The only excuse I can think of is self defense. No, not defense of your car or TV, but defense of your life in that very moment. Other than that, no way.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
its not that he deserves that right, its that the government shouldnt be the one to decide whether or not he has that right. Again, there have been mistakes concerning the DP, and the governments way of handing out death sentences is flawed, overly expensive, not a deterrent, has killed innocent people, and only serves as punishment and revenge. STOP saying we are acting as if the murderer is a victim!!! he desrves life in prison. Its annoying as shit that people like you would suggest that we think this murderer is a victim. ridiculous.
Death sentences is flawed because of people like you who act as if the murder is the victim. The only reason the death penalty is argued to be more expensive than life in prison is because the same liberals that oppose the death penalty, are the ones who fight for it to be done in the most humane way possible, aka the most expensive. The government now has to buy different doses of lethal serums from private companies, which are able to jack up the price to astronomical levels. The result: Anti-death penalty supporters claim it is too 'expensive'.
It certainly is a deterant. Ignore people who say it isn't. For as many studies that say it isn't a deterant, not only are there more to counter that, but it follows common logic. Why do we have order in society? Because of the threat of punishment under the law. Why don't I go up and punch everyone I don't like? Because of consequences. How wouldn't the final act of death be a deterant?
The only excuse I can think of is self defense. No, not defense of your car or TV, but defense of your life in that very moment. Other than that, no way.
haha ONLY YOUR LIFE... How selfish of you. So what your saying is if your wife, children or a stranger are getting raped, beaten, stabbed, don't bother helping?...
Then why does the murder deserve the right to live?
it's about what kind of society you want to live in ... think about this ... what was this guy's motivation for his killing!? ... ignorance and revenge ... this is what the death penalty is ...
americans are killing innocent people all over the world in the name of democracy and freedom ... fueled by ignorance ...
like i said earlier ... america leads the developed world in violent crime ... by a landslide ... is it a coincidence that a culture that answers conflicts with violence also has so much at home? ... violence begets violence ...
Dude you need to quit posting. I have asked several time to post your stats on where the US leads in Violent crime/murders. You have repeated this over and over without providing any actual facts. I KNOW that US does not lead in violent crime.
WHy do you keep saying it?
Isn't that what the person did when the comitted the murder?
You're using mass murdereres as role models now?
He did it so that makes it ok?
A very interesting stance.
No I am using your logic...
Hm.. Really?
Because my "logic" is that killing a person for killing a person makes us no better than the person who killed a person. And I'd like to think we're better than that.
But you go ahead... explain how you're using my "logic."
The only excuse I can think of is self defense. No, not defense of your car or TV, but defense of your life in that very moment. Other than that, no way.
haha ONLY YOUR LIFE... How selfish of you. So what your saying is if your wife, children or a stranger are getting raped, beaten, stabbed, don't bother helping?...
Ah.. the "let's derail this argument I'm losing with unrelated hypotheticals."
You're good at those.
Back to topic please.
The people of the US were no longer in danger from this man who was in jail and wasn't in the act of raping anyone's mom.
How does killing him now make us any better than him?
The only excuse I can think of is self defense. No, not defense of your car or TV, but defense of your life in that very moment. Other than that, no way.
haha ONLY YOUR LIFE... How selfish of you. So what your saying is if your wife, children or a stranger are getting raped, beaten, stabbed, don't bother helping?...
Sorry, howabout defense of someone in that very moment, and as soon as everyone is safe, stop the violence.
Killing to avenge killing doesn't make anything better.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
Because my "logic" is that killing a person for killing a person makes us no better than the person who killed a person. And I'd like to think we're better than that.
But you go ahead... explain how you're using my "logic."
This should be good.
So your "logic" is that killing makes you no better than a murder?
So "if"(I know your gay) you had a wife and child and someone breaks into your house and proceeds to rape your wife and child, you would just watch?
So your "logic" is that killing makes you no better than a murder?
So "if"(I know your gay) you had a wife and child and someone breaks into your house and proceeds to rape your wife and child, you would just watch?
Wait... this man who was executed was in the process of raping a woman and a child when they executed him?
what kind of prison system do you people HAVE, for fuck's sake?
I didn't notice any quotes from the 2 dead people.
I'm pretty sure if someone killed me I wouldn't want them killed in my name. I'd want them rotting in prison in my name, but not killed.
Very well. But how does that apply to 2 people you don't know? Would you like me (or someone else) to determine how you should think?
