Man to be executed for "revenge killings" for 9/11 attacks

JonnyPistachio

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/20/tex ... 1&iref=NS1

This guy is fucking nuts. I dont remember hearing bout this when it happened. I wonder if it didnt make much news because they didnt want to cause hysteria.

This white supremist prick, Stroman originally said: "This was not a crime of hate but an act of Passion and Patriotism, an act of country and commitment, an act of retribution and recompense. The was not done during Peace time but at War time. I, Mark Anthony Stroman, felt a need to exact some measure of equality and fairness for the thousands of victims of September 11th, 2001."

talk about unbalanced and vicious!

Apparently he shot several people, including Rais Bhuiyan in the face, blinding him in one eye,... "although he testified against his attacker, Bhuiyan has campaigned against Stroman's execution. A devout Muslim who came to the United States to pursue his education, Bhuiyan was working an extra job a decade ago and was about to be married."

Jason P

Good riddance.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

"In order to live in a better and peaceful world, we need to break the cycle of hate and violence. I believe forgiveness is the best policy, which helps to break this cycle," he said, calling himself a victim of a hate crime. "I forgave Mark Stroman many years ago. I believe he was ignorant and not capable of distinguishing between right and wrong. Otherwise he wouldn't have done what he did."

He said last week he would like to meet Stroman on death row before it's too late.

"His attorney gave him the message that one of your victims is running this campaign to save your life," he said. "He was reduced to tears. He couldn't believe one of his victims would come forward and try to save his life."

take note folks.

Prince Of Dorkness

As horrible as what he did was... I don't support the death penalty. It just lowers us to the level of the murderer.

I think that man has been reformed and changed so much just by knowing that one of his victims is campaigning to save his life. THAT's the lesson we all need.

CROJAM95

What I took from this story was

This dude went after what he envisioned in his mind to be someone responsible for terrorism, or similar to the hijackers

Just looking for some brown, Muslim looking folks

Lotta people on the right still think Saddam Hussein and Iraq were responsible for 911

This is a microcosm of how dumb we have become as a society.

We think just because one is Muslim, they must sympathize with terrorists.... Not true

And that all country's in the mideast are state sponsors of terrorism.... Not true

Knee jerk reaction from some dumb, ignorant idiot from Texas

Just like when a dumb, ignorant Texan started a war for profit in 2003.

The irony

keeponrockin

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

As horrible as what he did was... I don't support the death penalty. It just lowers us to the level of the murderer.

I think that man has been reformed and changed so much just by knowing that one of his victims is campaigning to save his life. THAT's the lesson we all need.

This. Death penalty is wrong, no matter how terrible a person you are.

Jason P

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

As horrible as what he did was... I don't support the death penalty. It just lowers us to the level of the murderer.

I think that man has been reformed and changed so much just by knowing that one of his victims is campaigning to save his life. THAT's the lesson we all need.

The only reason he claims he has changed is because he is at death's doorstep. The article states he didn't show remorse a year after the murders.

I'm not pro-death penalty, but I'm not against it. Be it human or animal, if it demonstrates unnatural behavior and poses a threat to society, I don't care if it's locked in a hole, dropped off on dinosaur island, or put down. Just as long as the element is removed from our society, I'll leave it up to each state to determine the method.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

keeponrockin wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

As horrible as what he did was... I don't support the death penalty. It just lowers us to the level of the murderer.

I think that man has been reformed and changed so much just by knowing that one of his victims is campaigning to save his life. THAT's the lesson we all need.

This. Death penalty is wrong, no matter how terrible a person you are.

yeah, I don't care if he shows remorse or not.

no death penalty under ANY circumstances.

polaris_x

compassion and empathy can be a real powerful thing ... the victim's ability to forgive his attacker will do more for humanity than any gun or electric chair can ever ...

JonnyPistachio

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

"In order to live in a better and peaceful world, we need to break the cycle of hate and violence. I believe forgiveness is the best policy, which helps to break this cycle," he said, calling himself a victim of a hate crime. "I forgave Mark Stroman many years ago. I believe he was ignorant and not capable of distinguishing between right and wrong. Otherwise he wouldn't have done what he did."

He said last week he would like to meet Stroman on death row before it's too late.

"His attorney gave him the message that one of your victims is running this campaign to save your life," he said. "He was reduced to tears. He couldn't believe one of his victims would come forward and try to save his life."

take note folks.

I anti-DP too.. I just thought this was an amazing story that the man to be executed could be such a terrible monster, and one victim was able to forgive him.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

"In order to live in a better and peaceful world, we need to break the cycle of hate and violence. I believe forgiveness is the best policy, which helps to break this cycle," he said, calling himself a victim of a hate crime. "I forgave Mark Stroman many years ago. I believe he was ignorant and not capable of distinguishing between right and wrong. Otherwise he wouldn't have done what he did."

He said last week he would like to meet Stroman on death row before it's too late.

