You state the race of the "poor black men", but not of the "rich person". Since you included the race in the first one, shouldn't you include the race in the second one, for an accurate comparison?
Rich people of any race, really.
If you're male, black and poor, you're MUCH more likely to get the death penalty than you are if you're not all three of those things. As you remove them, you are less and less likely to be executed for the exact same crime.
You state the race of the "poor black men", but not of the "rich person". Since you included the race in the first one, shouldn't you include the race in the second one, for an accurate comparison?
Rich people of any race, really.
If you're male, black and poor, you're MUCH more likely to get the death penalty than you are if you're not all three of those things. As you remove them, you are less and less likely to be executed for the exact same crime.
Look it up.
...so Hispanic men are less likely to be executed, percentage-wise, than black men? I don't have these stats memorized, but I'll trust ya.
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This link says nothing about Hispanic men's comparison, which is what I asked.
The title of the story says "blacks", but not even "poor black men", as you mentioned wealth was a large factor, which was not part of the article either. Here's all your link went to:
"A first of its kind study released last week confirmed a long-held suspicion of many African Americans: The persons most likely to be given the death penalty and actually executed in this country are Blacks who ... "
It just ends abruptly. The Full Story link doesn't work either. Not sure about who "topix.com" is. Are they a legitimate news source, or more on the fringe?
So, according to the portion of the article, is that black men (implying that of all wealth levels), and not just the "poor black men". ...and nothing about a comparison with "poor Hispanic men"...
I'd be most interested in seeing a comparison between a wealthy black man and a poor white man.
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I'd be most interested in seeing a comparison between a wealthy black man and a poor white man.
Fair enough.
I shall look into that.
And although that was probably a bad choice page to link to (get off my dress, I'm at work), I've seen quite a few articles about that study and heard about it on NPR of all places. I don't know of any rich black men that have been executed. I'm not sure there are any.
You state the race of the "poor black men", but not of the "rich person". Since you included the race in the first one, shouldn't you include the race in the second one, for an accurate comparison?
Rich people of any race, really.
If you're male, black and poor, you're MUCH more likely to get the death penalty than you are if you're not all three of those things. As you remove them, you are less and less likely to be executed for the exact same crime.
Look it up.
I give you the only example of this you need. OJ Simpson.
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You state the race of the "poor black men", but not of the "rich person". Since you included the race in the first one, shouldn't you include the race in the second one, for an accurate comparison?
Rich people of any race, really.
If you're male, black and poor, you're MUCH more likely to get the death penalty than you are if you're not all three of those things. As you remove them, you are less and less likely to be executed for the exact same crime.
This case got lots of publicity here in Texas during the last few days. By now most executions are ho hum affairs that attract little interest from the public. This one was somewhat unusual since one of his victims unsuccessfully sued to halt the execution.
I keep thinking about how the original crime spree was motivated by 9/11, although ironically his attacks were against people that weren't even Arabs. Misguided vengeance.
After 9/11 I spent a lot of time thinking about the people who died and what their last minutes were like. There were so many stories about people on the planes or in the towers who called loved ones to say good-bye. I can't imagine receiving a call like that. Or coming home and finding a message on the answering machine.
Those people knew they were going to die and they got right down to it. And what did they tell people? In so many words they said "I love you." I never heard about a single person who called someone and said, "Find the bastards who did this! Get revenge!"
I don't see much point to the death penalty except revenge. There have been a few people that it didn't bother me when they were executed, like Timothy McVeigh and John Allen Mohammed. But I don't even see it applied equally to people who commit a crime together! The right attorney or willingness to plea bargain is the difference between a life or death sentence.
I keep thinking about how the original crime spree was motivated by 9/11, although ironically his attacks were against people that weren't even Arabs. Misguided vengeance. .
sort of like going into iraq? ... this guy died because he exacted his own revenge based on ignorance ... so, why is bush, cheney, rummy et al walking around collecting huge sums of cash from the companies they helped make even richer?
