[quoting of insulting unnecessary name-calling removed]
why fight like a man when they can tilt the odds in their favor like they do in politics and in business? there are no fair fights when you oppose a neocon like cheney, bush, rummy, rice, et al...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
[quoting of insulting unnecessary name-calling removed]
ummmm....and just what is your definition of a man ? and " Put your guns down America" ?....yea right... maybe if you get car jacked or become the victim of a home invasion you can hit the
intruder with your purse and tell that pussie to put his gun down and fight like a man
for some reason your post/idea just don't work for me .
I always have to laugh when this comes up again. it's the same tired old bullshit. "the government is coming for me, so I need a gun to protect myself".
you people don't give a flying fuck about the constitution. you only say you do because shooting a gun somehow makes you feel like a man, and since it's in there, you quote it endlessly.
guns have absolutely no use in modern society. if you don't hunt for your food, you don't need a goddamn gun. case closed.
:roll: Home protection...
Some people use guns as recreation, sport, Olympic evens, entertainment, ect.
Quit sounding like an idiot.
[quoting of insulting unnecessary name-calling removed]
haha, try saying that when a criminal has a gun to one your family members head.
You people are [insulting unnecessary rudeness removed]
to realize that any gun control is only going to affect law abiding citizens.
also why do you say "america" in every one of your posts?
[quoting of insulting unnecessary name-calling removed]
haha, try saying that when a criminal has a gun to one your family members head.
You people are to stupid to realize that any gun control is only going to affect law abiding citizens.
also why do you say "america" in every one of your posts?
i think you leaving out the number of deaths resulting from accidents that involve licensed, or in your case "responsible" gun owners.....remember the case of the 10 year old shooting himself in the face with a mac 10 or ak-47 at the gun show last year? the dad and the guy running the booth gave him permisson to shoot and the recoil forced the gun up and he ended up killing himself. what about the guns that discharge accidently and injure or kill someone? we had a cop here recently who was cleaning his gun and it discharged shooting another cop in the head. so you calling brandon stupid is kind of ironic when you say that gun control will only affect the law abiding citizens. it would be stupid to think that more guns will protect everybody, because obvioulsly that has not been the case....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
[quoting of insulting unnecessary name-calling removed]
haha, try saying that when a criminal has a gun to one your family members head.
You people are to stupid to realize that any gun control is only going to affect law abiding citizens.
also why do you say "america" in every one of your posts?
I'm thinking that if someone has your family at gunpoint then the last thing that situation requires is another gun.
Also, can you provide stats as to how many home invasions were staved off because of the owner having a gun, or of when joe public drew down to prevent a crime, honest question, it's not really something I've heard over here.
It would seem as though my original question has been answered - this is a horror that is set out to be repeated over and over again because of purely selfish reasons.
A few of my questions have continued to gone unanswered however, not suprising. How do other countries - Canada, most of the developed world - manage without it's citizens being armed?
As gun laws stand, there continues to be a spiral of these mass shootings, which may suggest that current legislation is not working, therefore would it not then suggest that new regulations are required? (no mention of taking your children - sorry guns)
If the majority of gun deaths occur because of user error - as has been suggested - does that mean that Americans are particularly stupid when it comes to firearms?
Obama was referred to as Hitler 2, still waiting on the comparison.
[quoting of insulting unnecessary name-calling removed]
haha, try saying that when a criminal has a gun to one your family members head.
You people are to stupid to realize that any gun control is only going to affect law abiding citizens.
also why do you say "america" in every one of your posts?
I'm thinking that if someone has your family at gunpoint then the last thing that situation requires is another gun.
Also, can you provide stats as to how many home invasions were staved off because of the owner having a gun, or of when joe public drew down to prevent a crime, honest question, it's not really something I've heard over here.
I myself have twice used a gun to run off would be burglers,you should see the look in their eyes when they hear that hammer pulled back.. priceless.
my uncle who was a cop (retired) always keeps a gun handy,one day on his way back up north going thru long beach at about 2am three cars forced him to pull over and one of the guys told him to leave his wife with them and he could leave then out came the gun and all these bad guys couldn't run fast enough, you've heard the ol saying "never bring a knife to a gun fight".
the way I see it if you don't want to own a gun that's fine with me but over several million or so registered gun owners would rather not have listen to the ramblings of a person who wants to eleminate gun ownership in America and besides we both know it will never happen.
What about my right to not worry about getting shot, or worry about someone I love getting shot? I'm not worried about getting stabbed or having acid thrown in my face. No one is out to kill me, but I could get killed by a stray bullet... people are killed accidentally by guns pretty much every day. Yes, people will die in other accidents, but the accidental deaths by guns don't need to happen. We don't need people hunting with guns either. All guns should be banned, everywhere.
A friend of a friend died from an accidental gun shot to the chest just about month ago. And these are just a few examples of what a quick google search will find:
I always have to laugh when this comes up again. it's the same tired old bullshit. "the government is coming for me, so I need a gun to protect myself".
you people don't give a flying fuck about the constitution. you only say you do because shooting a gun somehow makes you feel like a man, and since it's in there, you quote it endlessly.
guns have absolutely no use in modern society. if you don't hunt for your food, you don't need a goddamn gun. case closed.
I always have to laugh when this comes up again. it's the same tired old bullshit. "the government is coming for me, so I need a gun to protect myself".
you people don't give a flying fuck about the constitution. you only say you do because shooting a gun somehow makes you feel like a man, and since it's in there, you quote it endlessly.
guns have absolutely no use in modern society. if you don't hunt for your food, you don't need a goddamn gun. case closed.
:roll: Home protection...
Some people use guns as recreation, sport, Olympic evens, entertainment, ect.
Quit sounding like an idiot.
how nice. for your information, the same people that blather on and on about home protection are the same ones who talk about hitler taking away the weapons of the people in an effort overthrow them. because this is what your forefathers wanted to protect you against.
olympic events. yes, that's a very common need. skiing and shooting a gun. right up there with swimming and strangling a guy. makes perfect sense to me.
I don't give a shit if people use them for recreation. would it be ok with you if I used a bazooka for recreation? or a tank?
ENTERTAINMENT? that's one of your counterpoints? and you are saying I sound like an idiot???
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
how nice. for your information, the same people that blather on and on about home protection are the same ones who talk about hitler taking away the weapons of the people in an effort overthrow them. because this is what your forefathers wanted to protect you against.
olympic events. yes, that's a very common need. skiing and shooting a gun. right up there with swimming and strangling a guy. makes perfect sense to me.
I don't give a shit if people use them for recreation. would it be ok with you if I used a bazooka for recreation? or a tank?
ENTERTAINMENT? that's one of your counterpoints? and you are saying I sound like an idiot???
our homes were always loaded with guns. why? because the ole man always got death threats at work, against all of us anyway. he always told 'em to fuckin bring it, no one ever stopped by, one escape convict kinda tried but failed miserably.
the ole' man had a loaded gun in the nightstand, several under the bed, many in the closet, on the walls, and in gun racks. some ready to go, other not so much. sometime he slept with a gun under his pillow with his switch blade on the nightstand next to his dad's WWII trench knife.
yes please get a tank and bazooka
that would be the frickin shit
then light something on fire and run it over
Another thread that proves Neocons are pussies. Put your guns down America...learn to fight like a man.
ummmm....and just what is your definition of a man ? and " Put your guns down America" ?....yea right... maybe if you get car jacked or become the victim of a home invasion you can hit the
intruder with your purse and tell that pussie to put his gun down and fight like a man
for some reason your post/idea just don't work for me .
Godfather.
Maybe it doesn't work for you because you live in a fucked up country full of guns without any gun control.
I live in Canada. We aren't paranoid of the guvment here. There are still gun problems, but not nearly to the extent you deal with in the U.S. I don't even lock the doors to my house at night.
Guns are stupid....period!!
Actually guns aren't stupid, people are stupid. Too stupid to own guns. Especially Republicans
That should be the new saying..." Guns aren't stupid....People are stupid".
Another thread that proves Neocons are pussies. Put your guns down America...learn to fight like a man.
ummmm....and just what is your definition of a man ? and " Put your guns down America" ?....yea right... maybe if you get car jacked or become the victim of a home invasion you can hit the
intruder with your purse and tell that pussie to put his gun down and fight like a man
for some reason your post/idea just don't work for me .
Godfather.
Maybe it doesn't work for you because you live in a fucked up country full of guns without any gun control.
I live in Canada. We aren't paranoid of the guvment here. There are still gun problems, but not nearly to the extent you deal with in the U.S. I don't even lock the doors to my house at night.
Guns are stupid....period!!
Actually guns aren't stupid, people are stupid. Too stupid to own guns. Especially Republicans
That should be the new saying..." Guns aren't stupid....People are stupid".
guns are stupid ? I'm sure glad you don't own one.
I have spent time in Canada a few times it's a nice place but isn't your business' or jobs being out-sourced as well ? and crimes with gun's....those stupid people I may not know a lot about Canada but I know a little..
enough to know it's not the paradice you seem to think it is, the rules may be a bit different but Canada has as many issues as America.
Ben Franklin said, “Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security”.
I think Electric Delta stated it pretty clearly.
Confused? For starters, look up Ben Franklin....
who is advocating giving up liberty for security? your example has nothing to do with this discussion.
that happened when your boy bush signed the patriot act. we gave up certain freedoms so everyone can feel all safe and warm and snuggly and "secure". i don't see you complaining about giving up those liberties...
nobody is advocating taking all guns. nobody at all. so calm dawn.
it is a stupid argument to make that if they want to put restrictions on gun ownership, or make people get a license to buy a gun, that that it taking away your liberty.
and the application of that franklin quote is faulty logic. wouldn't taking your liberty (right to own a gun) also take away your right to protect yourself (security)??? :?
You mean the same Patriot Act your boy Obama just renewed?
You people are to stupid to realize that any gun control is only going to affect law abiding citizens.
Ahh, your usual charming approach..nice.
I would love it if guns were nearly impossible to obtain...that's all. I definitely would love it if law abiding citizens had to do a little more work or waiting to get a gun. I mean, for god sake, I have to wait forever at the DMV for a drivers license...it seems easier to get a gun these days...I don't want to take them away. It is simply too easy for anyone to get one though. And the caliber and magazine capacities are unnecessary. I'm pretty sure the accidents outweigh the scenarios where guns are used to save your live (but that's just a guess).
(Also, aside from the affect vs. effect lesson, maybe check out "too vs. to" before you call others stupid.)
You mean the same Patriot Act your boy Obama just renewed?
yes that patriot act, as if there is more than one patriot act or something.... that set of laws is the definition of giving up liberty for security, which all of us at that time were so willing to do. we gave those freedoms away. so the point raised by you and parachute is moot and does not apply to the gun debate.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
You mean the same Patriot Act your boy Obama just renewed?
yes that patriot act, as if there is more than one patriot act or something.... that set of laws is the definition of giving up liberty for security, which all of us at that time were so willing to do. we gave those freedoms away. so the point raised by you and parachute is moot and does not apply to the gun debate.
Who gave their rights away? I don't remeber the government calling for my opinion.
You mean the same Patriot Act your boy Obama just renewed?
yes that patriot act, as if there is more than one patriot act or something.... that set of laws is the definition of giving up liberty for security, which all of us at that time were so willing to do. we gave those freedoms away. so the point raised by you and parachute is moot and does not apply to the gun debate.
Who gave their rights away? I don't remeber the government calling for my opinion.
did you protest it? if not you let them take your rights away. end of story.
can you be wiretapped without a warrant?
can your neighbor report you to authorities on suspicion of anything at all?
do you have to endure tsa patdowns at the airport?
so yeah, by going along with it, you gave up your liberties for security. we all did, either willingly or unwillingly.
don't be all sanctimonious and say the big bad government took away your rights, by not fighting for them you let them take them.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
You people are to stupid to realize that any gun control is only going to affect law abiding citizens.
Ahh, your usual charming approach..nice.
I would love it if guns were nearly impossible to obtain...that's all. I definitely would love it if law abiding citizens had to do a little more work or waiting to get a gun. I mean, for god sake, I have to wait forever at the DMV for a drivers license...it seems easier to get a gun these days...I don't want to take them away. It is simply too easy for anyone to get one though. And the caliber and magazine capacities are unnecessary. I'm pretty sure the accidents outweigh the scenarios where guns are used to save your live (but that's just a guess).
(Also, aside from the affect vs. effect lesson, maybe check out "too vs. to" before you call others stupid.)
usual approach because in AMT "political party view" always trumps logic.
What do you mean it seems easier to get a gun these days? Have you tried getting a gun/Conceal carry permit?
maybe obtaining guns illegally and not following the rules is the problem.
If your a criminal about to commit a crime, are you more inclined to commit a crime knowing people are allowed and could be carrying guns or knowing people are not allowed to carry guns/against the law?
You people are to stupid to realize that any gun control is only going to affect law abiding citizens.
Ahh, your usual charming approach..nice.
I would love it if guns were nearly impossible to obtain...that's all. I definitely would love it if law abiding citizens had to do a little more work or waiting to get a gun. I mean, for god sake, I have to wait forever at the DMV for a drivers license...it seems easier to get a gun these days...I don't want to take them away. It is simply too easy for anyone to get one though. And the caliber and magazine capacities are unnecessary. I'm pretty sure the accidents outweigh the scenarios where guns are used to save your live (but that's just a guess).
(Also, aside from the affect vs. effect lesson, maybe check out "too vs. to" before you call others stupid.)
So you just took someone else post on affect vs effect as fact without knowing? Great, now I know you don't form your own opinions. Maybe actually look up how the words are used again. its Affect with an A.
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why fight like a man when they can tilt the odds in their favor like they do in politics and in business? there are no fair fights when you oppose a neocon like cheney, bush, rummy, rice, et al...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
ummmm....and just what is your definition of a man ? and " Put your guns down America" ?....yea right...
intruder with your purse and tell that pussie to put his gun down and fight like a man
for some reason your post/idea just don't work for me .
Godfather.
Godfather.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 15637.html
-or-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
Some people use guns as recreation, sport, Olympic evens, entertainment, ect.
Quit sounding like an idiot.
haha, try saying that when a criminal has a gun to one your family members head.
You people are [insulting unnecessary rudeness removed]
to realize that any gun control is only going to affect law abiding citizens.
also why do you say "america" in every one of your posts?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm thinking that if someone has your family at gunpoint then the last thing that situation requires is another gun.
Also, can you provide stats as to how many home invasions were staved off because of the owner having a gun, or of when joe public drew down to prevent a crime, honest question, it's not really something I've heard over here.
A few of my questions have continued to gone unanswered however, not suprising. How do other countries - Canada, most of the developed world - manage without it's citizens being armed?
As gun laws stand, there continues to be a spiral of these mass shootings, which may suggest that current legislation is not working, therefore would it not then suggest that new regulations are required? (no mention of taking your children - sorry guns)
If the majority of gun deaths occur because of user error - as has been suggested - does that mean that Americans are particularly stupid when it comes to firearms?
Obama was referred to as Hitler 2, still waiting on the comparison.
I myself have twice used a gun to run off would be burglers,you should see the look in their eyes when they hear that hammer pulled back.. priceless.
my uncle who was a cop (retired) always keeps a gun handy,one day on his way back up north going thru long beach at about 2am three cars forced him to pull over and one of the guys told him to leave his wife with them and he could leave then out came the gun and all these bad guys couldn't run fast enough, you've heard the ol saying "never bring a knife to a gun fight".
the way I see it if you don't want to own a gun that's fine with me but over several million or so registered gun owners would rather not have listen to the ramblings of a person who wants to eleminate gun ownership in America and besides we both know it will never happen.
Godfather.
I am.
Again, I am.
What about my right to not worry about getting shot, or worry about someone I love getting shot? I'm not worried about getting stabbed or having acid thrown in my face. No one is out to kill me, but I could get killed by a stray bullet... people are killed accidentally by guns pretty much every day. Yes, people will die in other accidents, but the accidental deaths by guns don't need to happen. We don't need people hunting with guns either. All guns should be banned, everywhere.
A friend of a friend died from an accidental gun shot to the chest just about month ago. And these are just a few examples of what a quick google search will find:
http://yellowtape.blogs.starnewsonline. ... uties-say/
http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/121955179.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27399337/ns ... -gun-show/
http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2010 ... 814169.txt
http://www.fresnobee.com/2011/06/16/242 ... -girl.html
If this were ever to happen to my kid, don't even think about trying to defend gun ownership in my proximity!
billy pumpkin or i mean paul david, yes/no?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
don't flame me.... it is a serious question...
if we don't ask serious questions, then there will be no contemplating the very root of the issues...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
how nice. for your information, the same people that blather on and on about home protection are the same ones who talk about hitler taking away the weapons of the people in an effort overthrow them. because this is what your forefathers wanted to protect you against.
olympic events. yes, that's a very common need. skiing and shooting a gun. right up there with swimming and strangling a guy. makes perfect sense to me.
I don't give a shit if people use them for recreation. would it be ok with you if I used a bazooka for recreation? or a tank?
ENTERTAINMENT? that's one of your counterpoints? and you are saying I sound like an idiot???
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
our homes were always loaded with guns. why? because the ole man always got death threats at work, against all of us anyway. he always told 'em to fuckin bring it, no one ever stopped by, one escape convict kinda tried but failed miserably.
the ole' man had a loaded gun in the nightstand, several under the bed, many in the closet, on the walls, and in gun racks. some ready to go, other not so much. sometime he slept with a gun under his pillow with his switch blade on the nightstand next to his dad's WWII trench knife.
yes please get a tank and bazooka
that would be the frickin shit
then light something on fire and run it over
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
and several others.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
is this all you are capable of doing? if so, please move on.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
You mean we are 'too stupid'? :think:
Oh, and it's 'effect', not 'affect'.
Maybe it doesn't work for you because you live in a fucked up country full of guns without any gun control.
I live in Canada. We aren't paranoid of the guvment here. There are still gun problems, but not nearly to the extent you deal with in the U.S. I don't even lock the doors to my house at night.
Guns are stupid....period!!
Actually guns aren't stupid, people are stupid. Too stupid to own guns. Especially Republicans
That should be the new saying..." Guns aren't stupid....People are stupid".
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
guns are stupid ? I'm sure glad you don't own one.
I have spent time in Canada a few times it's a nice place but isn't your business' or jobs being out-sourced as well ? and crimes with gun's....those stupid people
enough to know it's not the paradice you seem to think it is, the rules may be a bit different but Canada has as many issues as America.
Godfather.
You mean the same Patriot Act your boy Obama just renewed?
Ahh, your usual charming approach..nice.
I would love it if guns were nearly impossible to obtain...that's all. I definitely would love it if law abiding citizens had to do a little more work or waiting to get a gun. I mean, for god sake, I have to wait forever at the DMV for a drivers license...it seems easier to get a gun these days...I don't want to take them away. It is simply too easy for anyone to get one though. And the caliber and magazine capacities are unnecessary. I'm pretty sure the accidents outweigh the scenarios where guns are used to save your live (but that's just a guess).
(Also, aside from the affect vs. effect lesson, maybe check out "too vs. to" before you call others stupid.)
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Who gave their rights away? I don't remeber the government calling for my opinion.
did you protest it? if not you let them take your rights away. end of story.
can you be wiretapped without a warrant?
can your neighbor report you to authorities on suspicion of anything at all?
do you have to endure tsa patdowns at the airport?
so yeah, by going along with it, you gave up your liberties for security. we all did, either willingly or unwillingly.
don't be all sanctimonious and say the big bad government took away your rights, by not fighting for them you let them take them.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
What do you mean it seems easier to get a gun these days? Have you tried getting a gun/Conceal carry permit?
maybe obtaining guns illegally and not following the rules is the problem.
If your a criminal about to commit a crime, are you more inclined to commit a crime knowing people are allowed and could be carrying guns or knowing people are not allowed to carry guns/against the law?