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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I see what you're saying, but pregnancy is NOT a given just because a couple may be bumping uglies 24/7 when the woman is ovulating. You say they already have kids, so she's probably fertile, but how old is she? Perhaps they don't "score" every time they try to conceive. See, what I'm saying here? Having a baby because you want one doesn't always just happen (all the time). Think of all the couples out there that can't have kids at all! And perhaps your friend should be praying not for twins but for a healthy baby. Imagine that, if she did have one baby and there was something wrong... that is a reason to pray. Because shit happens, and people usually pray for things just to go right. Because we really aren't in control of everything.

    There is no reason to pray. It's illogical and it's just plain nuts. She can be hopeful that she has a healthy baby, but praying to a figment of her imagination won't do her a bit of good. A lot of it is up to her to make sure that her baby is born healthy (like staying away from most medications, not drinking or smoking, avoid strenuous activities and stress, etc) and the rest is just plain luck.

    I should mention that it's all in the genes, too!
    To answer your question, she just turned 30.
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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I see what you're saying, but pregnancy is NOT a given just because a couple may be bumping uglies 24/7 when the woman is ovulating. You say they already have kids, so she's probably fertile, but how old is she? Perhaps they don't "score" every time they try to conceive. See, what I'm saying here? Having a baby because you want one doesn't always just happen (all the time). Think of all the couples out there that can't have kids at all! And perhaps your friend should be praying not for twins but for a healthy baby. Imagine that, if she did have one baby and there was something wrong... that is a reason to pray. Because shit happens, and people usually pray for things just to go right. Because we really aren't in control of everything.

    There is no reason to pray. It's illogical and it's just plain nuts. She can be hopeful that she has a healthy baby, but praying to a figment of her imagination won't do her a bit of good. A lot of it is up to her to make sure that her baby is born healthy (like staying away from most medications, not drinking or smoking, avoid strenuous activities and stress, etc) and the rest is just plain luck.

    No it's illogical for you to say that it's nuts to pray to something that you have no proof does not exist. At the very least, do not judge others, that would be fair.

    Then again, you seem to believe in luck (as you mention), which is also beyond a persons control. Contradictory to your reason for not praying, as you say.
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    redrock wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:

    I was answering the other post, not yours when I mentioned life's questions, and I don't think that it was the purpose, either (as I said). And, no, I am no expert on French philosophy; I just took the language in high school and college, and I have a very dear friend from Nantes who is an atheist and is existentialist to the max. :lol:

    Confusion again....

    Philosophy (whichever 'movement'/theory) questions, contrary to religion which dictates. (For those who say religion is not the same as god, I know - though you have to admit they are 'linked'!).

    Yes, you are confused, I guess, because I was not at all comparing religion to philosophy. And I realize that religion dictates, this is why, as I have said, I very much dislike organized religion. You had referred previously to Pascal and the fact that french philosophy is not taught (conventionally) in all areas of the world, therefore, I made the comment that I am, indeed, no expert on French philosophy; I, in no way, compared it to religion or even implied that (I didn't think, anyway). I think you may have gotten confused because I was actually responding to Jonny Pistachios' post (I think it was him), at the same time, I was communicating with you. :)
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    MrAbraham wrote:
    No it's illogical for you to say that it's nuts to pray to something that you have no proof does not exist. At the very least, do not judge others, that would be fair.

    Then again, you seem to believe in luck (as you mention), which is also beyond a persons control. Contradictory to your reason for not praying, as you say.

    Really? It's illogical for me to say that it's nuts to pray to an imaginary being in the sky? I don't think I really need to prove that it doesn't exist. I think one just needs to pull their head out of their arse, join the 21st century, lose all that religious BS and try to keep up with science. And I will judge people if they do something is is completely bat-shit crazy. What if I told you I spend my Sundays summoning the spirits of dead movie stars? Or that I'm learning the ways of the force? Are you saying you wouldn't judge me?