"His attorney gave him the message that one of your victims is running this campaign to save your life," he said. "He was reduced to tears. He couldn't believe one of his victims would come forward and try to save his life."

take note folks.

I anti-DP too.. I just thought this was an amazing story that the man to be executed could be such a terrible monster, and one victim was able to forgive him.

yeah, I know. I just posted that for all the folks that will eventually comment something along the lines as the second post, "good riddance".

JonnyPistachio

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

"In order to live in a better and peaceful world, we need to break the cycle of hate and violence. I believe forgiveness is the best policy, which helps to break this cycle," he said, calling himself a victim of a hate crime. "I forgave Mark Stroman many years ago. I believe he was ignorant and not capable of distinguishing between right and wrong. Otherwise he wouldn't have done what he did."

He said last week he would like to meet Stroman on death row before it's too late.

"His attorney gave him the message that one of your victims is running this campaign to save your life," he said. "He was reduced to tears. He couldn't believe one of his victims would come forward and try to save his life."

take note folks.

I anti-DP too.. I just thought this was an amazing story that the man to be executed could be such a terrible monster, and one victim was able to forgive him.

yeah, I know. I just posted that for all the folks that will eventually comment something along the lines as the second post, "good riddance".

oops, I didnt finish my thought...it really made me happy to read the quote you posted. "Break the cycle of hate and violence" really struck a chord with me.

EdsonNascimento

I didn't notice any quotes from the 2 dead people.

Go Beavers

EdsonNascimento wrote:

I didn't notice any quotes from the 2 dead people.

But you do see a lot of pro-death penalty people act as though they are speaking for the dead and that the victim would want the person dead in the name of justice.

JonnyPistachio

EdsonNascimento wrote:

I didn't notice any quotes from the 2 dead people.

No offense, I wasnt trying to start a DP vs. anti DP debate. I just thought it was interesting that someone could be the victim of so much hate and violence and still take the high road. Again, beat the cycle of hate and violence.

When he said this about the attacker I had to respect the man: " I believe he was ignorant and not capable of distinguishing between right and wrong. Otherwise he wouldn't have done what he did."


Either way..Mark Stroman is a scary monster full of hate and was obviously unable to think and reason..he'll be dead by tomorrow.

Jason P

Go Beavers wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

I didn't notice any quotes from the 2 dead people.

But you do see a lot of pro-death penalty people act as though they are speaking for the dead and that the victim would want the person dead in the name of justice.

I guess I should go on record in case I'm murdered: Avenge me!

polaris_x

the US is the leader in violent crime rates amongst developed countries ... there is a reason for that ... violence begets violence ...

killing mark stroman will not make the world a better place nor bring back the lives of those that perished from his gun ... mlk jr. knew this ... ghandi knew this ...

polaris_x

Jason P wrote:

I guess I should go on record in case I'm murdered: Avenge me!

then what do you say all those innocent iraqi and afghani victims families should do?

Jason P

polaris_x wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I guess I should go on record in case I'm murdered: Avenge me!

then what do you say all those innocent iraqi and afghani victims families should do?

Touché

Go Beavers

Jason P wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

I didn't notice any quotes from the 2 dead people.

But you do see a lot of pro-death penalty people act as though they are speaking for the dead and that the victim would want the person dead in the name of justice.

I guess I should go on record in case I'm murdered: Avenge me!

Never a bad idea, as I have gone on record for the opposite. It's kind of like telling people you want your organs donated!

EdsonNascimento

Go Beavers wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

I didn't notice any quotes from the 2 dead people.

But you do see a lot of pro-death penalty people act as though they are speaking for the dead and that the victim would want the person dead in the name of justice.

I wasn't saying I was for or against. Just see anti-folks quoting the living person with no references from the dead (impossible I know). So, the point had to be made.

I do find it hard to believe that there are no circumstances when folks think the death penalty is appropriate (so, I guess that makes me on the pro side). Is this one of them? I guess that's a debate (not the one JonnyPistachio wanted to start in this thread, and I respect that. I wasn't either). I just don't see how folks can be completely against it.

As Jonny points out, the living victim should be praised. He is clearly a man of high honor. But, that doesn't mean he (or the juror) is correct in this case, either. Quite frankly, if he was the only victim, this wouldn't have been a death penalty case. So, while he should have more to say about it than you or I, the dead and the ones the killer would have continued killing (we don't know who they are - so the "system" steps in their place) had he not been stopped do.

And the old stop the violence is a silly argument against DP anyway. It does stop. As soon as this guy is dead. (again, not advocating his or anyone else's death. Just making the point).

JonnyPistachio

Go Beavers wrote:

It's kind of like telling people you want your organs donated!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aclS1pGHp8o

JonnyPistachio

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

I didn't notice any quotes from the 2 dead people.

But you do see a lot of pro-death penalty people act as though they are speaking for the dead and that the victim would want the person dead in the name of justice.