And these people are not being killed in the "victim's name." It is part of the penal code of Texas. So, what you think you would want if you were dead is completely irrelevant. My only point was - we are holding up the LIVING victim whose crime would not have been punishable by death as proof that the DP is a bad thing in this case. Again, I'm not saying it is or it isn't. I'm just saying that that argument is specious at best.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
its not that he deserves that right, its that the government shouldnt be the one to decide whether or not he has that right. Again, there have been mistakes concerning the DP, and the governments way of handing out death sentences is flawed, overly expensive, not a deterrent, has killed innocent people, and only serves as punishment and revenge. STOP saying we are acting as if the murderer is a victim!!! he desrves life in prison. Its annoying as shit that people like you would suggest that we think this murderer is a victim. ridiculous.
Death sentences is flawed because of people like you who act as if the murder is the victim. The only reason the death penalty is argued to be more expensive than life in prison is because the same liberals that oppose the death penalty, are the ones who fight for it to be done in the most humane way possible, aka the most expensive. The government now has to buy different doses of lethal serums from private companies, which are able to jack up the price to astronomical levels. The result: Anti-death penalty supporters claim it is too 'expensive'.
It certainly is a deterant. Ignore people who say it isn't. For as many studies that say it isn't a deterant, not only are there more to counter that, but it follows common logic. Why do we have order in society? Because of the threat of punishment under the law. Why don't I go up and punch everyone I don't like? Because of consequences. How wouldn't the final act of death be a deterant?
Again with your ridiculous assumptions that we believe the murderer is a victim. Haha, you're too funny. But, you'll never understand. I used to be like you, but later I was able to think about it without blinders on and stop assuming ridiculous things like you do.
So, not only do you want to kill people with the DP, but you want to do it with the electric chair, which has been proven to be torture under certain circumstances. How about we just go back to firing squad or guillotine?? Oh yeah, since we are just acting like the murderer, maybe he/she should be killed in the same way as his victim. What dont we go 100% barbaric?
The high cost of DP is not only the result of the method... it is MOSTLY he countless appeals. VERY costly to taxpayers. You have a problem helping out people on welfare, but you'd like to waste your money on DP appeals?
The actual DP is not a good deterrent. Punishment for crimes is sometimes a deterrent but when it comes to murder, these people do not expect to get caught or even think about the consequences. "laws..and Follows common logic"?!!?! hahah, again you're proving that your argument is ridiculous right there..murderers arent following "common logic" to begin with. DP is not a deterrent, plain and simple.
And please answer one question: What do you have to say about any ONE person who has been innocently executed by the government?
So your "logic" is that killing makes you no better than a murder?
So "if"(I know your gay) you had a wife and child and someone breaks into your house and proceeds to rape your wife and child, you would just watch?
Wait... this man who was executed was in the process of raping a woman and a child when they executed him?
what kind of prison system do you people HAVE, for fuck's sake?
Do you need help comprehending questions. You were talking about DP not this specific case. You said killing a murder makes you no better than a murder.
Would you rather not exist or experience life in a prison?
Why does someone who does horrendous crimes (that your brain won't even allow you to imagine) be allowed to live a fairly comfortable life in prison with all the benefits (i.e food, shelter, cable tv, internet access, visitations, phone calls, letters, etc.). All the while my family member is long dead because of this *******. That isn't balance of nature.
i would appreciate you debating the topic instead of being so condescending and implying that my brain could not comprehend this horendous crime. personal attacks as a sign that you are losing the debate and losing your cool.
and back to your post.
who put you in charge of balancing nature? it is not your responsibility, nor is it your responsibility to decide who gets to appeal and who has to accept and have this sentence carried out. you are not the punisher.
and i would rather be dead if i could not live free, outside of prison walls. so to me life in prison would be a worse punishment than death.
the bottom line is this guy was no longer a threat to society and was not going to be raping anybody's mom from the minute he was arrested. he was incapacitated and not a danger to anyone else. yet texas killed him anyway. is spite of pleas from the REAL victim in this case.
this is nto the fucking dark ages where people would beg the king for mercy only to be executed to set an example of the king's power. we live in a society here.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
the death penalty only serves the appetite for revenge ... nothing more ... sure, the perpetrator will not be able to kill anyone else but it does not act as a deterrent to would be murderers ... life in prison would in most situations accomplish the same thing ...
again - one has to ask themselves why in such a land of opportunities and freedoms does the US lead the developed countries in violent crime statistics by a landslide? ...