    And luck is different. I do believe in good fortune. It doesn't mean there's an imaginary being responsible for it and I can't pray for it to happen. It's not contradictory at all.
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I see what you're saying, but pregnancy is NOT a given just because a couple may be bumping uglies 24/7 when the woman is ovulating. You say they already have kids, so she's probably fertile, but how old is she? Perhaps they don't "score" every time they try to conceive. See, what I'm saying here? Having a baby because you want one doesn't always just happen (all the time). Think of all the couples out there that can't have kids at all! And perhaps your friend should be praying not for twins but for a healthy baby. Imagine that, if she did have one baby and there was something wrong... that is a reason to pray. Because shit happens, and people usually pray for things just to go right. Because we really aren't in control of everything.

    There is no reason to pray. It's illogical and it's just plain nuts. She can be hopeful that she has a healthy baby, but praying to a figment of her imagination won't do her a bit of good. A lot of it is up to her to make sure that her baby is born healthy (like staying away from most medications, not drinking or smoking, avoid strenuous activities and stress, etc) and the rest is just plain luck.

    I should mention that it's all in the genes, too!
    To answer your question, she just turned 30.
    You've been living a pretty good life, I bet. No health issues, right? I'm sure you take responsibility for everything that didn't turn out like you wanted (or you're Charlie Sheen and you're just winning all the time), since you're saying that we're responsible for everything that happens to us. And I can tell you don't know much of anything about babies or birth. Just make sure nothing happens to you in the future, so you don't have to eat your words.
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    edited March 2011
    Jeanwah wrote:
    You've been living a pretty good life, I bet. No health issues, right? I'm sure you take responsibility for everything that didn't turn out like you wanted (or you're Charlie Sheen and you're just winning all the time), since you're saying that we're responsible for everything that happens to us. And I can tell you don't know much of anything about babies or birth. Just make sure nothing happens to you in the future, so you don't have to eat your words.

    Oh you can tell I don't know anything about babies or birth, can you? Please. You're the one who said you can pray to god to have a healthy baby. Get real, will ya. And I don't know what you're talking about. Like I said, we're responsible for our health to a certain extent and the rest is good genes and good fortune. I don't know what the Charlie Sheen winning comment is supposed to mean because I pay as little attention to that nonsense as I can. You probably follow him on twitter. Diabetes and high blood pressure runs in my family, so I can't do anything about that except to take care of myself as best I can. Or should I pray to the lord to spare me the pain?
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    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
    MrAbraham wrote:
    No it's illogical for you to say that it's nuts to pray to something that you have no proof does not exist. At the very least, do not judge others, that would be fair.

    Then again, you seem to believe in luck (as you mention), which is also beyond a persons control. Contradictory to your reason for not praying, as you say.

    Really? It's illogical for me to say that it's nuts to pray to an imaginary being in the sky? I don't think I really need to prove that it doesn't exist. I think one just needs to pull their head out of their arse, join the 21st century, lose all that religious BS and try to keep up with science. And I will judge people if they do something is is completely bat-shit crazy. What if I told you I spend my Sundays summoning the spirits of dead movie stars? Or that I'm learning the ways of the force? Are you saying you wouldn't judge me?

    And luck is different. I do believe in good fortune. It doesn't mean there's an imaginary being responsible for it and I can't pray for it to happen. It's not contradictory at all.


    I certainly don't believe in any religion or God. But I think what Mr.A was trying to get at is...You saying that someone is nuts for believing in a higher power is nearly as bad as someone saying you are nuts for not believing.

    I strongly agree that praying to win a football game or have a child is irrational behaviour. But for the same reasons that i don't believe in religion, I don't say that I know for sure there is no higher power or "God". I am truly fascinated with the wonders of this world. And to think that their is no purpose or possible afterlife would be disappointing. But like you, I really don't know.

    In closing, organized religion is a sham.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited March 2011
    catefrances wrote:
    what i find interesting about pascals wager is it assumes,imo, that i want to end up in heaven.

    Some of his peers did have a problem that he started implying certain things were 'givens' - like god's existence... But then, does a mathematical formula not need certain assumptions?