I keep thinking about how the original crime spree was motivated by 9/11, although ironically his attacks were against people that weren't even Arabs. Misguided vengeance. .
sort of like going into iraq? ... this guy died because he exacted his own revenge based on ignorance ... so, why is bush, cheney, rummy et al walking around collecting huge sums of cash from the companies they helped make even richer?
That's right, Iraq was the land of sunshine and lolly pops before the U.S. showed up.
I keep thinking about how the original crime spree was motivated by 9/11, although ironically his attacks were against people that weren't even Arabs. Misguided vengeance. .
sort of like going into iraq? ... this guy died because he exacted his own revenge based on ignorance ... so, why is bush, cheney, rummy et al walking around collecting huge sums of cash from the companies they helped make even richer?
not being a smart ass, have any links prove that those three collecting huge amounts of cash from all of these companies? I would be interested in seeing them. The only link i can think of is Cheney and Haliburton, although he dissolved his stock in the company when he became vice president I think. I don't know for sure though.
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That's right, Iraq was the land of sunshine and lolly pops before the U.S. showed up.
read up on the history of iraq ... this was a country rich in history and culture ... so ... maybe not lolly pops but ever since american oil companies decided they wanted that oil - it's been downhill ...
not being a smart ass, have any links prove that those three collecting huge amounts of cash from all of these companies? I would be interested in seeing them. The only link i can think of is Cheney and Haliburton, although he dissolved his stock in the company when he became vice president I think. I don't know for sure though.
bush and oil companies ... rumsfield and the carlysle group (who i know are defunct) but this shit is incestuous ... it's why all former industry execs now head public offices in high places ...
you think cheney put in a loophole so haliburton didn't have to report environmental damage because he thought it was the right thing to do?? ...
That's right, Iraq was the land of sunshine and lolly pops before the U.S. showed up.
read up on the history of iraq ... this was a country rich in history and culture ... so ... maybe not lolly pops but ever since american oil companies decided they wanted that oil - it's been downhill ...
Ever since the US wanted the oil? How about the world??? And their fearless leader, what about him? I think he liked oil a bunch too. So much, I vaguely recall him paying a visit to one of his neighbors in the 90's ...
if it is such a deterrant, why are there so many murders???
i guarantee some person is going to read about this case, read that the guy was killed by the state, and still go out and commit that premeditated murder because he thinks he will never be caught or that he will never be killed due to the 15 years it takes to carry out the sentence.
i think you don't go around punching everyone you don't like is not because of legal consequences. it might be because you are afraid you might punch the wrong person, a trained fighter such as myself, or you might be just a bit more sensible than some of your posts would suggest. either way it is a poor analogy to compare the dp deterring murder in the same way a simple battery charge deters people from punching people they don't like..
I don't go around punching people becuase every action I make, I think how it would effect my family.
haha I have to laught at your E-tough guy approach. I have stated in several threads what SEC school I played college football at, getting cut from NFL teams. I am a big guy. If thats you in your avatar I would laugh at someone your size. Trained fighter or not, you look like a bean pole. This is the internet, quit bragging.
Not to get in between you two monsters, but your comment reminded me of a story about a trained fighter kicking the ass of a man about 70 lbs heavier. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9JpeKKBScA
the video doesn't show a lot of what actually happened, but in Roger's words "I just don’t think that it's right to hit a woman. I approached the man calmly and said, 'Do you know what you just did? You just knocked out this girl.' [He responds] 'F*ck you, f*ck these bitches, I'll knock out any f*ckin' bitch that I wanna f*ckin' knock out, I’ll knock your f*cking bitch ass out.' ... As he's saying this, he's taking off his shirt ... and at that point I was like, alright ... I got the better of him and I left. If that was my mom, if that was my sister, my spouse, anyone … I would’ve wanted someone to step in and do something about it.”
I realize this is off topic, and the video is tough to see exactly what happened. but basically Roger, who fights at 155 knocked out Rashad who was a linebacker for Atl I believe and at the Univeristy of TX.
just wanted to let you know what a trained fighter (no matter the size) can do to an ex nfl/college player
just in case all of you hadn't seen it.
Moral of the story, be careful who you try to punch!
But the best thing to do is go through Blockheads checklist...how does this affect you, your family, and those closest to you?
