When is this going to end, does anyone really care?

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  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Moonpig wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    people kill people guns don't kill people.
    very sad story but just because he used a gun dose not mean I have to give mine up
    not for you or anybody else.

    Godfather.

    Funny that, many many stats show that it is the lax gun regulations that contribute to these needless deaths. I made no mention of taking your precious guns away, only that tighter regulations are greatly required. If it meant lives saved surely that would outwiegh any extra waiting period or questions you may have to answer?

    And this tired old retoric about dictators blah blah blah (granted the point was not made by yourself Godfather) - how does the rest of the world manage to function on a day to day basis without the need nor requirement for an armed citizenry?
    :roll: Look at the UK violent crime stats...
    There are tons of stats/studies that show more guns = less gun crime. Try searching previous threads with my posts, as I have provided those studies/stats.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    Johnny Pistachio, I too am glad for your safety.

    How did the schoolboy gain access to the gun? I blame the parents. A gun is an inanimate object. It will go only where it is carried. If the parents had locked the gun up or otherwise made it inaccessible to the boy, that would not have happened. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? The answer is not to steal everybody's rights.

    I actually lost a friend to an accidental gun discharge. I do not blame the gun.

    Thanks man, I appreciate it.
    I dont know how the kid got access to the gun. And I can see why people like to put all the blame on the person/owner.. but I also try to look at it both ways, and that no matter how careful you are, there is always that slight possibility that it could get in the wrong hands out of your control. Kids are thrifty these days, and they can get their hands on guns. Look back at Chads post.. there are flea markets and shops all over that sell guns illegally or with little regard to waiting period laws.

    The point also was that, yes the gun only goes where it is carried, but the trigger isnt always pulled on purpose when the gun is pointed at someone maliciously. I shot a gun once after my close call, and I was surprised at how little pressure the trigger needed to discharge.

    (oh and PS - in case it wasnt clear, I was not handling the shotgun when it went off, I was standing a few feeet from my friend who was was sitting down and just lifted it off the table and it went off.)
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    this is a cultural issue ... like i've said before - is it any wonder that a country that spends more on weapons than all the world combine, one that bombs first ask questions never, one that thinks its ok for kids to see mass carnage in movies but not a nipple ... has a violent crime problem? ... why are people shocked that a country that profits off war solves their disputes domestically with weapons?
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited July 2011
    battery acid should be outlawed
    kids drink it and throw it at ppl, animals, or any other object that burns & melts

    in one case throwing a bucket full of it onto a car traveling under an overpass where the cantainer holding the acid smashed through a windshield covering some innocent passerby who now is terribly disfigured
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    polaris_x wrote:
    this is a cultural issue ... like i've said before - is it any wonder that a country that spends more on weapons than all the world combine, one that bombs first ask questions never, one that thinks its ok for kids to see mass carnage in movies but not a nipple ... has a violent crime problem? ... why are people shocked that a country that profits off war solves their disputes domestically with weapons?
    whilst kanada has zero problems? more homeless addicts reside in vancouver b.c. than anywhere else i know of. why? what are the reasons? there are a lot of gang crimes in Kanada.

    Kanada makes a nice 2x4 and a wonderful cup of coffee.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Moonpig
    Moonpig Posts: 659
    Blockhead wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    people kill people guns don't kill people.
    very sad story but just because he used a gun dose not mean I have to give mine up
    not for you or anybody else.

    Godfather.

    Funny that, many many stats show that it is the lax gun regulations that contribute to these needless deaths. I made no mention of taking your precious guns away, only that tighter regulations are greatly required. If it meant lives saved surely that would outwiegh any extra waiting period or questions you may have to answer?

    And this tired old retoric about dictators blah blah blah (granted the point was not made by yourself Godfather) - how does the rest of the world manage to function on a day to day basis without the need nor requirement for an armed citizenry?
    :roll: Look at the UK violent crime stats...
    There are tons of stats/studies that show more guns = less gun crime. Try searching previous threads with my posts, as I have provided those studies/stats.

    With respect, violent gun crime in America is head and shoulders above that of any other in the western world.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    polaris_x wrote:
    this is a cultural issue ... like i've said before - is it any wonder that a country that spends more on weapons than all the world combine, one that bombs first ask questions never, one that thinks its ok for kids to see mass carnage in movies but not a nipple ... has a violent crime problem? ... why are people shocked that a country that profits off war solves their disputes domestically with weapons?
    Next you'll telling me that because (America) let me play with army guys and toy guns as a kid its going to turn me into a killer :roll:
    Or that because I ate candy cigs as a kid is going to lead to me smoking :roll:
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Moonpig wrote:
    With respect, violent gun crime in America is head and shoulders above that of any other in the western world.
    Oh so your only worried about GUN crime... Other violent crime as much as possible is ok with you?
    So rape is cool with you as long as its not enforced by a gun?
  • Moonpig
    Moonpig Posts: 659
    Blockhead wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:
    With respect, violent gun crime in America is head and shoulders above that of any other in the western world.
    Oh so your only worried about GUN crime... Other violent crime as much as possible is ok with you?
    So rape is cool with you as long as its not enforced by a gun?

