BIN LADEN IS DEAD

yes and stil no word from trump or palin or bachmann. and people like huckabee, pawlenty, and romney are downplaying obama's role in this....figures as much. obama only gave the order to kill bin laden. i never thought he had it in him. i am still surprised to see cheney and bush give obama credit in this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/0 ... 56186.html

threefish10 wrote:

For those saying this happened a week ago:


The detainees provided U.S. officials the courier's nickname, and identified him as protégé of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and a trusted assistant of Abu Faraj al Libbi, once Al Qaeda's third highest ranking official. (He was captured in 2005).

The president finally gave the order for the operation to pursue bin Laden on the morning of April 29 - just before he departed for Alabama to visit areas ravaged by last week's tornadoes that tore through the southern U.S., a senior administration official said.

Early Sunday morning in Pakistan, the strike began.

By 1 pm in Washington, top advisers had gathered at the White House. Around 2 pm, Obama huddled with them to review final preparations for the operation. He returned to Situation Room at 3:32 pm for another update, and by 3:50 he was given word that bin Laden was "tentatively identified" as among those killed in the operation. At 7 pm, Obama was told it was a "high probability" that it was, indeed, bin Laden.

The entire operation took just 40-minutes and involved a small U.S. team, a senior administration official said.


In addition to bin Laden, four others on the compound - an adult son of Bin Laden and two of bin Laden's couriers - were killed in the strike on the compound in an affluent suburb about 35 miles outside of Islamabad. A woman, who an administration official said was used as a human shield, was also killed in the operation.

Administration officials offered scant details about how Bin Laden conducted himself in his final moments, only saying that he was felled in a firefight.

No Americans were killed in the operation, which was kept secret from the Pakistani government until after it was completed. But an administration official said that a helicopter was lost in the operation.

I know--this is what my local newspaper said this morning, too. And I'm not 'saying' that it was a week ago, as if I KNOW something---it was just reported by many news outlets that it was a week ago, and now it has changed to Friday. It is not so hard for me to believe that it happened a week ago, or 2 days ago, or whatever. Either way, it is not at all farfetched that the gov would wait a minute to announce it.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

fife wrote:

Hey Gimme, i agree with everything you said except the "was he a threat to you?no" quote. mass murderous are a threat to everyone. I can understand why some people celebrate this person death. it might not be for you but if i was a family member of a person who dies in 911 i would be happy that the mastermind got what he deserved.

actually, khalid sheikh muhammad was the mastermind behind 9/11. obl financed it.

he was a mass murderer, but he was no threat to me or my way of life. my own federal government is a bigger threat to my way of life than osama ever was.

i never ever felt threatened by obl, so he was not a threat to me. sure i am angry at him for what he did, but i would have rather him had to face the families of the victims in a court of law.

i think if you talked to families of 911 they would say he was a threat to to them and also their way of life. I would have loved for OBL tried in court but lets be realistic, that was never going to happen.

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

maybe i am a little too refined for that.

All that refining didn't lead to much modesty huh?

how about if i had prefaced that with :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

:P

WaveCameCrashin wrote:

All partisan Bull shit aside. Good job Mr. President.

Obama deserves no credit. Bush deserves no credit. The US Navy SEALs deserve the credit.

Our foreign policy is what got us here, not because Muslims can't stand us playing video games and that we wear blue jeans.

Sure is a lot of cheering and rah rah going on in light of this news. Should'nt this be a time of somber reflection on the state of the world? Are we really out of the woods interms of unrest around the world because one man is dead? And are we not responsible for some of the killing and war going on around the world? Do we really suspend the right to a trial for anyone- and I mean anyone? The celebration going on will end as quickly as it began when people realize the world is still in a shit storm of trouble.

Jeanwah wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Maybe I'm not as refined. When I heard the news on the radio while driving to work, my first reaction wasn't to think, "man, another lost life, so sad ...", rather it was a Tiger Woods fist pump and a big smile on my face. Call it unrefined, but I still remember the pain of 9/11 and this man deserves no pity whatsoever.

Yet the time to have taken him out was 10 years ago. It took the great and powerful U.S. 10 YEARS to catch him? I'm not celebrating because it should have been dealt with long ago. Not now. He should have been captured like Saddam had been, but before him.

AND I'm still waiting for proof before I believed it even happened.

so you are upset that he wasn't caught earlier instead of being happy he was caught at all?

also what proof would you require?

For those requiring proof, I'm sure the evidence will come out at some point. I'm far from Obama's biggest fan, but I doubt they are faking this. Skepticism is a good quality to have, but I believe that faking this would be an incredible political mistake that no first-term President would ever risk. To me, that's like saying the Bush administration planned and carried out 9/11. Possible? Sure. Plausible? Not unless you believe everything Jesse Ventura tells you and ignore the same evidence he ignores.

What I found interesting about this is that government sources have already told the media that the initial tip that led to finding him came back in 2007 in Guantanamo. It took years of following that lead to the next, and that one to the next, and so on and so on, but I'd say it provides some sort of vindication for the people who thought that Guantanamo would yield results in this effort. Don't mistake this for me saying that Bush deserves the credit for this or that Obama doesn't deserve any credit. To me, it would be ridiculous to make either of those claims, but it's fair to say that each President played a role in the events leading to this day. How much credit you think either man deserves is up to you--I have no idea, but I think there was some groundwork laid from some unpopular decisions (depending on your views). Whatever the case may be, it was ultimately Obama who had to give the order to act upon the information and I have to say that he did it in a manner that I have no problems with whatsoever (and in a manner that I didn't really think he had the guts to do it--not telling other countries beforehand, including Pakistan). To share that information with anyone else could have caused potential leaks before the strike and we could have ended up with another case of just missing him (ie, the too-late missile strike after the USS Cole attack).

EdsonNascimento wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

yes and stil no word from trump or palin or bachmann. and people like huckabee, pawlenty, and romney are downplaying obama's role in this....figures as much. obama only gave the order to kill bin laden. i never thought he had it in him. htti am still surprised to see cheney and bush give obama credit in this.

You're only surprised because of your characterization of the men. Bush has been nothing but honorable toward Obama since he left office. This is more a reflection of you than of him.

And who cares who gives credit to who? Can't we be above that political crap for 1 day?

my opinion of these men is based on their own words and their own actions. i am sure that i am not alone in my thoughts on them. bush has been gracious only because it is bad form for former presidents to criticize the current one. it is an unwritten rule. look at cheney, he has been nothing but a prick to obama since he left office, so it is shocking that cheney showed obama any respect in this at all. and yes, obama deserves credit in this because he gave the order. clinton didn't, bush diverted attention to iraq, obama accomplished the mission set by gwb.

and no, this IS a political event and it deserves to he thought of and spoken of and analyzed as such.