Back on topic and to put my two cents in. Capital Punishment may be a deterrent...it is hard to say how many people don't commit a murder because of it...it is easy to point to statistics that show areas with high murder rates have capital punishment and say it isn't a deterrent. But that doesn't really tell the whole story. Could it be that the high murder rates caused them to adopt a more severe form of punishment? Deterrent or not, this guy did a terrible thing, is CLEARLY guilty, and he should be PUNISHED for it. Some would say being alive in prison is worse punishment, but I guess we will never know because it is hard to ask someone who is dead if their punishment is worse. I certainly would rather live than die, but that is just me.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Ever since the US wanted the oil? How about the world??? And their fearless leader, what about him? I think he liked oil a bunch too. So much, I vaguely recall him paying a visit to one of his neighbors in the 90's ...
again ... read up on the history ... iraq was the crown jewel of the middle east ... a burgeoning middle class ... rich cultural history and museums ... until ...
sure ... you want to believe iraq invaded kuwait ... but there are two sides to every story ... if you choose to take only the american-bomb first ask questions later side ... its your choice ...
again ... read up on the history ... iraq was the crown jewel of the middle east ... a burgeoning middle class ... rich cultural history and museums ... until ...
sure ... you want to believe iraq invaded kuwait ... but there are two sides to every story ... if you choose to take only the american-bomb first ask questions later side ... its your choice ...
Do you play running back for the Pittsburgh Steelers by chance?
I realize this is off topic, and the video is tough to see exactly what happened. but basically Roger, who fights at 155 knocked out Rashad who was a linebacker for Atl I believe and at the Univeristy of TX.
just wanted to let you know what a trained fighter (no matter the size) can do to an ex nfl/college player
just in case all of you hadn't seen it.
Moral of the story, be careful who you try to punch!
But the best thing to do is go through Blockheads checklist...how does this affect you, your family, and those closest to you?
Back on topic and to put my two cents in. Capital Punishment may be a deterrent...it is hard to say how many people don't commit a murder because of it...it is easy to point to statistics that show areas with high murder rates have capital punishment and say it isn't a deterrent. But that doesn't really tell the whole story. Could it be that the high murder rates caused them to adopt a more severe form of punishment? Deterrent or not, this guy did a terrible thing, is CLEARLY guilty, and he should be PUNISHED for it. Some would say being alive in prison is worse punishment, but I guess we will never know because it is hard to ask someone who is dead if their punishment is worse. I certainly would rather live than die, but that is just me.
I have been thinking more about the deterrent factor and I agree with you.. I actually have heard that most studies suggest that it IS a deterrent, and in my own mind I cant see a potential murderer not doing this horrific act specifically because of the DP, more so just punishment in general if you ask me...BUT, In actuality, I am starting to believe that there's no way to prove it either way (if its a deterrent or not). I might have been wrong about it the more I think about it.
Here's something interesting I found: "Finally, the moving parts in the deterrence story are unpersuasive. Execution would have to achieve a marginal cost beyond the threat of lifetime incarceration. There is no evidence that this is the case. would have to occur with sufficient frequency and with widespread knowledge among would-be murderers to create a credible threat considering the types of murders that might be eligible for execution. There is no sign of that, nor does it seem likely. example, there were 16,137 murders in 2004, according to the FBI, but only 125 death sentences were handed out, and 59 persons - most of whom were convicted a decade earlier - were executed. There are no direct tests of deterrence among murderers, nor are there studies showing their awareness of executions in their own state, much less in far-away states. There is no evidence that if aware of the possibility of execution, a potential murderer would rationally decide to forego homicide and use less lethal forms of violence. Murder is a complex and multiply determined phenomenon, with cyclical patterns for distinct periods of more than 40 years of increase and decline that are not unlike epidemics of contagious diseases. There is nothing in the new deterrence studies that fits their story into this complex causal framework." http://www.law.columbia.edu/law_school/ ... italpunish
Not to get in between you two monsters, but your comment reminded me of a story about a trained fighter kicking the ass of a man about 70 lbs heavier.
