When is this going to end, does anyone really care?

Godfather.

brandon10 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

brandon10 wrote:

Another thread that proves Neocons are pussies. Put your guns down America...learn to fight like a man.

ummmm....and just what is your definition of a man ? and " Put your guns down America" ?....yea right... maybe if you get car jacked or become the victim of a home invasion you can hit the
intruder with your purse and tell that pussie to put his gun down and fight like a man
for some reason your post/idea just don't work for me .

Godfather.

Maybe it doesn't work for you because you live in a fucked up country full of guns without any gun control.

I live in Canada. We aren't paranoid of the guvment here. There are still gun problems, but not nearly to the extent you deal with in the U.S. I don't even lock the doors to my house at night.

Guns are stupid....period!!

Actually guns aren't stupid, people are stupid. Too stupid to own guns. Especially Republicans

That should be the new saying..." Guns aren't stupid....People are stupid".

guns are stupid ? I'm sure glad you don't own one.
I have spent time in Canada a few times it's a nice place but isn't your business' or jobs being out-sourced as well ? and crimes with gun's....those stupid people I may not know a lot about Canada but I know a little..
enough to know it's not the paradice you seem to think it is, the rules may be a bit different but Canada has as many issues as America.

Godfather.

Electric_Delta

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Parachute wrote:

GIMME:

Ben Franklin said, “Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security”.

I think Electric Delta stated it pretty clearly.

Confused? For starters, look up Ben Franklin....

who is advocating giving up liberty for security? your example has nothing to do with this discussion.

that happened when your boy bush signed the patriot act. we gave up certain freedoms so everyone can feel all safe and warm and snuggly and "secure". i don't see you complaining about giving up those liberties...

nobody is advocating taking all guns. nobody at all. so calm dawn.

it is a stupid argument to make that if they want to put restrictions on gun ownership, or make people get a license to buy a gun, that that it taking away your liberty.

and the application of that franklin quote is faulty logic. wouldn't taking your liberty (right to own a gun) also take away your right to protect yourself (security)??? :?

You mean the same Patriot Act your boy Obama just renewed?

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

You people are to stupid to realize that any gun control is only going to affect law abiding citizens.

Ahh, your usual charming approach..nice.

I would love it if guns were nearly impossible to obtain...that's all. I definitely would love it if law abiding citizens had to do a little more work or waiting to get a gun. I mean, for god sake, I have to wait forever at the DMV for a drivers license...it seems easier to get a gun these days...I don't want to take them away. It is simply too easy for anyone to get one though. And the caliber and magazine capacities are unnecessary. I'm pretty sure the accidents outweigh the scenarios where guns are used to save your live (but that's just a guess).

(Also, aside from the affect vs. effect lesson, maybe check out "too vs. to" before you call others stupid.)

gimmesometruth27

Electric_Delta wrote:

You mean the same Patriot Act your boy Obama just renewed?

yes that patriot act, as if there is more than one patriot act or something.... that set of laws is the definition of giving up liberty for security, which all of us at that time were so willing to do. we gave those freedoms away. so the point raised by you and parachute is moot and does not apply to the gun debate.

Electric_Delta

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

You mean the same Patriot Act your boy Obama just renewed?

yes that patriot act, as if there is more than one patriot act or something.... that set of laws is the definition of giving up liberty for security, which all of us at that time were so willing to do. we gave those freedoms away. so the point raised by you and parachute is moot and does not apply to the gun debate.

Who gave their rights away? I don't remeber the government calling for my opinion.

gimmesometruth27

Electric_Delta wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

You mean the same Patriot Act your boy Obama just renewed?

yes that patriot act, as if there is more than one patriot act or something.... that set of laws is the definition of giving up liberty for security, which all of us at that time were so willing to do. we gave those freedoms away. so the point raised by you and parachute is moot and does not apply to the gun debate.

Who gave their rights away? I don't remeber the government calling for my opinion.

did you protest it? if not you let them take your rights away. end of story.

can you be wiretapped without a warrant?
can your neighbor report you to authorities on suspicion of anything at all?
do you have to endure tsa patdowns at the airport?

so yeah, by going along with it, you gave up your liberties for security. we all did, either willingly or unwillingly.

don't be all sanctimonious and say the big bad government took away your rights, by not fighting for them you let them take them.

Blockhead

Byrnzie wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

You people are to stupid to realize that any gun control is only going to affect law abiding citizens.

You mean we are 'too stupid'? :think:

Oh, and it's 'effect', not 'affect'.

Affect with an "a" used as a verb...

Blockhead

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

You people are to stupid to realize...

is this all you are capable of doing? if so, please move on.

Is that all you are capable of doing? Please refute the logic...

