Man to be executed for "revenge killings" for 9/11 attacks

Blockhead

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Not really. Why?

i am just asking. most people who favor the dp are people who consider themselves christian. especially those in the state of texas.

i was going to ask how you would apply the 5th commandment. does it apply to individuals only, or does it apply to states and governments as well? and why would it apply to one over the other instead of both?

If you end someones life, why do you believe that person has the right to live?

Blockhead

Byrnzie wrote:

Another pointless act of barbarism carried out by the U.S.A:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... nge-killer

Texas executes 9/11 'revenge' killer

Mark Stroman shot dead two convenience store workers he believed to be Arab in Dallas shooting spree in 2001



Associated Press
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 21 July 2011

A man who embarked on a shooting spree in what he claimed was retaliation for 9/11 has been executed at a prison in Texas.

The lone survivor of Mark Stroman's attack on convenience store workers in late 2001, Rais Bhuiyan, originally from Bangladesh, unsuccessfully sued to stop the execution, saying his religious beliefs as a Muslim required him to forgive the man. The courts denied his request.

Stroman, 41, had said hate in the world needed to end and asked for God's grace shortly before the fatal drugs began flowing into his arms. He was pronounced dead less than an hour after his final court appeal was rejected.

Stroman claimed the shooting spree that killed two men and injured a third targeted people from the Middle East, though all three victims were from south Asia. It was the death of 49-year-old Vasudev Patel, from India, that put Stroman on death row. He was also charged but not tried in the shooting death of Waqar Hasan, 46, a Pakistani immigrant who moved to Dallas in 2001 to open a convenience store.

Stroman's execution was the eighth this year in Texas. At least eight other inmates have execution dates in the coming weeks.

From inside the death chamber, Stroman looked at five friends watching through a window and told them he loved them.

"Even though I lay on this gurney, seconds away from my death, I am at total peace," he said. He called himself "still a proud American, Texas loud, Texas proud".

"God bless America. God bless everyone," he added, then turned his head to the warden and said: "Let's do this damn thing."

Feeling the drugs beginning to take effect, he said, he began a countdown. "One, two," he said, slightly gasping. "There it goes."

Eleven minutes later, he was dead.

None of Patel's relatives attended the execution, and instead selected a police officer to represent them.

The execution was delayed for almost three hours before the Texas court of criminal appeals barred a state judge in Austin from considering Bhuiyan's lawsuit to stop the execution. The US supreme court had rejected appeals earlier in the day.

Bhuiyan had asked the courts to halt Stroman's execution and said he wanted to spend time with the inmate to learn more about why the shootings occurred. He lost sight in one of his eyes when Stroman shot him in the face.

"Killing him is not the solution," Bhuiyan said. "He's learning from his mistake. If he's given a chance, he's able to reach out to others and spread that message to others."

A federal district judge in Austin rejected the lawsuit and Bhuiyan's request for an injunction.

Stroman was free on bond for a gun possession arrest at the time of the attack. He had previous convictions for burglary, robbery, theft and credit card abuse, served at least two prison terms and was paroled twice. His juvenile record showed he was involved in an armed robbery at the age of 12.

When police arrested him the day Patel was killed, they found the .44-calibre handgun used in the shooting. Stroman confessed, and court documents show he told authorities he belonged to the Aryan Brotherhood, a white supremacist prison gang. Prosecutors also said he told another jail inmate about the shootings and how automatic weapons police found in his car were intended for a planned attack at a shopping mall.

Stroman more recently denied the white supremacist description. He also had avoided trouble in prison in recent years, said a Texas department of criminal justice spokeswoman.

Stroman blamed the shootings on the loss of a sister in the collapse of one of the World Trade Centre towers – although prosecutors said in court documents that there was no firm evidence she ever existed.

"I wanted those Arabs to feel the same sense of vulnerability and uncertainty on American soil much like the mindset of chaos and bedlam that they were already accustomed to in their home country," he said on a website devoted to his case.