    And no Mr. Abraham. Understanding in context does not mean I know 'the truth'. I understand what this equation is, but I don't know the 'truth' behind it - what his real intentions were when he published this, why he did it, was it a joke, was it serious, etc. 'Truth' is not just face value. If you were facing me now, you would see someone drinking coffee from a white mug. Truth - what you see, what you smell (the coffee). Other truth, from my point of view, the mug is not white, but it has an image on the bit facing me (which was hidden from your view). Whilst I do have coffee in my mug, you can't see whether I have milk or sugar or anything else in it. An illusion of truth?

    So.... your truth and my truth. Both correct from where we stand, both can be 'proven'.

    Example which can be carried over for anything, really. Religion and all. Except for the 'proven' bit.
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  • JP33
    JP33 Posts: 1,348
    I believe that there is a GOD and the Bible is really the word of GOD
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    JP33 wrote:
    I believe that there is a GOD and the Bible is really the word of GOD


    Which God? Which bible?
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    brandon10 wrote:
    I certainly don't believe in any religion or God. But I think what Mr.A was trying to get at is...You saying that someone is nuts for believing in a higher power is nearly as bad as someone saying you are nuts for not believing.I strongly agree that praying to win a football game or have a child is irrational behaviour. But for the same reasons that i don't believe in religion, I
    don't say that I know for sure there is no higher power or "God". I am truly fascinated with the wonders of this world. And to think that their is no purpose or thepossible afterlife would be disappointing. But like you, I really don't know.In closing, organized religion is a sham.

    I know what Mr. A was trying to say but in the end he's the one with questionable sanity, not me.

    Why do you think your life doesn't have a purpose if there's no higher power or afterlife? That shouldn't stop you from having a meaningful life. If anything we should appreciate it even more and try to live life to the fullest because it's all going to end one day. Why would you want it to go on forever? That seems kind of boring, not to mention egotistical to think that we're just so precious and special that we get to live forever and not die like every other living thing. I take comfort in knowing that I will be free of this world for good and it'll all be over one day. And it doesn't scare me. How I die on the other hand scares the hell out of me, lol

    And btw, I do know - and deep down so do you.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
    brandon10 wrote:
    I certainly don't believe in any religion or God. But I think what Mr.A was trying to get at is...You saying that someone is nuts for believing in a higher power is nearly as bad as someone saying you are nuts for not believing.I strongly agree that praying to win a football game or have a child is irrational behaviour. But for the same reasons that i don't believe in religion, I
    don't say that I know for sure there is no higher power or "God". I am truly fascinated with the wonders of this world. And to think that their is no purpose or thepossible afterlife would be disappointing. But like you, I really don't know.In closing, organized religion is a sham.

    I know what Mr. A was trying to say but in the end he's the one with questionable sanity, not me.

    Why do you think your life doesn't have a purpose if there's no higher power or afterlife? That shouldn't stop you from having a meaningful life. If anything we should appreciate it even more and try to live life to the fullest because it's all going to end one day. Why would you want it to go on forever? That seems kind of boring, not to mention egotistical to think that we're just so precious and special that we get to live forever and not die like every other living thing. I take comfort in knowing that I will be free of this world for good and it'll all be over one day. And it doesn't scare me. How I die on the other hand scares the hell out of me, lol

    And btw, I do know - and deep down so do you.

    Actually I do live life to the fullest. I didn't say that MY life has or needs a purpose. I was referring to the purpose of ALL life. A purpose of the earth. Or even a purpose of the universe. This world is so vast, it's incredible. And I never said I wanted it to go on forever. I said that I don't know. And it wasn't being egotistical because I don't know what happens to other animals or life forms either.

    My best guess is that it's all over after we die. But I don't know for sure. The only thing that I know for sure is that you don't know either. ;)
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    brandon10 wrote:
    ...The only thing that I know for sure is that you don't know either. ;)

    You never know, he/she may have had an 'experience' and lives to tell the tale (whether it's bliss or oblivion)! ;)
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    edited March 2011
    brandon10 wrote:
    Actually I do live life to the fullest. I didn't say that MY life has or needs a purpose. I was referring to the purpose of ALL life. A purpose of the earth. Or even a purpose of the universe. This world is so vast, it's incredible. And I never said I wanted it to go on forever. I said that I don't know. And it wasn't being egotistical because I don't know what happens to other animals or life forms either.

