Man to be executed for "revenge killings" for 9/11 attacks
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Killing is wrong. Period.
The only excuse I can think of is self defense. No, not defense of your car or TV, but defense of your life in that very moment. Other than that, no way.Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V0 -
Death sentences is flawed because of people like you who act as if the murder is the victim. The only reason the death penalty is argued to be more expensive than life in prison is because the same liberals that oppose the death penalty, are the ones who fight for it to be done in the most humane way possible, aka the most expensive. The government now has to buy different doses of lethal serums from private companies, which are able to jack up the price to astronomical levels. The result: Anti-death penalty supporters claim it is too 'expensive'.JonnyPistachio wrote:its not that he deserves that right, its that the government shouldnt be the one to decide whether or not he has that right. Again, there have been mistakes concerning the DP, and the governments way of handing out death sentences is flawed, overly expensive, not a deterrent, has killed innocent people, and only serves as punishment and revenge. STOP saying we are acting as if the murderer is a victim!!! he desrves life in prison. Its annoying as shit that people like you would suggest that we think this murderer is a victim. ridiculous.
It certainly is a deterant. Ignore people who say it isn't. For as many studies that say it isn't a deterant, not only are there more to counter that, but it follows common logic. Why do we have order in society? Because of the threat of punishment under the law. Why don't I go up and punch everyone I don't like? Because of consequences. How wouldn't the final act of death be a deterant?0 -
haha ONLY YOUR LIFE... How selfish of you. So what your saying is if your wife, children or a stranger are getting raped, beaten, stabbed, don't bother helping?...keeponrockin wrote:Killing is wrong. Period.
The only excuse I can think of is self defense. No, not defense of your car or TV, but defense of your life in that very moment. Other than that, no way.0 -
Dude you need to quit posting. I have asked several time to post your stats on where the US leads in Violent crime/murders. You have repeated this over and over without providing any actual facts. I KNOW that US does not lead in violent crime.polaris_x wrote:Blockhead wrote:Then why does the murder deserve the right to live?
it's about what kind of society you want to live in ... think about this ... what was this guy's motivation for his killing!? ... ignorance and revenge ... this is what the death penalty is ...
americans are killing innocent people all over the world in the name of democracy and freedom ... fueled by ignorance ...
like i said earlier ... america leads the developed world in violent crime ... by a landslide ... is it a coincidence that a culture that answers conflicts with violence also has so much at home? ... violence begets violence ...
WHy do you keep saying it?0 -
Blockhead wrote:
No I am using your logic...Prince Of Dorkness wrote:Blockhead wrote:Isn't that what the person did when the comitted the murder?
You're using mass murdereres as role models now?
He did it so that makes it ok?
A very interesting stance.
Hm.. Really?
Because my "logic" is that killing a person for killing a person makes us no better than the person who killed a person. And I'd like to think we're better than that.
But you go ahead... explain how you're using my "logic."
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What percent in all of US population is DP?Byrnzie wrote:
I will now use that percent and apply it to everything.0 -
Blockhead wrote:
haha ONLY YOUR LIFE... How selfish of you. So what your saying is if your wife, children or a stranger are getting raped, beaten, stabbed, don't bother helping?...keeponrockin wrote:Killing is wrong. Period.
The only excuse I can think of is self defense. No, not defense of your car or TV, but defense of your life in that very moment. Other than that, no way.
Ah.. the "let's derail this argument I'm losing with unrelated hypotheticals."
You're good at those.
Back to topic please.
The people of the US were no longer in danger from this man who was in jail and wasn't in the act of raping anyone's mom.
How does killing him now make us any better than him?0 -
Sorry, howabout defense of someone in that very moment, and as soon as everyone is safe, stop the violence.Blockhead wrote:
haha ONLY YOUR LIFE... How selfish of you. So what your saying is if your wife, children or a stranger are getting raped, beaten, stabbed, don't bother helping?...keeponrockin wrote:Killing is wrong. Period.