But he also said he'd made a "terrible mistake out of love, grief and anger" and had destroyed his victims' families "out of pure anger and stupidity".

"I'm not the monster the media portrays me," he said last week from death row.

Stroman was also charged but not tried in the shooting death of Waqar Hasan. Hasan was killed four days after the terrorists struck. The attack on Bhuiyan came a week later.

Don't generalize :roll: ...
Where are you from?

Blockhead

I find it funny that libs (most people here) are acting as if the murder is the victim and deserves the right to live...
Its not about revenge, its about forfeiting your right to live.

gimmesometruth27

Blockhead wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Not really. Why?

i am just asking. most people who favor the dp are people who consider themselves christian. especially those in the state of texas.

i was going to ask how you would apply the 5th commandment. does it apply to individuals only, or does it apply to states and governments as well? and why would it apply to one over the other instead of both?

If you end someones life, why do you believe that person has the right to live?

how about trying to answer my question?

"i was going to ask how you would apply the 5th commandment. does it apply to individuals only, or does it apply to states and governments as well? and why would it apply to one over the other instead of both?"

Blockhead

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

how about trying to answer my question?

"i was going to ask how you would apply the 5th commandment. does it apply to individuals only, or does it apply to states and governments as well? and why would it apply to one over the other instead of both?"

Well I am not religious, So why would I acknowledge the 5th commandment?

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

I find it funny that libs (most people here) are acting as if the murder is the victim and deserves the right to live...
Its not about revenge, its about forfeiting your right to live.

You are so far lost as to what most of us are saying...
So far off.
So very far, that its useless to try to explain it.

But keep trying to paint that picture that we feel the murderer is a victim :roll:

Blockhead

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

I find it funny that libs (most people here) are acting as if the murder is the victim and deserves the right to live...
Its not about revenge, its about forfeiting your right to live.

You are so far lost as to what most of us are saying...
So far off.
So very far, that its useless to try to explain it.

But keep trying to paint that picture that we feel the murderer is a victim :roll:

Then why does the murder deserve the right to live?

Prince Of Dorkness

Blockhead wrote:

I find it funny that libs (most people here) are acting as if the murder is the victim and deserves the right to live...
Its not about revenge, its about forfeiting your right to live.

And I find it pathetic that some people think they should have the right to play God.

gimmesometruth27

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

I find it funny that libs (most people here) are acting as if the murder is the victim and deserves the right to live...
Its not about revenge, its about forfeiting your right to live.

And I find it pathetic that some people think they should have the right to play God.

that is exactly what i was going to say.

and blockhead, our laws about murder are based on the 5th commandment.

why is it ok for a country/state to murder people, yet not ok for an indivudual? shouldn't that rationale be applied across the board??

Prince Of Dorkness

know1 wrote:

Isn't this what our government did when we invaded Iraq?

No. Because Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.

We invaded them for oil, to start a war for profit and to settle a family grudge match.

9/11 was just an excuse to fool the stupid Bush supporters.

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

I find it funny that libs (most people here) are acting as if the murder is the victim and deserves the right to live...
Its not about revenge, its about forfeiting your right to live.

You are so far lost as to what most of us are saying...
So far off.
So very far, that its useless to try to explain it.

But keep trying to paint that picture that we feel the murderer is a victim :roll:

Then why does the murder deserve the right to live?

its not that he deserves that right, its that the government shouldnt be the one to decide whether or not he has that right. Again, there have been mistakes concerning the DP, and the governments way of handing out death sentences is flawed, overly expensive, not a deterrent, has killed innocent people, and only serves as punishment and revenge. STOP saying we are acting as if the murderer is a victim!!! he desrves life in prison. Its annoying as shit that people like you would suggest that we think this murderer is a victim. ridiculous.

Blockhead

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

I find it funny that libs (most people here) are acting as if the murder is the victim and deserves the right to live...
Its not about revenge, its about forfeiting your right to live.