Blockhead

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

You people are to stupid to realize that any gun control is only going to affect law abiding citizens.

Ahh, your usual charming approach..nice.

I would love it if guns were nearly impossible to obtain...that's all. I definitely would love it if law abiding citizens had to do a little more work or waiting to get a gun. I mean, for god sake, I have to wait forever at the DMV for a drivers license...it seems easier to get a gun these days...I don't want to take them away. It is simply too easy for anyone to get one though. And the caliber and magazine capacities are unnecessary. I'm pretty sure the accidents outweigh the scenarios where guns are used to save your live (but that's just a guess).

(Also, aside from the affect vs. effect lesson, maybe check out "too vs. to" before you call others stupid.)

usual approach because in AMT "political party view" always trumps logic.
What do you mean it seems easier to get a gun these days? Have you tried getting a gun/Conceal carry permit?
maybe obtaining guns illegally and not following the rules is the problem.
If your a criminal about to commit a crime, are you more inclined to commit a crime knowing people are allowed and could be carrying guns or knowing people are not allowed to carry guns/against the law?

Blockhead

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

You people are to stupid to realize that any gun control is only going to affect law abiding citizens.

Ahh, your usual charming approach..nice.

I would love it if guns were nearly impossible to obtain...that's all. I definitely would love it if law abiding citizens had to do a little more work or waiting to get a gun. I mean, for god sake, I have to wait forever at the DMV for a drivers license...it seems easier to get a gun these days...I don't want to take them away. It is simply too easy for anyone to get one though. And the caliber and magazine capacities are unnecessary. I'm pretty sure the accidents outweigh the scenarios where guns are used to save your live (but that's just a guess).

(Also, aside from the affect vs. effect lesson, maybe check out "too vs. to" before you call others stupid.)

So you just took someone else post on affect vs effect as fact without knowing? Great, now I know you don't form your own opinions. Maybe actually look up how the words are used again. its Affect with an A.

Electric_Delta

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

did you protest it? if not you let them take your rights away. end of story.

can you be wiretapped without a warrant?
can your neighbor report you to authorities on suspicion of anything at all?
do you have to endure tsa patdowns at the airport?

so yeah, by going along with it, you gave up your liberties for security. we all did, either willingly or unwillingly.

don't be all sanctimonious and say the big bad government took away your rights, by not fighting for them you let them take them.

Me sanctimonius? Are you serious? The big bad government DID take away our rights with the Patriot Act, and Barry lied when he said he'd repeal it. He didn't...and nobody said anything!

By the way, I lobby my representatives all the time. Sometimes you don't know as much as you think. And you call me sanctimonious.

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

You people are to stupid to realize that any gun control is only going to affect law abiding citizens.

Ahh, your usual charming approach..nice.

I would love it if guns were nearly impossible to obtain...that's all. I definitely would love it if law abiding citizens had to do a little more work or waiting to get a gun. I mean, for god sake, I have to wait forever at the DMV for a drivers license...it seems easier to get a gun these days...I don't want to take them away. It is simply too easy for anyone to get one though. And the caliber and magazine capacities are unnecessary. I'm pretty sure the accidents outweigh the scenarios where guns are used to save your live (but that's just a guess).

(Also, aside from the affect vs. effect lesson, maybe check out "too vs. to" before you call others stupid.)

usual approach because in AMT "political party view" always trumps logic.
What do you mean it seems easier to get a gun these days? Have you tried getting a gun/Conceal carry permit?
maybe obtaining guns illegally and not following the rules is the problem.

ah ok, your "logic" is the martyr!

No, I havent tried to get a gun or a permit. But I know how easy they are to obtain. I have a few friends that have purchased guns using alternative outlets as well... These people selling guns at places like flea markets and the likes, should have tougher penalties if caught doing it illegally.

Blockhead wrote:

If your a criminal about to commit a crime, are you more inclined to commit a crime knowing people are allowed and could be carrying guns or knowing people are not allowed to carry guns/against the law?

This is a good question, but its my opinion that most gun crime (especially in my area), is committed by uneducated folks who don't think much about their victims and the likelihood that the victims are packing. They don't care. Again though, I'm not saying they should be banned, just more difficult to obtain.

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

You people are to stupid to realize that any gun control is only going to affect law abiding citizens.

Ahh, your usual charming approach..nice.

I would love it if guns were nearly impossible to obtain...that's all. I definitely would love it if law abiding citizens had to do a little more work or waiting to get a gun. I mean, for god sake, I have to wait forever at the DMV for a drivers license...it seems easier to get a gun these days...I don't want to take them away. It is simply too easy for anyone to get one though. And the caliber and magazine capacities are unnecessary. I'm pretty sure the accidents outweigh the scenarios where guns are used to save your live (but that's just a guess).

