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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Something I never completely understood, maybe some of you can shed some light on this.
    How do team managers decide how/where to keep middle relief pitchers like David Robertson who has amazing success? Do they consider making a guy like this a starter, or does he just not have enough stamina?

    I got to thinking about this because he is obviously young and good. But we saw the ups and downs of Joba..
    Also I was wondering what it would be like to only pitch 1 inning at a time (but obviously more often). Some pitchers take a bit of time or a few innings to get in a groove.

    What will Robertsons future look like?
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  • Newch91
    Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Something I never completely understood, maybe some of you can shed some light on this.
    How do team managers decide how/where to keep middle relief pitchers like David Robertson who has amazing success? Do they consider making a guy like this a starter, or does he just not have enough stamina?

    I got to thinking about this because he is obviously young and good. But we saw the ups and downs of Joba..
    Also I was wondering what it would be like to only pitch 1 inning at a time (but obviously more often). Some pitchers take a bit of time or a few innings to get in a groove.

    What will Robertsons future look like?
    I think Robertson might take Mo's place when he retires and come in the 9th to save the game.
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Something I never completely understood, maybe some of you can shed some light on this.
    How do team managers decide how/where to keep middle relief pitchers like David Robertson who has amazing success? Do they consider making a guy like this a starter, or does he just not have enough stamina?

    I got to thinking about this because he is obviously young and good. But we saw the ups and downs of Joba..
    Also I was wondering what it would be like to only pitch 1 inning at a time (but obviously more often). Some pitchers take a bit of time or a few innings to get in a groove.

    What will Robertsons future look like?

    Bullpen guys usually only have 1 or 2 good pitches, since they face a batter only once. Starters need 3 or 4 to get by, so as to get the same guys out 3 or 4 times in one game. Almost any starter can be a good relief pitcher. The vice versa is not true by any means.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Something I never completely understood, maybe some of you can shed some light on this.
    How do team managers decide how/where to keep middle relief pitchers like David Robertson who has amazing success? Do they consider making a guy like this a starter, or does he just not have enough stamina?

    I got to thinking about this because he is obviously young and good. But we saw the ups and downs of Joba..
    Also I was wondering what it would be like to only pitch 1 inning at a time (but obviously more often). Some pitchers take a bit of time or a few innings to get in a groove.

    What will Robertsons future look like?

    Bullpen guys usually only have 1 or 2 good pitches, since they face a batter only once. Starters need 3 or 4 to get by, so as to get the same guys out 3 or 4 times in one game. Almost any starter can be a good relief pitcher. The vice versa is not true by any means.

    And this is exactly why I had such an issue with Joba being forced into the pen. He had 4 pitches. The Yankees jerked him around like no other. Give him a shot to start and if he fails put him in the bullpen, not the other way around.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    Oh and Robertson is awesome. Almost 14 k's per 9.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Something I never completely understood, maybe some of you can shed some light on this.
    How do team managers decide how/where to keep middle relief pitchers like David Robertson who has amazing success? Do they consider making a guy like this a starter, or does he just not have enough stamina?

    I got to thinking about this because he is obviously young and good. But we saw the ups and downs of Joba..
    Also I was wondering what it would be like to only pitch 1 inning at a time (but obviously more often). Some pitchers take a bit of time or a few innings to get in a groove.

    What will Robertsons future look like?

    Bullpen guys usually only have 1 or 2 good pitches, since they face a batter only once. Starters need 3 or 4 to get by, so as to get the same guys out 3 or 4 times in one game. Almost any starter can be a good relief pitcher. The vice versa is not true by any means.

    ahh, that makes sense, thanks.
    Newch, I agree it would be nice to see him take Mo's place when that time comes.
    14K per 9 innings? awesome!
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    And this is exactly why I had such an issue with Joba being forced into the pen. He had 4 pitches. The Yankees jerked him around like no other. Give him a shot to start and if he fails put him in the bullpen, not the other way around.