Again,
why do you keep posting this?
The death penalty doesn't deter crime and the homicide rate in the U.S. leads Western countries. That's probably why they keep posting this.
And please answer one question: What do you have to say about any ONE person who has been innocently executed by the government?
I'd like to see the answer to this as well.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
I have to do some digging, but I have seen several interviews.. one of which a guy who was wrongfully convicted and sentenced to DP and he was later proven to be innocent before his execution. He spent decades in jail and was finally released. Once released, he said that he would've chosen death over life in prison. Some think one is worst than the other, but life sentences are no walk in the park..
It certainly is a deterant. Ignore people who say it isn't. For as many studies that say it isn't a deterant, not only are there more to counter that, but it follows common logic. Why do we have order in society? Because of the threat of punishment under the law. Why don't I go up and punch everyone I don't like? Because of consequences. How wouldn't the final act of death be a deterant?
if it is such a deterrant, why are there so many murders???
i guarantee some person is going to read about this case, read that the guy was killed by the state, and still go out and commit that premeditated murder because he thinks he will never be caught or that he will never be killed due to the 15 years it takes to carry out the sentence.
i think you don't go around punching everyone you don't like is not because of legal consequences. it might be because you are afraid you might punch the wrong person, a trained fighter such as myself, or you might be just a bit more sensible than some of your posts would suggest. either way it is a poor analogy to compare the dp deterring murder in the same way a simple battery charge deters people from punching people they don't like..
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Would you rather not exist or experience life in a prison?
Why does someone who does horrendous crimes (that your brain won't even allow you to imagine) be allowed to live a fairly comfortable life in prison with all the benefits (i.e food, shelter, cable tv, internet access, visitations, phone calls, letters, etc.). All the while my family member is long dead because of this *******. That isn't balance of nature.
i would appreciate you debating the topic instead of being so condescending and implying that my brain could not comprehend this horendous crime. personal attacks as a sign that you are losing the debate and losing your cool.
and back to your post.
who put you in charge of balancing nature? it is not your responsibility, nor is it your responsibility to decide who gets to appeal and who has to accept and have this sentence carried out. you are not the punisher.
and i would rather be dead if i could not live free, outside of prison walls. so to me life in prison would be a worse punishment than death.
the bottom line is this guy was no longer a threat to society and was not going to be raping anybody's mom from the minute he was arrested. he was incapacitated and not a danger to anyone else. yet texas killed him anyway. is spite of pleas from the REAL victim in this case.
this is nto the fucking dark ages where people would beg the king for mercy only to be executed to set an example of the king's power. we live in a society here.
God damn dude, can you not fucking comprehend anything. I used YOU as in people in general. It wasn't a personal attack... Its pretty sick that you can comprehend something that this guy did.
Its pathetic how badly you just insulted people who have been murdered. You would rather give up your only life on earth, over spending it in a cell where you can still read, sleep, feel, communicate with family/friends.
The people of the US were no longer in danger from this man who was in jail and wasn't in the act of raping anyone's mom.
How does killing him now make us any better than him?
It doesn't. We are better than him because we did not walk up to 3 people doing their jobs and shoot them with the intent to kill.
It is part of the PENAL code, and has no bearing on whether we are better than someone or not. Texas has determined that it needs capital punishment as one of its penalties for certain crimes. The PENAL code does not determine if the populace is better than a single person. It determines does the penalty fit the crime.
I actually think some of the mandatory drug sentencing guidelines are more concering than this. We could argue when it's approrpriate to mete out death as a punishment all day long. But, this isn't a case where we are unsure of who did it or what the motive was. So, I can't see this being the poster case for anyone that is anti-DP.
Whether I support the DP in this person's case does not say if I'm better than him or not. I KNOW I'm better than him. Even if I supported the DP in this case (again, not saying I do - quite frankly haven't given it much thought b/c it's not a situation where there was any doubt about the situation), there is at least a rationale (which you are free to argue about) for killing him. There was absolutely no rationale in a civil society for what he did.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
Dude you need to quit posting. I have asked several time to post your stats on where the US leads in Violent crime/murders. You have repeated this over and over without providing any actual facts. I KNOW that US does not lead in violent crime.