And I find it pathetic that some people think they should have the right to play God.

Did they not end someone elses life. THe only life that we have. To me, I find that a pretty big deal.
IF you take someones life, you should lose your right to live.
LIving in prision your are still able to experience life, (thoughts, sences, feelings, ect.)
Life is so rare... How can you let the act of murder go without punishment.

gimmesometruth27

Blockhead wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

I find it funny that libs (most people here) are acting as if the murder is the victim and deserves the right to live...
Its not about revenge, its about forfeiting your right to live.

And I find it pathetic that some people think they should have the right to play God.

Did they not end someone elses life. THe only life that we have. To me, I find that a pretty big deal.
IF you take someones life, you should lose your right to live.
LIving in prision your are still able to experience life, (thoughts, sences, feelings, ect.)
Life is so rare... How can you let the act of murder go without punishment.

so are you saying that life in prison is not a punishment? :? :? and if you are, how did you come to that conclusion??

Prince Of Dorkness

Blockhead wrote:

IF you take someones life, you should lose your right to live. .

Hm... So if you get in a bar fight and knock someone's tooth out... Should we strap you down and pull out your incisors?

why do you think that?

And if you really think that... Why is it mostly just poor black men who get executed?

Blockhead

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

I find it funny that libs (most people here) are acting as if the murder is the victim and deserves the right to live...
Its not about revenge, its about forfeiting your right to live.

And I find it pathetic that some people think they should have the right to play God.

Isn't that what the person did when the comitted the murder?

Prince Of Dorkness

Blockhead wrote:

Isn't that what the person did when the comitted the murder?

You're using mass murdereres as role models now?

He did it so that makes it ok?

A very interesting stance.

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

I find it funny that libs (most people here) are acting as if the murder is the victim and deserves the right to live...
Its not about revenge, its about forfeiting your right to live.

And I find it pathetic that some people think they should have the right to play God.

Isn't that what the person did when the comitted the murder?

Terrible logic. You know the victim who forgave this Stroman guy said this: " I believe he was ignorant and not capable of distinguishing between right and wrong. Otherwise he wouldn't have done what he did."

I think he's right.
and you ask: "isnt that what the person did when commiting the murder?" (right to play God)

in that case, if we're just doing to him what he did to his victim, then we are ignorant, incapable of distinguishing right from wrong, hateful, vengeful, and a little fucked in the head.

polaris_x

Blockhead wrote:

Then why does the murder deserve the right to live?

it's about what kind of society you want to live in ... think about this ... what was this guy's motivation for his killing!? ... ignorance and revenge ... this is what the death penalty is ...

americans are killing innocent people all over the world in the name of democracy and freedom ... fueled by ignorance ...

like i said earlier ... america leads the developed world in violent crime ... by a landslide ... is it a coincidence that a culture that answers conflicts with violence also has so much at home? ... violence begets violence ...

Blockhead

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

And I find it pathetic that some people think they should have the right to play God.

Did they not end someone elses life. THe only life that we have. To me, I find that a pretty big deal.
IF you take someones life, you should lose your right to live.
LIving in prision your are still able to experience life, (thoughts, sences, feelings, ect.)
Life is so rare... How can you let the act of murder go without punishment.

so are you saying that life in prison is not a punishment? :? :? and if you are, how did you come to that conclusion??

Would you rather not exist or experience life in a prison?
Why does someone who does horrendous crimes (that your brain won't even allow you to imagine) be allowed to live a fairly comfortable life in prison with all the benefits (i.e food, shelter, cable tv, internet access, visitations, phone calls, letters, etc.). All the while my family member is long dead because of this *******. That isn't balance of nature.

Blockhead

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

Isn't that what the person did when the comitted the murder?

You're using mass murdereres as role models now?

He did it so that makes it ok?

A very interesting stance.

No I am using your logic...