    :lol: Holy over reaction Batman. I began this thread on the back of the particular article that I was kind enough to include in the OP. If you are confused or dazed, please refer back to it. If you want to start a thread on how violent crime is out of control, or that rape is bad, or building great wall #2 to keep them pesky Mexicans out, or how Al Quada are injesting cemtex anally or how the world went to shit when the black man got elected into office then do and maybe I'll chime in with my opinion on the subject matter.

    Until then, unbundle the panties and relax man.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,864
    people kill people, yes, but the gun helps....

    how many people are maimed and murdered if a guy runs around with his index finger sticking out yelling "BANG, BANG, BANG!!!" ??
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Parachute
    Parachute Posts: 409
    Moonpig wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:
    With respect, violent gun crime in America is head and shoulders above that of any other in the western world.
    Oh so your only worried about GUN crime... Other violent crime as much as possible is ok with you?
    So rape is cool with you as long as its not enforced by a gun?

    :lol: Holy over reaction Batman. I began this thread on the back of the particular article that I was kind enough to include in the OP. If you are confused or dazed, please refer back to it. If you want to start a thread on how violent crime is out of control, or that rape is bad, or building great wall #2 to keep them pesky Mexicans out, or how Al Quada are injesting cemtex anally or how the world went to shit when the black man got elected into office then do and maybe I'll chime in with my opinion on the subject matter.

    Until then, unbundle the panties and relax man.

    I like the part about the wall to keep the "pesky Mexicans" out.
  • Moonpig
    Moonpig Posts: 659
    Parachute wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:

    I like the part about the wall to keep the "pesky Mexicans" out.

    Well then, hit new thread and get yourself started friend.
  • Flagg
    Flagg Posts: 5,856
    To answer the question in the OP's thread title - never. It will never end. The cat is out of the bag and you can't put it back. America was born with loose gun laws and and will always be this way for good or bad. All of these other countries have never had the gun culture America has had for the past 200+ years. So it is easy for citizens of those countries to tell us to get rid of our guns and all of our problems would go away. It isn't that simple. You aren't going to be able to pass a law and round them up so you might as well spend more time and energy on education or maybe making it a little harder to get a gun. Or maybe, instead of allowing police departments to auction off guns that were used for evidence in criminal trials, they could just destroy them.

    I don't own a gun and probably never will unless I inherit my dad's shotgun and deer rifle. But I don't have a problem with those who do and I don't think gun ownership is a right that should be taken away. I've never known a legal gun owner to use theirs in the commission of a crime.

    I know a few people that have multiple guns and are into the whole assault rifle thing and I think that is crazy and unnecessary and they are nuts, but that's my opinion. Despite what the NRA says I believe any and all military-style assault weapons should be illegal. But they take it too far and want everything to be legal.

    Anyway, that's my rambling 2-cents.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Blockhead wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    this is a cultural issue ... like i've said before - is it any wonder that a country that spends more on weapons than all the world combine, one that bombs first ask questions never, one that thinks its ok for kids to see mass carnage in movies but not a nipple ... has a violent crime problem? ... why are people shocked that a country that profits off war solves their disputes domestically with weapons?


    Next you'll telling me that because (America) let me play with army guys and toy guns as a kid its going to turn me into a killer :roll:
    Or that because I ate candy cigs as a kid is going to lead to me smoking :roll:
    um...ya, the army guys and toy guns add to the military programming and desensitization of our kids, whether you want to admit it or not. Doesn't make you a murderer, but contributes to the culture polaris is talking about.
    chadwick wrote:
    whilst kanada has zero problems? more homeless addicts reside in vancouver b.c. than anywhere else i know of. why? what are the reasons? there are a lot of gang crimes in Kanada.

    Kanada makes a nice 2x4 and a wonderful cup of coffee.
    don't think anyone says canada has no problems. Van is a beacon for drug addicts. They go there from all over Canada because drugs are cheaper in a port city, it's the only fuckin place warm enough to survive homeless year round, and because they have the best support programs anywhere in the country.
    Not sure what you're talkin bout with the coffee. Timmy's? :D
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Drowned Out wrote:
    um...ya, the army guys and toy guns add to the military programming and desensitization of our kids, whether you want to admit it or not. Doesn't make you a murderer, but contributes to the culture polaris is talking about.
    Waiting for proof...
    I guess putting those big, juicy popsicles in my mouth and playing with my bare-chested he-man figures as a kid made me..........
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Blockhead wrote:
    Drowned Out wrote:
    um...ya, the army guys and toy guns add to the military programming and desensitization of our kids, whether you want to admit it or not. Doesn't make you a murderer, but contributes to the culture polaris is talking about.
    Waiting for proof...
    I guess putting those big, juicy popsicles in my mouth and playing with my bare-chested he-man figures as a kid made me..........
    a homophobe?