WHy do you keep saying it?
quit posting? ... i know i'm a bane to your global warming stuff but this is a bit extreme?
i posted this in another thread - and i didn't read where you asked for it ...
if it is such a deterrant, why are there so many murders???
i guarantee some person is going to read about this case, read that the guy was killed by the state, and still go out and commit that premeditated murder because he thinks he will never be caught or that he will never be killed due to the 15 years it takes to carry out the sentence.
i think you don't go around punching everyone you don't like is not because of legal consequences. it might be because you are afraid you might punch the wrong person, a trained fighter such as myself, or you might be just a bit more sensible than some of your posts would suggest. either way it is a poor analogy to compare the dp deterring murder in the same way a simple battery charge deters people from punching people they don't like..
I don't go around punching people becuase every action I make, I think how it would effect my family.
haha I have to laught at your E-tough guy approach. I have stated in several threads what SEC school I played college football at, getting cut from NFL teams. I am a big guy. If thats you in your avatar I would laugh at someone your size. Trained fighter or not, you look like a bean pole. This is the internet, quit bragging.
God damn dude, can you not fucking comprehend anything. I used YOU as in people in general. It wasn't a personal attack... Its pretty sick that you can comprehend something that this guy did.
Its pathetic how badly you just insulted people who have been murdered. You would rather give up your only life on earth, over spending it in a cell where you can still read, sleep, feel, communicate with family/friends.
are you going to address my post, other than the fact that i would rather die than live in prison? how the hell does that insult anyone.
i think most people would agree with me if posed this question.
"would you rather be killed, or would you rather live the rest of your life on 23 hour a day lockdown, in solitary confinement, where you will be able to read, exercise an hour a day, eat prison food, have no visitors, be unable to enjoy a beer and bar b que and watch a baseball game on a saturday afternoon, live under constant threat of violence, not just from other prisoners when/if you do get to interact with them, but from guards as well, get to shower twice a week, make no money and have nothing to buy with what little you have, and be cut off from your family, friends, and loved ones?"
the answer is a simple one for me...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
And please answer one question: What do you have to say about any ONE person who has been innocently executed by the government?
I'd like to see the answer to this as well.
Blockhead?
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
And please answer one question: What do you have to say about any ONE person who has been innocently executed by the government?
And please quit trying to put a label on me. This thread was about this case...
IN this case I support the Death Penalty. I have never said as a whole I support the Death Peanlty.
Quit assuming things because I disagree with you in THIS CASE.
This is a pretty clear cut case.
God damn dude, can you not fucking comprehend anything. I used YOU as in people in general. It wasn't a personal attack... Its pretty sick that you can comprehend something that this guy did.
Its pathetic how badly you just insulted people who have been murdered. You would rather give up your only life on earth, over spending it in a cell where you can still read, sleep, feel, communicate with family/friends.
are you going to address my post, other than the fact that i would rather die than live in prison? how the hell does that insult anyone.
i think most people would agree with me if posed this question.
"would you rather be killed, or would you rather live the rest of your life on 23 hour a day lockdown, in solitary confinement, where you will be able to read, exercise an hour a day, eat prison food, have no visitors, be unable to enjoy a beer and bar b que and watch a baseball game on a saturday afternoon, live under constant threat of violence, not just from other prisoners when/if you do get to interact with them, but from guards as well, get to shower twice a week, make no money and have nothing to buy with what little you have, and be cut off from your family, friends, and loved ones?"
the answer is a simple one for me...
That was not my question. Life in prison is not solitary confinement. Quit backpedaling?
if it is such a deterrant, why are there so many murders???
i guarantee some person is going to read about this case, read that the guy was killed by the state, and still go out and commit that premeditated murder because he thinks he will never be caught or that he will never be killed due to the 15 years it takes to carry out the sentence.
i think you don't go around punching everyone you don't like is not because of legal consequences. it might be because you are afraid you might punch the wrong person, a trained fighter such as myself, or you might be just a bit more sensible than some of your posts would suggest. either way it is a poor analogy to compare the dp deterring murder in the same way a simple battery charge deters people from punching people they don't like..