Good story about the trained fighter, btw.
Another side note -- personal story, I was with my friend who wrestled 119 weight class in high school and he was runner up state champ.. We got jumped by 6 guys one night. They all went after him because he looked small and easy target. They left me alone because I'm 6-4, 230. But i'm slow as molasses, they should've picked me, us big guys fall harder... My friend, the 119 lb wrestler put three of them in the hospital. I tried to help him, but the weasly bastards would run from me..my buddy obviously didnt need the help either...it was chaos for 5 minutes, but we left barely with a scrape. Moral of the story is looks can obviously be deceiving.
Not to get in between you two monsters, but your comment reminded me of a story about a trained fighter kicking the ass of a man about 70 lbs heavier.
Good story about the trained fighter, btw.
Another side note -- personal story, I was with my friend who wrestled 119 weight class in high school and he was runner up state champ.. We got jumped by 6 guys one night. They all went after him because he looked small and easy target. They left me alone because I'm 6-4, 230. But i'm slow as molasses, they should've picked me, us big guys fall harder... My friend, the 119 lb wrestler put three of them in the hospital. I tried to help him, but the weasly bastards would run from me..my buddy obviously didnt need the help either...it was chaos for 5 minutes, but we left barely with a scrape. Moral of the story is looks can obviously be deceiving.
The weird thing is Roger is one of the nicest guys in the world and his early life is one tragedy after another. It takes a strong person to not go crazy after all the shit he has put up with...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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I realize this is off topic, and the video is tough to see exactly what happened. but basically Roger, who fights at 155 knocked out Rashad who was a linebacker for Atl I believe and at the Univeristy of TX.
just wanted to let you know what a trained fighter (no matter the size) can do to an ex nfl/college player
just in case all of you hadn't seen it.
Moral of the story, be careful who you try to punch!
But the best thing to do is go through Blockheads checklist...how does this affect you, your family, and those closest to you?
Back on topic and to put my two cents in. Capital Punishment may be a deterrent...it is hard to say how many people don't commit a murder because of it...it is easy to point to statistics that show areas with high murder rates have capital punishment and say it isn't a deterrent. But that doesn't really tell the whole story. Could it be that the high murder rates caused them to adopt a more severe form of punishment? Deterrent or not, this guy did a terrible thing, is CLEARLY guilty, and he should be PUNISHED for it. Some would say being alive in prison is worse punishment, but I guess we will never know because it is hard to ask someone who is dead if their punishment is worse. I certainly would rather live than die, but that is just me.
I have been thinking more about the deterrent factor and I agree with you.. I actually have heard that most studies suggest that it IS a deterrent, and in my own mind I cant see a potential murderer not doing this horrific act specifically because of the DP, more so just punishment in general if you ask me...BUT, In actuality, I am starting to believe that there's no way to prove it either way (if its a deterrent or not). I might have been wrong about it the more I think about it.
Here's something interesting I found: "Finally, the moving parts in the deterrence story are unpersuasive. Execution would have to achieve a marginal cost beyond the threat of lifetime incarceration. There is no evidence that this is the case. would have to occur with sufficient frequency and with widespread knowledge among would-be murderers to create a credible threat considering the types of murders that might be eligible for execution. There is no sign of that, nor does it seem likely. example, there were 16,137 murders in 2004, according to the FBI, but only 125 death sentences were handed out, and 59 persons - most of whom were convicted a decade earlier - were executed. There are no direct tests of deterrence among murderers, nor are there studies showing their awareness of executions in their own state, much less in far-away states. There is no evidence that if aware of the possibility of execution, a potential murderer would rationally decide to forego homicide and use less lethal forms of violence. Murder is a complex and multiply determined phenomenon, with cyclical patterns for distinct periods of more than 40 years of increase and decline that are not unlike epidemics of contagious diseases. There is nothing in the new deterrence studies that fits their story into this complex causal framework." http://www.law.columbia.edu/law_school/ ... italpunish
Yeah, the statistics can become very confusing, ultimately i think the death penalty should only be used in cases where the murderer confesses AND the all the evidence points to him. It is a punishment after all. For me it isn't about deterrence or anything like that...The only real deterrence is a clearance rate above about 25% on ALL crimes, the rest might make a small difference, but the problem with people committing real crimes is most of them think they won't be the ones who get caught. If people think they will actually get caught and punished(clearance rate) they will be less likely to commit crimes. Interesting theory anyway.