(Also, aside from the affect vs. effect lesson, maybe check out "too vs. to" before you call others stupid.)

So you just took someone else post on affect vs effect as fact without knowing? Great, now I know you don't form your own opinions. Maybe actually look up how the words are used again. its Affect with an A.

haha, yeah, because of one post, I don't form my own opinions! You're a funny dude. Oh, and speaking of "you're"...

Blockhead wrote:

If your a criminal about to...

its you're not your.
dont even get me started on their, there, and they're.

gimmesometruth27

Electric_Delta wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

did you protest it? if not you let them take your rights away. end of story.

can you be wiretapped without a warrant?
can your neighbor report you to authorities on suspicion of anything at all?
do you have to endure tsa patdowns at the airport?

so yeah, by going along with it, you gave up your liberties for security. we all did, either willingly or unwillingly.

don't be all sanctimonious and say the big bad government took away your rights, by not fighting for them you let them take them.

Me sanctimonius? Are you serious? The big bad government DID take away our rights with the Patriot Act, and Barry lied when he said he'd repeal it. He didn't...and nobody said anything!

By the way, I lobby my representatives all the time. Sometimes you don't know as much as you think. And you call me sanctimonious.

great for you, glad to see you taking part in the system..

but you never answered my question of "how does making getting a gun a little tougher equal sacrificing liberty for security?"

Parachute

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Parachute wrote:

GIMME:

Ben Franklin said, “Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security”.

I think Electric Delta stated it pretty clearly.

Confused? For starters, look up Ben Franklin....

who is advocating giving up liberty for security? your example has nothing to do with this discussion.

that happened when your boy bush signed the patriot act. we gave up certain freedoms so everyone can feel all safe and warm and snuggly and "secure". i don't see you complaining about giving up those liberties...

nobody is advocating taking all guns. nobody at all. so calm dawn.

it is a stupid argument to make that if they want to put restrictions on gun ownership, or make people get a license to buy a gun, that that it taking away your liberty.

and the application of that franklin quote is faulty logic. wouldn't taking your liberty (right to own a gun) also take away your right to protect yourself (security)??? :?

There are already restrictions on buying guns.

There are already regulations. Everytime a shooting/tragedy happens, Politicians (lawyers) do what they do: start passing laws.

The fundamental flaw of liberals is that they believe Gov't can fix EVERY problem.

More laws, more regulations, more restrictions, more rules..... All while screaming about freedom.

It's bullshit.

unsung

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

but you never answered my question of "how does making getting a gun a little tougher equal sacrificing liberty for security?"

Why should I jump through hoops to defend myself? The Constitution gives me the RIGHT to defend myself. Nobody is asking to arm themselves with nukes, let's get real.

Do you need a license to type on this website and speak freely?

Parachute

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

until people as a whole are worthy of weilding the power of guns, then perhaps we should rethink our gun laws?

don't flame me.... it is a serious question...

if we don't ask serious questions, then there will be no contemplating the very root of the issues...

Your first sentence is why people like you are so dangerous. You don't understand your own rights, or history.
And you will consistently vote to undermine your own Constitution, and ultimately your own freedom- and probably don't even know you're doing it.

WHO THE FUCK GETS TO DECIDE WHEN "PEOPLE AS A WHOLE ARE READY" FOR ANYTHING?

The Constitution gives THE PEOPLE/ US the power, and to keep that power out of the hands of those you are suggesting we just hand it over to!!

Think man!!

gimmesometruth27

unsung wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

but you never answered my question of "how does making getting a gun a little tougher equal sacrificing liberty for security?"

Why should I jump through hoops to defend myself? The Constitution gives me the RIGHT to defend myself. Nobody is asking to arm themselves with nukes, let's get real.

Do you need a license to type on this website and speak freely?

exaggerate much? that is like me saying all guns and all gun owners are bad.

let's get real here for a second.
how many gun owners who have gotten their guns legally have killed people? how many "legal" guns have accidently killed a kid who got in dad's gun safe?

guns are used for offensive and defensive purposes. unfortunately more people use them for offensive purposes....

Electric_Delta

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

but you never answered my question of "how does making getting a gun a little tougher equal sacrificing liberty for security?"

It becomes an issue of progressively more and more government control. We have been granted the right by our Constitiution to defend ourselves. The Founders didn't say "you have the right to defend yourself IF..."

There is no fair way to filter potential buyers, outside of the criminal background checks currently used. None.

Electric_Delta

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

guns are used for offensive and defensive purposes. unfortunately more people use them for offensive purposes....

How could you possible defend or prove this statement? The number of peaceful, law-abiding gun owners is EASILY in the millions. I don't see millions of people going around shooting every day. Your claim is completely preprosterous and indefensible.