    My best guess is that it's all over after we die. But I don't know for sure. The only thing that I know for sure is that you don't know either. ;)

    Well since you're a living being too I took it to mean your life was included in ALL life. I don't know what purpose you want for the earth or for the universe?? But if you ask the religious people they'll say that god built the earth for us (even though dinosaurs were here before us) and we're all alone in the universe (highly likely that we're not). Yes, earth is vast and incredible. You never said you WANTED it to go on forever, what you said was "And to think that there is no purpose or possible afterlife would be disappointing". That's why I said "why would you even want an afterlife". But you sound confused. First you said that you "certainly" don't believe in god and then you say you don't know for sure, so I don't know what to tell you.....

    But hey, if there is an afterlife you can tell me how wrong I was and we'll have a good laugh about it and then talk some Pearl Jam! (See how stupid that sounds??) lol
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    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    redrock wrote:
    You never know, he/she may have had an 'experience' and lives to tell the tale (whether it's bliss or oblivion)! ;)

    Well since my username is The Waiting Trophy MAN you can probably figure out that I'm a guy. And I'm just the voice of reason. That's all. No magic tricks or "experiences" here. Just simple rationality without an invisible man from the sky in my corner. It's really not that hard to share my point of view. You just need half a brain and some common sense. Maybe you should pray for some.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    _ wrote:
    I never lose anything. Not for very long, anyway. Any time I lose something & I absolutely can't find it, I pray - and I find it immediately. I don't know if it's a result of divine intervention, the energy I put out into the universe, seriously focusing my subconscious to remember where I put it, or what. But it
    works for me. And that's all I need to know.

    This. This is what I'm talking about, lol
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    blondieblue227 wrote:
    The Waiting Trophy Man - i so agree with you! shifting accountably from you to religion is the number one thing i can't stand about it.

    Religion is for the weak minded. And the fools.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    You never know, he/she may have had an 'experience' and lives to tell the tale (whether it's bliss or oblivion)! ;)

    Well since my username is The Waiting Trophy MAN you can probably figure out that I'm a guy. And I'm just the voice of reason. That's all. No magic tricks or "experiences" here. Just simple rationality without an invisible man from the sky in my corner. It's really not that hard to share my point of view. You just need half a brain and some common sense. Maybe you should pray for some.

    Whoa!!!! You misread my tongue in cheek remark which was directed at brandon, all referring to those that claim to have 'seen' what happens 'after' through various mystical experiences.

    Also, if you read my posts you would see I look at rational as well.
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    redrock wrote:
    Whoa!!!! You misread my tongue in cheek remark which was directed at brandon, all referring to those that claim to have 'seen' what happens 'after' through various mystical experiences.

    Also, if you read my posts you would see I
    look at rational as well.

    Sorry red. I did misread what you wrote. It's 2 in the morning and I'm tired. But now that I understand - good one!

    I think I have read your posts, I just didn't realize who you were.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • iluvcats
    iluvcats Posts: 5,153
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    You've been living a pretty good life, I bet. No health issues, right? I'm sure you take responsibility for everything that didn't turn out like you wanted (or you're Charlie Sheen and you're just winning all the time), since you're saying that we're responsible for everything that happens to us. And I can tell you don't know much of anything about babies or birth. Just make sure nothing happens to you in the future, so you don't have to eat your words.

    Oh you can tell I don't know anything about babies or birth, can you? Please. You're the one who said you can pray to god to have a healthy baby. Get real, will ya. And I don't know what you're talking about. Like I said, we're responsible for our health to a certain extent and the rest is good genes and good fortune. I don't know what the Charlie Sheen winning comment is supposed to mean because I pay as little attention to that nonsense as I can. You probably follow him on twitter. Diabetes and high blood pressure runs in my family, so I can't do anything about that except to take care of myself as best I can. Or should I pray to the lord to spare me the pain?

    I'll pray for your good health :)
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