    That organization really screwed the pooch on that one.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    And this is exactly why I had such an issue with Joba being forced into the pen. He had 4 pitches. The Yankees jerked him around like no other. Give him a shot to start and if he fails put him in the bullpen, not the other way around.

    That organization really screwed the pooch on that one.

    That they did. Big time. No way around that.
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    And this is exactly why I had such an issue with Joba being forced into the pen. He had 4 pitches. The Yankees jerked him around like no other. Give him a shot to start and if he fails put him in the bullpen, not the other way around.

    That organization really screwed the pooch on that one.

    That they did. Big time. No way around that.

    Everyone makes mistakes. Phillies traded Placido Polanco for Ugueth Urbina, and kept David Bell at 3B. :roll:
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Everyone makes mistakes. Phillies traded Placido Polanco for Ugueth Urbina, and kept David Bell at 3B. :roll:

    For sure, the Joba one is just more scary than a bad trade or two. They have absolutely butchered his career.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    igotid88 wrote:
    xavier mcdaniel wrote:
    looks like the Yankees are promoting Betances to Triple-A.

    is this their way of saying Colon or Garcia won't be back?

    I don't think so. I think it's their way of saying he's ready for Triple-A. I am pretty certain one of Colon or Garcia will not be back next year though.

    I would love to make my way up to Scranton over the next couple days though if Banuelos or Betances are throwing with Arod being there an all.
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Everyone makes mistakes. Phillies traded Placido Polanco for Ugueth Urbina, and kept David Bell at 3B. :roll:

    For sure, the Joba one is just more scary than a bad trade or two. They have absolutely butchered his career.

    Sometimes the inmates (owners) run the asylum. Like the Phils trading away Cliff Lee for 3 mediocre prospects.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Everyone makes mistakes. Phillies traded Placido Polanco for Ugueth Urbina, and kept David Bell at 3B. :roll:

    For sure, the Joba one is just more scary than a bad trade or two. They have absolutely butchered his career.

    Sometimes the inmates (owners) run the asylum. Like the Phils trading away Cliff Lee for 3 mediocre prospects.

    True, true. And the Yankees signing Soriano to an obscene contract.
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,629
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Something I never completely understood, maybe some of you can shed some light on this.
    How do team managers decide how/where to keep middle relief pitchers like David Robertson who has amazing success? Do they consider making a guy like this a starter, or does he just not have enough stamina?

    I got to thinking about this because he is obviously young and good. But we saw the ups and downs of Joba..
    Also I was wondering what it would be like to only pitch 1 inning at a time (but obviously more often). Some pitchers take a bit of time or a few innings to get in a groove.

    What will Robertsons future look like?

    Bullpen guys usually only have 1 or 2 good pitches, since they face a batter only once. Starters need 3 or 4 to get by, so as to get the same guys out 3 or 4 times in one game. Almost any starter can be a good relief pitcher. The vice versa is not true by any means.


    Robertson has 3 good pitches. I believe Joba could have been a good starter if he was given a chance. I also believe Mo could have been too. But he was so great out of the bullpen in 95 that they decided to keep him there.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    Jeters still hitting and Burnett is still frustrating as hell. That walk to melky after being 0-2 was as frustrating as it gets. Got really lucky with that beautiful double play.
  • xavier mcdaniel
    xavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,435
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jeters still hitting and Burnett is still frustrating as hell. That walk to melky after being 0-2 was as frustrating as it gets. Got really lucky with that beautiful double play.

    That inning was quite the comedic shitshow on twitter.
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  • igotid88
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    AJ Burnett finally wins in August for the Yankees
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  • neilybabes86
    neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    Wacky game in the making

    3 innings played in a quick 1 hour 40 min :?
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  • neilybabes86
    neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    U knew cano was gonna get that pitch eventually...what a bomb

    Now we are at 1 hour and 45 min with only 3 complete innings :lol:
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  • Newch91
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    Hello first place.
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