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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,669
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    eMMI wrote:
    I'm not saying guns should be banned and that nobody should have guns. People hunt etc, and that's fine.

    But getting a gun should NOT be as easy as it can be. They should not be legally available to people who can't handle them responsibly. Now, I'm sorry if that's a bit of an inconvenience to some of you, but surely it's a small price to pay. If it's your right to own a gun and you have a sensible reason to have one and you know how to handle them (don't go berserk and shoot others) - surely you'll have no problem jumping through a couple of hoops to get your firearm. It's not taking away your rights, it's not about "the man" putting you down, it's about public safety.

    How can you impose such restrictions and screenings without infringing upon the Constitutional rights of everyone?

    Would a car analogy work in this situation. To get a license to drive, we have to be of age and pass periodic tests. There's plenty of laws and restrictions on how to drive and penalties if you drive irresponsibly. Cars don't kill people, but people in cars certainly do. You can lose your license due to medical conditions, failing the test, irresponsible driving, or even committing unrelated offenses. If you own a car you have to register it and connect it to your name, address, etc. You also have to pay insurance to drive it. Police monitor you when you drive. It's illegal to drive under the influence. There's a lot of safety regulations on cars themselves. It sounds like the government imposes way more restrictions on driving than using a gun. I wonder how we've survived all these years under this Stalinesque control?
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    people kill people guns don't kill people.
    very sad story but just because he used a gun dose not mean I have to give mine up
    not for you or anybody else.

    Godfather.

    No Offense Godfather, but I disagree with this old saying.
    Just last year a kid brought a gun to school and it fell out of his backpack and discharged. I believe bullets struck two children. I know, you're going to say that it was his negligence though. The point is that it wasn't intentional. Yes, it was an accident, but the gun was the problem.

    13 years ago I came into the room where my roomate/friend was cleaning a shotgun. I though maybe I should know how to operate the thing because we lived in a bad neighborhood. MY roomate/friend is a long time gun owner, smart, and very knowledgeable. I didnt even think the shotgun was completely assmebled before the thing suddenly discharged and the round missed my head by about two feet. I couldnt hear out of my left ear for a week. I felt the 'whoosh' of the pellets. The round hit the ceiling a few feet behind me and went clear out of the roof outside. My friend/roomate has since gone on to become a cop ;) . Seriously. So I am sorry if I just cant agree with "guns dont kill people, people kill people". These were unintentional acts that could've killed people. I cringe when I see a gun now. Once a bullet accidentally flies by your head, you tend to think things through a little differently.

    no brother the gun was not the problem the kid taking it to school was the problem and your friend with the shotgun was again negligence, these weapons are not toy's and not to be mishandled,unfortunate accidents like these happen and it's not because the gun loaded and aimed itself then fired, every time it is human error.

    Godfather.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Godfather. wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    people kill people guns don't kill people.
    very sad story but just because he used a gun dose not mean I have to give mine up
    not for you or anybody else.

    Godfather.

    No Offense Godfather, but I disagree with this old saying.
    Just last year a kid brought a gun to school and it fell out of his backpack and discharged. I believe bullets struck two children. I know, you're going to say that it was his negligence though. The point is that it wasn't intentional. Yes, it was an accident, but the gun was the problem.

    13 years ago I came into the room where my roomate/friend was cleaning a shotgun. I though maybe I should know how to operate the thing because we lived in a bad neighborhood. MY roomate/friend is a long time gun owner, smart, and very knowledgeable. I didnt even think the shotgun was completely assmebled before the thing suddenly discharged and the round missed my head by about two feet. I couldnt hear out of my left ear for a week. I felt the 'whoosh' of the pellets. The round hit the ceiling a few feet behind me and went clear out of the roof outside. My friend/roomate has since gone on to become a cop ;) . Seriously. So I am sorry if I just cant agree with "guns dont kill people, people kill people". These were unintentional acts that could've killed people. I cringe when I see a gun now. Once a bullet accidentally flies by your head, you tend to think things through a little differently.

    no brother the gun was not the problem the kid taking it to school was the problem and your friend with the shotgun was again negligence, these weapons are not toy's and not to be mishandled,unfortunate accidents like these happen and it's not because the gun loaded and aimed itself then fired, every time it is human error.

    Godfather.

    Exactly my point.. even a trained, respected, and trusted friend can be negligent. You could even say I was negligent to enter the room that had a gun in it. I had a bad feeling about it. Even the most trusted person is human and capable of human error. Nobody is perfect. The way I see it is, that people kill people when its intentional, and guns kill people when its unintentional or negligence -- otherwise that person wouldnt be dead if a gun wasnt in the equation -- its otherwise impossible for that person to die, therefore, the negligence combined with the gun killed someone. But, I guess well have to agree to disagree.

    as far as the old saying goes, yes kike I said I agree 'people kill people", but they do it with guns, and many are by accident. I will modify that old saying: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people with guns."
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    cool fair enough JP I'm good with that.

    Godfather.
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