Man to be executed for "revenge killings" for 9/11 attacks

mikepegg44

JonnyPistachio wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

Not to get in between you two monsters, but your comment reminded me of a story about a trained fighter kicking the ass of a man about 70 lbs heavier.

Good story about the trained fighter, btw.
Another side note -- personal story, I was with my friend who wrestled 119 weight class in high school and he was runner up state champ.. We got jumped by 6 guys one night. They all went after him because he looked small and easy target. They left me alone because I'm 6-4, 230. But i'm slow as molasses, they should've picked me, us big guys fall harder... My friend, the 119 lb wrestler put three of them in the hospital. I tried to help him, but the weasly bastards would run from me..my buddy obviously didnt need the help either...it was chaos for 5 minutes, but we left barely with a scrape. Moral of the story is looks can obviously be deceiving.

The weird thing is Roger is one of the nicest guys in the world and his early life is one tragedy after another. It takes a strong person to not go crazy after all the shit he has put up with...

mikepegg44

JonnyPistachio wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

I realize this is off topic, and the video is tough to see exactly what happened. but basically Roger, who fights at 155 knocked out Rashad who was a linebacker for Atl I believe and at the Univeristy of TX.

just wanted to let you know what a trained fighter (no matter the size) can do to an ex nfl/college player
just in case all of you hadn't seen it.
Moral of the story, be careful who you try to punch!
But the best thing to do is go through Blockheads checklist...how does this affect you, your family, and those closest to you?

Back on topic and to put my two cents in. Capital Punishment may be a deterrent...it is hard to say how many people don't commit a murder because of it...it is easy to point to statistics that show areas with high murder rates have capital punishment and say it isn't a deterrent. But that doesn't really tell the whole story. Could it be that the high murder rates caused them to adopt a more severe form of punishment? Deterrent or not, this guy did a terrible thing, is CLEARLY guilty, and he should be PUNISHED for it. Some would say being alive in prison is worse punishment, but I guess we will never know because it is hard to ask someone who is dead if their punishment is worse. I certainly would rather live than die, but that is just me.

I have been thinking more about the deterrent factor and I agree with you.. I actually have heard that most studies suggest that it IS a deterrent, and in my own mind I cant see a potential murderer not doing this horrific act specifically because of the DP, more so just punishment in general if you ask me...BUT, In actuality, I am starting to believe that there's no way to prove it either way (if its a deterrent or not). I might have been wrong about it the more I think about it.

Here's something interesting I found:
"Finally, the moving parts in the deterrence story are unpersuasive. Execution would have to achieve a marginal cost beyond the threat of lifetime incarceration. There is no evidence that this is the case. would have to occur with sufficient frequency and with widespread knowledge among would-be murderers to create a credible threat considering the types of murders that might be eligible for execution. There is no sign of that, nor does it seem likely. example, there were 16,137 murders in 2004, according to the FBI, but only 125 death sentences were handed out, and 59 persons - most of whom were convicted a decade earlier - were executed. There are no direct tests of deterrence among murderers, nor are there studies showing their awareness of executions in their own state, much less in far-away states. There is no evidence that if aware of the possibility of execution, a potential murderer would rationally decide to forego homicide and use less lethal forms of violence. Murder is a complex and multiply determined phenomenon, with cyclical patterns for distinct periods of more than 40 years of increase and decline that are not unlike epidemics of contagious diseases. There is nothing in the new deterrence studies that fits their story into this complex causal framework."
http://www.law.columbia.edu/law_school/ ... italpunish

Yeah, the statistics can become very confusing, ultimately i think the death penalty should only be used in cases where the murderer confesses AND the all the evidence points to him. It is a punishment after all. For me it isn't about deterrence or anything like that...The only real deterrence is a clearance rate above about 25% on ALL crimes, the rest might make a small difference, but the problem with people committing real crimes is most of them think they won't be the ones who get caught. If people think they will actually get caught and punished(clearance rate) they will be less likely to commit crimes. Interesting theory anyway.