I don't go around punching people becuase every action I make, I think how it would effect my family.
haha I have to laught at your E-tough guy approach. I have stated in several threads what SEC school I played college football at, getting cut from NFL teams. I am a big guy. If thats you in your avatar I would laugh at someone your size. Trained fighter or not, you look like a bean pole. This is the internet, quit bragging.
yeah ok.... you might think before you act, but you definitely don't think before you type...perhaps you don't go punching people because this is not kindergarten and we do not conduct ourselves like that in public...
three years ago i would have loved for you to punch me. i'm a big dude too, but i'm down 20 lbs from my fighting weight. size doesn't really matter as i have routinely beat guys who weighted 260 when i was weighing in around 230. i don't look like much, but it never kept me from winning fights. it is kind of like how people make the argument that "i don't go pulling my gun on people because i don't know if they have a gun or not". they think they are a hardass and pull it on someone and end up getting shot. fact is they don't go around pulling guns on people because they don't want to be a douche.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
And please answer one question: What do you have to say about any ONE person who has been innocently executed by the government?
And please quit trying to put a label on me. This thread was about this case...
IN this case I support the Death Penalty. I have never said as a whole I support the Death Peanlty.
Quit assuming things because I disagree with you in THIS CASE.
This is a pretty clear cut case.
Thats fine, we know you wont answer. Because you cant.
I agree though.. this specific case is a tough one.. the guy in this case was caught on video. Hes dead now though. I honestly would have a hard time controlling myself from beating him to a pulp if I had a chance, but i'd prefer MY govt not play God. I don't play God, so why should the govt. People who are murderers are not right in the head to begin with. its not good to stoop to their level.
btw, talk about backpedaling...Earlier you were talking DP in general, that's why I asked this general question, which apparently you will not even try to answer.
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The only excuse I can think of is self defense. No, not defense of your car or TV, but defense of your life in that very moment. Other than that, no way.
It certainly is a deterant. Ignore people who say it isn't. For as many studies that say it isn't a deterant, not only are there more to counter that, but it follows common logic. Why do we have order in society? Because of the threat of punishment under the law. Why don't I go up and punch everyone I don't like? Because of consequences. How wouldn't the final act of death be a deterant?
WHy do you keep saying it?
It wasn't a generalization. The U.S murders hundreds of it's citizens every year.
And I'm from England.
Hm.. Really?
Because my "logic" is that killing a person for killing a person makes us no better than the person who killed a person. And I'd like to think we're better than that.
But you go ahead... explain how you're using my "logic."
This should be good.
I will now use that percent and apply it to everything.
Ah.. the "let's derail this argument I'm losing with unrelated hypotheticals."
You're good at those.
Back to topic please.
The people of the US were no longer in danger from this man who was in jail and wasn't in the act of raping anyone's mom.
How does killing him now make us any better than him?
Killing to avenge killing doesn't make anything better.
So "if"(I know your gay) you had a wife and child and someone breaks into your house and proceeds to rape your wife and child, you would just watch?
Knock yerself out!
Your question is completely irrelevant.
If the U.S state only snuffed out the life of just one of it's citizens every year it would still be an act of collective sickness.
Wait... this man who was executed was in the process of raping a woman and a child when they executed him?
what kind of prison system do you people HAVE, for fuck's sake?
Very well. But how does that apply to 2 people you don't know? Would you like me (or someone else) to determine how you should think?
And these people are not being killed in the "victim's name." It is part of the penal code of Texas. So, what you think you would want if you were dead is completely irrelevant. My only point was - we are holding up the LIVING victim whose crime would not have been punishable by death as proof that the DP is a bad thing in this case. Again, I'm not saying it is or it isn't. I'm just saying that that argument is specious at best.
Again with your ridiculous assumptions that we believe the murderer is a victim. Haha, you're too funny. But, you'll never understand. I used to be like you, but later I was able to think about it without blinders on and stop assuming ridiculous things like you do.
So, not only do you want to kill people with the DP, but you want to do it with the electric chair, which has been proven to be torture under certain circumstances. How about we just go back to firing squad or guillotine?? Oh yeah, since we are just acting like the murderer, maybe he/she should be killed in the same way as his victim. What dont we go 100% barbaric?
The high cost of DP is not only the result of the method... it is MOSTLY he countless appeals. VERY costly to taxpayers. You have a problem helping out people on welfare, but you'd like to waste your money on DP appeals?
The actual DP is not a good deterrent. Punishment for crimes is sometimes a deterrent but when it comes to murder, these people do not expect to get caught or even think about the consequences. "laws..and Follows common logic"?!!?! hahah, again you're proving that your argument is ridiculous right there..murderers arent following "common logic" to begin with. DP is not a deterrent, plain and simple.