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Rich people of any race, really.
If you're male, black and poor, you're MUCH more likely to get the death penalty than you are if you're not all three of those things. As you remove them, you are less and less likely to be executed for the exact same crime.
Look it up.
...so Hispanic men are less likely to be executed, percentage-wise, than black men? I don't have these stats memorized, but I'll trust ya.
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This link says nothing about Hispanic men's comparison, which is what I asked.
The title of the story says "blacks", but not even "poor black men", as you mentioned wealth was a large factor, which was not part of the article either. Here's all your link went to:
"A first of its kind study released last week confirmed a long-held suspicion of many African Americans: The persons most likely to be given the death penalty and actually executed in this country are Blacks who ... "
It just ends abruptly. The Full Story link doesn't work either. Not sure about who "topix.com" is. Are they a legitimate news source, or more on the fringe?
So, according to the portion of the article, is that black men (implying that of all wealth levels), and not just the "poor black men". ...and nothing about a comparison with "poor Hispanic men"...
I'd be most interested in seeing a comparison between a wealthy black man and a poor white man.
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Fair enough.
I shall look into that.
And although that was probably a bad choice page to link to (get off my dress, I'm at work), I've seen quite a few articles about that study and heard about it on NPR of all places. I don't know of any rich black men that have been executed. I'm not sure there are any.
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why is that ?
Godfather.
This case got lots of publicity here in Texas during the last few days. By now most executions are ho hum affairs that attract little interest from the public. This one was somewhat unusual since one of his victims unsuccessfully sued to halt the execution.
I keep thinking about how the original crime spree was motivated by 9/11, although ironically his attacks were against people that weren't even Arabs. Misguided vengeance.
After 9/11 I spent a lot of time thinking about the people who died and what their last minutes were like. There were so many stories about people on the planes or in the towers who called loved ones to say good-bye. I can't imagine receiving a call like that. Or coming home and finding a message on the answering machine.
Those people knew they were going to die and they got right down to it. And what did they tell people? In so many words they said "I love you." I never heard about a single person who called someone and said, "Find the bastards who did this! Get revenge!"
I don't see much point to the death penalty except revenge. There have been a few people that it didn't bother me when they were executed, like Timothy McVeigh and John Allen Mohammed. But I don't even see it applied equally to people who commit a crime together! The right attorney or willingness to plea bargain is the difference between a life or death sentence.
Talk about moving the goal posts.
sort of like going into iraq? ... this guy died because he exacted his own revenge based on ignorance ... so, why is bush, cheney, rummy et al walking around collecting huge sums of cash from the companies they helped make even richer?
not being a smart ass, have any links prove that those three collecting huge amounts of cash from all of these companies? I would be interested in seeing them. The only link i can think of is Cheney and Haliburton, although he dissolved his stock in the company when he became vice president I think. I don't know for sure though.
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read up on the history of iraq ... this was a country rich in history and culture ... so ... maybe not lolly pops but ever since american oil companies decided they wanted that oil - it's been downhill ...
bush and oil companies ... rumsfield and the carlysle group (who i know are defunct) but this shit is incestuous ... it's why all former industry execs now head public offices in high places ...
you think cheney put in a loophole so haliburton didn't have to report environmental damage because he thought it was the right thing to do?? ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9JpeKKBScA
the video doesn't show a lot of what actually happened, but in Roger's words
"I just don’t think that it's right to hit a woman. I approached the man calmly and said, 'Do you know what you just did? You just knocked out this girl.' [He responds] 'F*ck you, f*ck these bitches, I'll knock out any f*ckin' bitch that I wanna f*ckin' knock out, I’ll knock your f*cking bitch ass out.' ... As he's saying this, he's taking off his shirt ... and at that point I was like, alright ... I got the better of him and I left. If that was my mom, if that was my sister, my spouse, anyone … I would’ve wanted someone to step in and do something about it.”