The only excuse I can think of is self defense. No, not defense of your car or TV, but defense of your life in that very moment. Other than that, no way.
Killing to avenge killing doesn't make anything better.Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V0 -
So your "logic" is that killing makes you no better than a murder?Prince Of Dorkness wrote:Hm.. Really?
Because my "logic" is that killing a person for killing a person makes us no better than the person who killed a person. And I'd like to think we're better than that.
But you go ahead... explain how you're using my "logic."
This should be good.
So "if"(I know your gay) you had a wife and child and someone breaks into your house and proceeds to rape your wife and child, you would just watch?0 -
Blockhead wrote:What percent in all of US population is DP?
I will now use that percent and apply it to everything.
Knock yerself out!
Your question is completely irrelevant.
If the U.S state only snuffed out the life of just one of it's citizens every year it would still be an act of collective sickness.0 -
Blockhead wrote:So your "logic" is that killing makes you no better than a murder?
So "if"(I know your gay) you had a wife and child and someone breaks into your house and proceeds to rape your wife and child, you would just watch?
Wait... this man who was executed was in the process of raping a woman and a child when they executed him?
what kind of prison system do you people HAVE, for fuck's sake?0 -
Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:EdsonNascimento wrote:I didn't notice any quotes from the 2 dead people.
I'm pretty sure if someone killed me I wouldn't want them killed in my name. I'd want them rotting in prison in my name, but not killed.
Very well. But how does that apply to 2 people you don't know? Would you like me (or someone else) to determine how you should think?
And these people are not being killed in the "victim's name." It is part of the penal code of Texas. So, what you think you would want if you were dead is completely irrelevant. My only point was - we are holding up the LIVING victim whose crime would not have been punishable by death as proof that the DP is a bad thing in this case. Again, I'm not saying it is or it isn't. I'm just saying that that argument is specious at best.Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
Blockhead wrote:
Death sentences is flawed because of people like you who act as if the murder is the victim. The only reason the death penalty is argued to be more expensive than life in prison is because the same liberals that oppose the death penalty, are the ones who fight for it to be done in the most humane way possible, aka the most expensive. The government now has to buy different doses of lethal serums from private companies, which are able to jack up the price to astronomical levels. The result: Anti-death penalty supporters claim it is too 'expensive'.JonnyPistachio wrote:its not that he deserves that right, its that the government shouldnt be the one to decide whether or not he has that right. Again, there have been mistakes concerning the DP, and the governments way of handing out death sentences is flawed, overly expensive, not a deterrent, has killed innocent people, and only serves as punishment and revenge. STOP saying we are acting as if the murderer is a victim!!! he desrves life in prison. Its annoying as shit that people like you would suggest that we think this murderer is a victim. ridiculous.
It certainly is a deterant. Ignore people who say it isn't. For as many studies that say it isn't a deterant, not only are there more to counter that, but it follows common logic. Why do we have order in society? Because of the threat of punishment under the law. Why don't I go up and punch everyone I don't like? Because of consequences. How wouldn't the final act of death be a deterant?
Again with your ridiculous assumptions that we believe the murderer is a victim. Haha, you're too funny. But, you'll never understand. I used to be like you, but later I was able to think about it without blinders on and stop assuming ridiculous things like you do.
So, not only do you want to kill people with the DP, but you want to do it with the electric chair, which has been proven to be torture under certain circumstances. How about we just go back to firing squad or guillotine?? Oh yeah, since we are just acting like the murderer, maybe he/she should be killed in the same way as his victim. What dont we go 100% barbaric?
The high cost of DP is not only the result of the method... it is MOSTLY he countless appeals. VERY costly to taxpayers. You have a problem helping out people on welfare, but you'd like to waste your money on DP appeals?