And please answer one question: What do you have to say about any ONE person who has been innocently executed by the government?
and back to your post.
who put you in charge of balancing nature? it is not your responsibility, nor is it your responsibility to decide who gets to appeal and who has to accept and have this sentence carried out. you are not the punisher.
and i would rather be dead if i could not live free, outside of prison walls. so to me life in prison would be a worse punishment than death.
the bottom line is this guy was no longer a threat to society and was not going to be raping anybody's mom from the minute he was arrested. he was incapacitated and not a danger to anyone else. yet texas killed him anyway. is spite of pleas from the REAL victim in this case.
this is nto the fucking dark ages where people would beg the king for mercy only to be executed to set an example of the king's power. we live in a society here.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
The death penalty doesn't deter crime and the homicide rate in the U.S. leads Western countries. That's probably why they keep posting this.
i guarantee some person is going to read about this case, read that the guy was killed by the state, and still go out and commit that premeditated murder because he thinks he will never be caught or that he will never be killed due to the 15 years it takes to carry out the sentence.
i think you don't go around punching everyone you don't like is not because of legal consequences. it might be because you are afraid you might punch the wrong person, a trained fighter such as myself, or you might be just a bit more sensible than some of your posts would suggest. either way it is a poor analogy to compare the dp deterring murder in the same way a simple battery charge deters people from punching people they don't like..
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Its pathetic how badly you just insulted people who have been murdered. You would rather give up your only life on earth, over spending it in a cell where you can still read, sleep, feel, communicate with family/friends.
It doesn't. We are better than him because we did not walk up to 3 people doing their jobs and shoot them with the intent to kill.
It is part of the PENAL code, and has no bearing on whether we are better than someone or not. Texas has determined that it needs capital punishment as one of its penalties for certain crimes. The PENAL code does not determine if the populace is better than a single person. It determines does the penalty fit the crime.
I actually think some of the mandatory drug sentencing guidelines are more concering than this. We could argue when it's approrpriate to mete out death as a punishment all day long. But, this isn't a case where we are unsure of who did it or what the motive was. So, I can't see this being the poster case for anyone that is anti-DP.
Whether I support the DP in this person's case does not say if I'm better than him or not. I KNOW I'm better than him. Even if I supported the DP in this case (again, not saying I do - quite frankly haven't given it much thought b/c it's not a situation where there was any doubt about the situation), there is at least a rationale (which you are free to argue about) for killing him. There was absolutely no rationale in a civil society for what he did.
quit posting? ... i know i'm a bane to your global warming stuff but this is a bit extreme?
i posted this in another thread - and i didn't read where you asked for it ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate
and i said developed countries not the world ... repeatedly ...
haha I have to laught at your E-tough guy approach. I have stated in several threads what SEC school I played college football at, getting cut from NFL teams. I am a big guy. If thats you in your avatar I would laugh at someone your size. Trained fighter or not, you look like a bean pole. This is the internet, quit bragging.
i think most people would agree with me if posed this question.
"would you rather be killed, or would you rather live the rest of your life on 23 hour a day lockdown, in solitary confinement, where you will be able to read, exercise an hour a day, eat prison food, have no visitors, be unable to enjoy a beer and bar b que and watch a baseball game on a saturday afternoon, live under constant threat of violence, not just from other prisoners when/if you do get to interact with them, but from guards as well, get to shower twice a week, make no money and have nothing to buy with what little you have, and be cut off from your family, friends, and loved ones?"
the answer is a simple one for me...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
IN this case I support the Death Penalty. I have never said as a whole I support the Death Peanlty.
Quit assuming things because I disagree with you in THIS CASE.
This is a pretty clear cut case.
three years ago i would have loved for you to punch me. i'm a big dude too, but i'm down 20 lbs from my fighting weight. size doesn't really matter as i have routinely beat guys who weighted 260 when i was weighing in around 230. i don't look like much, but it never kept me from winning fights. it is kind of like how people make the argument that "i don't go pulling my gun on people because i don't know if they have a gun or not". they think they are a hardass and pull it on someone and end up getting shot. fact is they don't go around pulling guns on people because they don't want to be a douche.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Thats fine, we know you wont answer. Because you cant.
I agree though.. this specific case is a tough one.. the guy in this case was caught on video. Hes dead now though. I honestly would have a hard time controlling myself from beating him to a pulp if I had a chance, but i'd prefer MY govt not play God. I don't play God, so why should the govt. People who are murderers are not right in the head to begin with. its not good to stoop to their level.
btw, talk about backpedaling...Earlier you were talking DP in general, that's why I asked this general question, which apparently you will not even try to answer.