I wasn't saying I was for or against. Just see anti-folks quoting the living person with no references from the dead (impossible I know). So, the point had to be made.

I do find it hard to believe that there are no circumstances when folks think the death penalty is appropriate (so, I guess that makes me on the pro side). Is this one of them? I guess that's a debate (not the one JonnyPistachio wanted to start in this thread, and I respect that. I wasn't either). I just don't see how folks can be completely against it.

As Jonny points out, the living victim should be praised. He is clearly a man of high honor. But, that doesn't mean he (or the juror) is correct in this case, either. Quite frankly, if he was the only victim, this wouldn't have been a death penalty case. So, while he should have more to say about it than you or I, the dead and the ones the killer would have continued killing (we don't know who they are - so the "system" steps in their place) had he not been stopped do.

And the old stop the violence is a silly argument against DP anyway. It does stop. As soon as this guy is dead. (again, not advocating his or anyone else's death. Just making the point).

I do not think the 'stop the violence' argument is necessarily against the DP, but a moral stance. I dont care what the pro-DP people think of that one...

We can debate the DP, it just wasnt my original intention..
You do make very good questions Edson.. I used to be pro-DP. I do see cases where I think its fine. This guy was caught on video (i think).. It makes it easier to justify. But my main concern is that is there was ONE man executed who was innocent, then the system is flawed and we should not do it. Its also more expensive and not a deterrence.

polaris_x

the death penalty only serves the appetite for revenge ... nothing more ... sure, the perpetrator will not be able to kill anyone else but it does not act as a deterrent to would be murderers ... life in prison would in most situations accomplish the same thing ...

again - one has to ask themselves why in such a land of opportunities and freedoms does the US lead the developed countries in violent crime statistics by a landslide? ...

Jason P

Go Beavers wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I guess I should go on record in case I'm murdered: Avenge me!

Never a bad idea, as I have gone on record for the opposite. It's kind of like telling people you want your organs donated!

We could have "smilies" on our license!

:evil: Avenge me!

:angel: I forgive

Smellyman

CROJAM95 wrote:

What I took from this story was

This dude went after what he envisioned in his mind to be someone responsible for terrorism, or similar to the hijackers

Just looking for some brown, Muslim looking folks

Lotta people on the right still think Saddam Hussein and Iraq were responsible for 911

This is a microcosm of how dumb we have become as a society.

We think just because one is Muslim, they must sympathize with terrorists.... Not true

And that all country's in the mideast are state sponsors of terrorism.... Not true

Knee jerk reaction from some dumb, ignorant idiot from Texas

Just like when a dumb, ignorant Texan started a war for profit in 2003.

The irony

Yup. Another Texan should be there. One who believes killing a Million people was the "right" thing to do.

Jason P

polaris_x wrote:

again - one has to ask themselves why in such a land of opportunities and freedoms does the US lead the developed countries in violent crime statistics by a landslide? ...

Easy. In 1845, Florida became a state.

polaris_x

Jason P wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

again - one has to ask themselves why in such a land of opportunities and freedoms does the US lead the developed countries in violent crime statistics by a landslide? ...

Easy. In 1845, Florida became a state.

gimmesometruth27

Byrnzie

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

"In order to live in a better and peaceful world, we need to break the cycle of hate and violence. I believe forgiveness is the best policy, which helps to break this cycle," he said, calling himself a victim of a hate crime. "I forgave Mark Stroman many years ago. I believe he was ignorant and not capable of distinguishing between right and wrong. Otherwise he wouldn't have done what he did."

He said last week he would like to meet Stroman on death row before it's too late.

"His attorney gave him the message that one of your victims is running this campaign to save your life," he said. "He was reduced to tears. He couldn't believe one of his victims would come forward and try to save his life."

take note folks.

Byrnzie

EdsonNascimento wrote:

I wasn't saying I was for or against. Just see anti-folks quoting the living person with no references from the dead (impossible I know). So, the point had to be made.

I do find it hard to believe that there are no circumstances when folks think the death penalty is appropriate (so, I guess that makes me on the pro side). Is this one of them? I guess that's a debate (not the one JonnyPistachio wanted to start in this thread, and I respect that. I wasn't either). I just don't see how folks can be completely against it.

As Jonny points out, the living victim should be praised. He is clearly a man of high honor. But, that doesn't mean he (or the juror) is correct in this case, either. Quite frankly, if he was the only victim, this wouldn't have been a death penalty case. So, while he should have more to say about it than you or I, the dead and the ones the killer would have continued killing (we don't know who they are - so the "system" steps in their place) had he not been stopped do.

And the old stop the violence is a silly argument against DP anyway. It does stop. As soon as this guy is dead. (again, not advocating his or anyone else's death. Just making the point).

Or he could simply be given life in prison, which is also the cheaper option.

How does that fit into your scheme of things?