I realize this is off topic, and the video is tough to see exactly what happened. but basically Roger, who fights at 155 knocked out Rashad who was a linebacker for Atl I believe and at the Univeristy of TX.
just wanted to let you know what a trained fighter (no matter the size) can do to an ex nfl/college player
just in case all of you hadn't seen it.
Moral of the story, be careful who you try to punch!
But the best thing to do is go through Blockheads checklist...how does this affect you, your family, and those closest to you?
Back on topic and to put my two cents in. Capital Punishment may be a deterrent...it is hard to say how many people don't commit a murder because of it...it is easy to point to statistics that show areas with high murder rates have capital punishment and say it isn't a deterrent. But that doesn't really tell the whole story. Could it be that the high murder rates caused them to adopt a more severe form of punishment? Deterrent or not, this guy did a terrible thing, is CLEARLY guilty, and he should be PUNISHED for it. Some would say being alive in prison is worse punishment, but I guess we will never know because it is hard to ask someone who is dead if their punishment is worse. I certainly would rather live than die, but that is just me.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
again ... read up on the history ... iraq was the crown jewel of the middle east ... a burgeoning middle class ... rich cultural history and museums ... until ...
sure ... you want to believe iraq invaded kuwait ... but there are two sides to every story ... if you choose to take only the american-bomb first ask questions later side ... its your choice ...
I have been thinking more about the deterrent factor and I agree with you.. I actually have heard that most studies suggest that it IS a deterrent, and in my own mind I cant see a potential murderer not doing this horrific act specifically because of the DP, more so just punishment in general if you ask me...BUT, In actuality, I am starting to believe that there's no way to prove it either way (if its a deterrent or not). I might have been wrong about it the more I think about it.
Here's something interesting I found:
"Finally, the moving parts in the deterrence story are unpersuasive. Execution would have to achieve a marginal cost beyond the threat of lifetime incarceration. There is no evidence that this is the case. would have to occur with sufficient frequency and with widespread knowledge among would-be murderers to create a credible threat considering the types of murders that might be eligible for execution. There is no sign of that, nor does it seem likely. example, there were 16,137 murders in 2004, according to the FBI, but only 125 death sentences were handed out, and 59 persons - most of whom were convicted a decade earlier - were executed. There are no direct tests of deterrence among murderers, nor are there studies showing their awareness of executions in their own state, much less in far-away states. There is no evidence that if aware of the possibility of execution, a potential murderer would rationally decide to forego homicide and use less lethal forms of violence. Murder is a complex and multiply determined phenomenon, with cyclical patterns for distinct periods of more than 40 years of increase and decline that are not unlike epidemics of contagious diseases. There is nothing in the new deterrence studies that fits their story into this complex causal framework."
http://www.law.columbia.edu/law_school/ ... italpunish
Good story about the trained fighter, btw.
Another side note -- personal story, I was with my friend who wrestled 119 weight class in high school and he was runner up state champ.. We got jumped by 6 guys one night. They all went after him because he looked small and easy target. They left me alone because I'm 6-4, 230. But i'm slow as molasses, they should've picked me, us big guys fall harder... My friend, the 119 lb wrestler put three of them in the hospital. I tried to help him, but the weasly bastards would run from me..my buddy obviously didnt need the help either...it was chaos for 5 minutes, but we left barely with a scrape. Moral of the story is looks can obviously be deceiving.
The weird thing is Roger is one of the nicest guys in the world and his early life is one tragedy after another. It takes a strong person to not go crazy after all the shit he has put up with...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Yeah, the statistics can become very confusing, ultimately i think the death penalty should only be used in cases where the murderer confesses AND the all the evidence points to him. It is a punishment after all. For me it isn't about deterrence or anything like that...The only real deterrence is a clearance rate above about 25% on ALL crimes, the rest might make a small difference, but the problem with people committing real crimes is most of them think they won't be the ones who get caught. If people think they will actually get caught and punished(clearance rate) they will be less likely to commit crimes. Interesting theory anyway.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan