When is this going to end, does anyone really care?

Electric_Delta

Go Beavers wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

People need a way to protect themselves and their freedoms. America's forefathers knew this.

On the other hand, tyrants (see: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Fidel Castro, Kim Jong-Il, etc) immediately confiscated weapons and subjected the populace to inhuman oppression and in some cases, genocide.

How can any sensible, freedom-loving human being advocate stealing guns from the populace? Because it SOUNDS nice?

People have choices. No gun owners I know are violent.

It only took the 5th response for someone to reference Hitler. Well done!

I was making a point. He confiscated firearms and look what happened. Hitler's name is mentioned when rights are stripped from the people because he was kind of the archetypical tyrant.


Just because you find mentioning Hitler to be cliche doesn't lessen the relevance brought to the discussion.

Electric_Delta

Moonpig wrote:

If this is your logic for keeping legislation as it is. That guns contribute nothing to the overall problem?? In that case, given that this tends to be a largly American phenominon are we to assume that Americans are particularly stupid when it comes to firearms?

No, you just hear more about these isolated gun crimes in the United States because this country hasn't been disarmed by the United Nations yet. George Soros and the rest of the media want nothing more than to steal away the second amendment. There is a constant war going on against this freedom.

Case in point, every time a crime happens, some anti-gun Congressman or Senator introduces legislation to take guns away. That's like taking kitchen knives away because one person cut their finger while slicing carrots.

CH156378

makes me wonder where all the heros with their concealed weapons where to take this guy down. better luck next time.

Moonpig

Electric_Delta wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

If this is your logic for keeping legislation as it is. That guns contribute nothing to the overall problem?? In that case, given that this tends to be a largly American phenominon are we to assume that Americans are particularly stupid when it comes to firearms?

No, you just hear more about these isolated gun crimes in the United States because this country hasn't been disarmed by the United Nations yet. George Soros and the rest of the media want nothing more than to steal away the second amendment. There is a constant war going on against this freedom.

Case in point, every time a crime happens, some anti-gun Congressman or Senator introduces legislation to take guns away. That's like taking kitchen knives away because one person cut their finger while slicing carrots.

Wow, just wow. Once again, I am not advocating the confiscation of your all important guns. Serioulsy it actually amazes me how some of you show more care, love and devotion for these weapons than you do for your fellow man. The lack of empathy some show when speaking of human suffering is contrasted hugely by your utter devotion to the barrel.

Is thighter regulation really going to mean the end of the world as we know it. Is Hitler 2 really waiting behind some bushes for it to happen??

Parachute

CH156378 wrote:

makes me wonder where all the heros with their concealed weapons where to take this guy down. better luck next time.

So as far as saving the day- ever- we can count you out.

Parachute

Moonpig wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

If this is your logic for keeping legislation as it is. That guns contribute nothing to the overall problem?? In that case, given that this tends to be a largly American phenominon are we to assume that Americans are particularly stupid when it comes to firearms?

No, you just hear more about these isolated gun crimes in the United States because this country hasn't been disarmed by the United Nations yet. George Soros and the rest of the media want nothing more than to steal away the second amendment. There is a constant war going on against this freedom.

Case in point, every time a crime happens, some anti-gun Congressman or Senator introduces legislation to take guns away. That's like taking kitchen knives away because one person cut their finger while slicing carrots.

Wow, just wow. Once again, I am not advocating the confiscation of your all important guns. Serioulsy it actually amazes me how some of you show more care, love and devotion for these weapons than you do for your fellow man. The lack of empathy some show when speaking of human suffering is contrasted hugely by your utter devotion to the barrel.

Is thighter regulation really going to mean the end of the world as we know it. Is Hitler 2 really waiting behind some bushes for it to happen??

Don't confuse "devotion to the barrel" with my devotion to the Constitution.

By defending that document, without which, all your rights would be stripped away- I am practicing devotion to "my fellow man".

And "Hitler 2" is not in the bushes, he's in The White House.

gimmesometruth27

Parachute wrote:

And "Hitler 2" is not in the bushes, he's in The White House.

Go Beavers

Parachute wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

No, you just hear more about these isolated gun crimes in the United States because this country hasn't been disarmed by the United Nations yet. George Soros and the rest of the media want nothing more than to steal away the second amendment. There is a constant war going on against this freedom.

Case in point, every time a crime happens, some anti-gun Congressman or Senator introduces legislation to take guns away. That's like taking kitchen knives away because one person cut their finger while slicing carrots.

Wow, just wow. Once again, I am not advocating the confiscation of your all important guns. Serioulsy it actually amazes me how some of you show more care, love and devotion for these weapons than you do for your fellow man. The lack of empathy some show when speaking of human suffering is contrasted hugely by your utter devotion to the barrel.

Is thighter regulation really going to mean the end of the world as we know it. Is Hitler 2 really waiting behind some bushes for it to happen??

Don't confuse "devotion to the barrel" with my devotion to the Constitution.

By defending that document, without which, all your rights would be stripped away- I am practicing devotion to "my fellow man".

And "Hitler 2" is not in the bushes, he's in The White House.

Sound like parachute and electric delta have turned their freedom over to the fear mongers. "every time" one of the 10 to 12 thousand annual homicides with a gun happens someone wants to legislate taking away guns? No need for rational thought, Hitler 2 is in office!!!! As long as you two allow yourselves to be manipulated by fear, someone will be there to make money off of you.

Electric_Delta

You want to talk fear-mongering? Let's talk about the media who tries to convince everyone to hand over their liberties in exchange for "security."

Go Beavers

Electric_Delta wrote:

You want to talk fear-mongering? Let's talk about the media who tries to convince everyone to hand over their liberties in exchange for "security."

I'd rather stay on topic/have a back-and-forth about what we've said in this thread.

Electric_Delta

Go Beavers wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

You want to talk fear-mongering? Let's talk about the media who tries to convince everyone to hand over their liberties in exchange for "security."

I'd rather stay on topic/have a back-and-forth about what we've said in this thread.

I am. "Give up your guns for security. We're the government-run media. We know what's best for you."

gimmesometruth27

Electric_Delta wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

You want to talk fear-mongering? Let's talk about the media who tries to convince everyone to hand over their liberties in exchange for "security."

I'd rather stay on topic/have a back-and-forth about what we've said in this thread.

I am. "Give up your guns for security. We're the government-run media. We know what's best for you."

with all due respect, what are you talking about?

Parachute

BEAVERS:


I AM THE FEAR MONGER.

Parachute

GIMME:

Ben Franklin said, “Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security”.

I think Electric Delta stated it pretty clearly.

Confused? For starters, look up Ben Franklin....

gimmesometruth27

Parachute wrote:

GIMME:

Ben Franklin said, “Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security”.

I think Electric Delta stated it pretty clearly.

Confused? For starters, look up Ben Franklin....

who is advocating giving up liberty for security? your example has nothing to do with this discussion.

that happened when your boy bush signed the patriot act. we gave up certain freedoms so everyone can feel all safe and warm and snuggly and "secure". i don't see you complaining about giving up those liberties...

nobody is advocating taking all guns. nobody at all. so calm dawn.

it is a stupid argument to make that if they want to put restrictions on gun ownership, or make people get a license to buy a gun, that that it taking away your liberty.

and the application of that franklin quote is faulty logic. wouldn't taking your liberty (right to own a gun) also take away your right to protect yourself (security)??? :?

Moonpig

Parachute wrote:

And "Hitler 2" is not in the bushes, he's in The White House.

Right time to back up the sound bites, if you can. Are you really telling me that you are comparing a man that killed over 6 million people, changed the face of Europe forever, had many of his political opponents disappear, to that of the current encumbant? If so, back it up with some facts please

Go Beavers

Go Beavers wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

eMMI wrote:

I'm not saying guns should be banned and that nobody should have guns. People hunt etc, and that's fine.

But getting a gun should NOT be as easy as it can be. They should not be legally available to people who can't handle them responsibly. Now, I'm sorry if that's a bit of an inconvenience to some of you, but surely it's a small price to pay. If it's your right to own a gun and you have a sensible reason to have one and you know how to handle them (don't go berserk and shoot others) - surely you'll have no problem jumping through a couple of hoops to get your firearm. It's not taking away your rights, it's not about "the man" putting you down, it's about public safety.

How can you impose such restrictions and screenings without infringing upon the Constitutional rights of everyone?

Would a car analogy work in this situation. To get a license to drive, we have to be of age and pass periodic tests. There's plenty of laws and restrictions on how to drive and penalties if you drive irresponsibly. Cars don't kill people, but people in cars certainly do. You can lose your license due to medical conditions, failing the test, irresponsible driving, or even committing unrelated offenses. If you own a car you have to register it and connect it to your name, address, etc. You also have to pay insurance to drive it. Police monitor you when you drive. It's illegal to drive under the influence. There's a lot of safety regulations on cars themselves. It sounds like the government imposes way more restrictions on driving than using a gun. I wonder how we've survived all these years under this Stalinesque control?

By lack-of-response default, I guess my analogy does work.

Byrnzie

Jason P wrote:

Democrats are scared shitless of the N.R.A. Republicans like the N.R.A. That pretty much sums it up.

So you don't like to exagerrate much then?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I always have to laugh when this comes up again. it's the same tired old bullshit. "the government is coming for me, so I need a gun to protect myself".

you people don't give a flying fuck about the constitution. you only say you do because shooting a gun somehow makes you feel like a man, and since it's in there, you quote it endlessly.

guns have absolutely no use in modern society. if you don't hunt for your food, you don't need a goddamn gun. case closed.

brandon10

Another thread that proves [insulting unnecessary name-calling removed]. Put your guns down America...learn to fight like a man.