty good handle on what happened, anyway.


    If you can't hear the impact that he had on Vs. and the live shows at the time, you're deaf. No skin off my back if you dislike the way he drums but he did have a big effect on their sound.
  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    SolarWorld wrote:
    You are stating your opinion as fact, like I said before, I can't stand some of the early live stuff because of his damn cymbals... Crash crash crash! They had used THREE drummers for the early music before Dave even got there, he's not a s special as you think he is.


    We're going to have to agree to disagree I think. It's all good.

    3 drummers or not, Dave recorded VS and Vitalogy with them, and toured with them during those years when they exploded into the biggest band in the world. You are also projecting your dislike of his style into your opinion too. Not liking the cymbal (over)use does not mean he wasn't important.
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  • coco butter
    coco butter Posts: 1,494
    SolarWorld wrote:
    I really don't know how people don't understand this...

    Dave didnt mesh great with the group, we know he broke a special guitar to Ed and didn't want to take responsibility for it. Probably the last straw, they fired his ass, he probably got a lawyer and sued the group, then a settlement, then NDAs. Get over it, move on like the rest of the group.

    What's the story behind this special guitar to Ed that he broke? I've been following the band for almost 20 years and never heard this one. Please indulge...
    Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked... in the head... with an iron boot? Of course you don't, no one does. It never happens. Sorry, Ted, that's a dumb question... skip that.
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    BinFrog wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    You are stating your opinion as fact, like I said before, I can't stand some of the early live stuff because of his damn cymbals... Crash crash crash! They had used THREE drummers for the early music before Dave even got there, he's not a s special as you think he is.


    We're going to have to agree to disagree I think. It's all good.

    3 drummers or not, Dave recorded VS and Vitalogy with them, and toured with them during those years when they exploded into the biggest band in the world. You are also projecting your dislike of his style into your opinion too. Not liking the cymbal (over)use does not mean he wasn't important.

    Let's be honest here for a second, the reason PJ exploded into the biggest band in the world at the time is because of Ed, you obviously have to be accomplished to play music at this level but Ed is the main reason they blew up, not because of Dave and his awesome drumming.
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    coco butter wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    I really don't know how people don't understand this...

    Dave didnt mesh great with the group, we know he broke a special guitar to Ed and didn't want to take responsibility for it. Probably the last straw, they fired his ass, he probably got a lawyer and sued the group, then a settlement, then NDAs. Get over it, move on like the rest of the group.

    What's the story behind this special guitar to Ed that he broke? I've been following the band for almost 20 years and never heard this one. Please indulge...

    You gotta get the book man! :) It was news to me too, the thing is loaded with little gems like this one...
  • coco butter
    coco butter Posts: 1,494
    Oh its in the book. Ok... I was apparently getting it for a birthday present at the end of next month. Damn looks like i will be stopping at Target this weekend.
    Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked... in the head... with an iron boot? Of course you don't, no one does. It never happens. Sorry, Ted, that's a dumb question... skip that.
  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Any grudge, I don't see it being on Dave's side. If so, then why would he post a nice reminiscent video like this on his personal youtube page? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe47yE8uXsI

    Their first album was great, which Krusen played on, but their live shows (and illegal bootlegs) are what made them absolute legends, and Abbruzzese was the propellant for their music to be accelerated by. It pushed the Ten material to another level.

    Then Vs, with Dave's playing, made their second album the fastest selling album ever in a 5 day period.


    I don't think the band sees what he did for the music. I mean, how often did they listen to their own shows after the fact?
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    *NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
    *MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
    *Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
    *Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
    *Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
    *VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
    *EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
    *Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    If Dave was/is so awesome, what has he done of note besides the Pear Jam records? Not much... Must be because he was so awesome...
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,595
    All i know is that my favorite boot at the moment is The vault # 1 and the drumming is one of the biggest reasons i like it so much ....
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  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    SolarWorld wrote:
    Let's be honest here for a second, the reason PJ exploded into the biggest band in the world at the time is because of Ed, you obviously have to be accomplished to play music at this level but Ed is the main reason they blew up, not because of Dave and his awesome drumming.


    Find the part where I said it was all due to Dave?
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  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    SolarWorld wrote:
    If Dave was/is so awesome, what has he done of note besides the Pear Jam records? Not much... Must be because he was so awesome...


    :roll:

    Wiser words have often been said.


    josevolution wrote:
    All i know is that my favorite boot at the moment is The vault # 1 and the drumming is one of the biggest reasons i like it so much ....


    Indeed. 8-)
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    *Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
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  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    SolarWorld wrote:
    If Dave was/is so awesome, what has he done of note besides the Pear Jam records? Not much... Must be because he was so awesome...


    Entirely not the point.
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    Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    BinFrog wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    If Dave was/is so awesome, what has he done of note besides the Pear Jam records? Not much... Must be because he was so awesome...


    Entirely not the point.


    Don't try to talk logic to the illogical.
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    *Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
    *Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    they put this guy instead at the book..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX1ciXBq ... re=related
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  • lowbudgetlush
    lowbudgetlush Posts: 612
    SolarWorld wrote:
    If Dave was/is so awesome, what has he done of note besides the Pear Jam records? Not much... Must be because he was so awesome...

    Anything that Ed is not a part of basically tanks so this argument doesn't hold any water with me.

    Three fish
    Wellwater conspiracy
    Brad
    Tres mtns.
    The rockfords

    All of these have been pretty unsuccessful. I wouldn't call the members in these bands as unimportant.
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