The actual DP is not a good deterrent. Punishment for crimes is sometimes a deterrent but when it comes to murder, these people do not expect to get caught or even think about the consequences. "laws..and Follows common logic"?!!?! hahah, again you're proving that your argument is ridiculous right there..murderers arent following "common logic" to begin with. DP is not a deterrent, plain and simple.
And please answer one question: What do you have to say about any ONE person who has been innocently executed by the government?Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)0 -
Do you need help comprehending questions. You were talking about DP not this specific case. You said killing a murder makes you no better than a murder.Prince Of Dorkness wrote:Blockhead wrote:So your "logic" is that killing makes you no better than a murder?
So "if"(I know your gay) you had a wife and child and someone breaks into your house and proceeds to rape your wife and child, you would just watch?
Wait... this man who was executed was in the process of raping a woman and a child when they executed him?
what kind of prison system do you people HAVE, for fuck's sake?0 -
i would appreciate you debating the topic instead of being so condescending and implying that my brain could not comprehend this horendous crime. personal attacks as a sign that you are losing the debate and losing your cool.Blockhead wrote:Would you rather not exist or experience life in a prison?
Why does someone who does horrendous crimes (that your brain won't even allow you to imagine) be allowed to live a fairly comfortable life in prison with all the benefits (i.e food, shelter, cable tv, internet access, visitations, phone calls, letters, etc.). All the while my family member is long dead because of this *******. That isn't balance of nature.
and back to your post.
who put you in charge of balancing nature? it is not your responsibility, nor is it your responsibility to decide who gets to appeal and who has to accept and have this sentence carried out. you are not the punisher.
and i would rather be dead if i could not live free, outside of prison walls. so to me life in prison would be a worse punishment than death.
the bottom line is this guy was no longer a threat to society and was not going to be raping anybody's mom from the minute he was arrested. he was incapacitated and not a danger to anyone else. yet texas killed him anyway. is spite of pleas from the REAL victim in this case.
this is nto the fucking dark ages where people would beg the king for mercy only to be executed to set an example of the king's power. we live in a society here."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Blockhead wrote:
Again,polaris_x wrote:the death penalty only serves the appetite for revenge ... nothing more ... sure, the perpetrator will not be able to kill anyone else but it does not act as a deterrent to would be murderers ... life in prison would in most situations accomplish the same thing ...
again - one has to ask themselves why in such a land of opportunities and freedoms does the US lead the developed countries in violent crime statistics by a landslide? ...
why do you keep posting this?
The death penalty doesn't deter crime and the homicide rate in the U.S. leads Western countries. That's probably why they keep posting this.0 -
I'd like to see the answer to this as well.JonnyPistachio wrote:
And please answer one question: What do you have to say about any ONE person who has been innocently executed by the government?Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V0 -
I have to do some digging, but I have seen several interviews.. one of which a guy who was wrongfully convicted and sentenced to DP and he was later proven to be innocent before his execution. He spent decades in jail and was finally released. Once released, he said that he would've chosen death over life in prison. Some think one is worst than the other, but life sentences are no walk in the park..Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)0
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if it is such a deterrant, why are there so many murders???Blockhead wrote:It certainly is a deterant. Ignore people who say it isn't. For as many studies that say it isn't a deterant, not only are there more to counter that, but it follows common logic. Why do we have order in society? Because of the threat of punishment under the law. Why don't I go up and punch everyone I don't like? Because of consequences. How wouldn't the final act of death be a deterant?
i guarantee some person is going to read about this case, read that the guy was killed by the state, and still go out and commit that premeditated murder because he thinks he will never be caught or that he will never be killed due to the 15 years it takes to carry out the sentence.
i think you don't go around punching everyone you don't like is not because of legal consequences. it might be because you are afraid you might punch the wrong person, a trained fighter such as myself, or you might be just a bit more sensible than some of your posts would suggest. either way it is a poor analogy to compare the dp deterring murder in the same way a simple battery charge deters people from punching people they don't like.."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0
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