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  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    I beleive in God, but i pray to Carl Sagan.
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,822
    mickeyrat wrote:
    just like my politics , my religious belief are my own. not intended for public consumption.

    You big tease, you!
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    Everyone is entitled to there own religious beliefs as long as it matches mine. If not, you are nuts. :wave:
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    _ wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    I look at good vs evil from a philosophical point of view and not a religious one. Rewards & punishment for good or evil are in this world - it's what we make of it.

    I look at evil not as the opposite of good, which necessarily exists for good to exist, but more as a lack of good or a lack of love. And I see people as good and their actions, not the people themselves, as evil.

    this is a very interesting point of view. do you care to elaborate? what makes a person good if their actions are not good or evil? i personally believe that good and evil are purely subjective.

    also i have noticed alot of people mixing god with religion which is not the same thing.
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    edited March 2011
    pandora wrote:
    As I said if for one minute you knew without a doubt divine supernatural intervention
    I have experienced would you be so quick to hurt me?

    And even if you don't believe what business would it be of yours?
    I am happy and at peace in my knowledge and do not care what non believers think.
    And if there is someone out there that can relate and get something
    from my experience that is wonderful and might make their world better.

    I am involved in a discussion.
    you entered discussion.
    I responded to your contribution to said discussion.
    your contribution to said discussion is apparently none of my business.

    alrighty. :?
    Post edited by Hugh Freaking Dillon on
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    fife wrote:
    i personally believe that good and evil are purely subjective..

    That is true. Though we do have some 'official' benchmarks as to what is 'bad' (maybe not always evil) in our laws and we are punished should we cross the line. I guess certain actions such as rape or murder could be considered evil by most. But then again, our every day actions are most probably seen very differently from 'the outside in'. What some people may think is 'good' others may think it's just normal. Same with 'evil'.
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I'd like to know how people define 'miracle', particularly the ones who believe they've witnessed one. I tend to believe the term is subjective.

    I shouldn't have survived a car accident on a highway where traffic stopped but the driver in my car fell asleep and we drove under a stopped tractor trailer at 50 mph. I don't consider it a miracle. And I almost died in the OR. Again, I don't consider it a miracle, I consider myself very lucky. But, I do believe that a higher power was involved. Can't explain why, but some things just don't make sense to everybody.
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I'd like to know how people define 'miracle', particularly the ones who believe they've witnessed one. I tend to believe the term is subjective.

    I shouldn't have survived a car accident on a highway where traffic stopped but the driver in my car fell asleep and we drove under a stopped tractor trailer at 50 mph. I don't consider it a miracle. And I almost died in the OR. Again, I don't consider it a miracle, I consider myself very lucky. But, I do believe that a higher power was involved. Can't explain why, but some things just don't make sense to everybody.


    O.K., i got one, when i was 8 my buddy brang in a pet turtle to show and tell at school, i loved the little guy, i wanted one of my own. My parents said i was too young for a pet and we couldn't afford it and we couldn't money was very tight back then. I prayed every morning and night for one, a year and half went by and one day out in the middle of the woods i found one, a big one like nothing i've ever scene, i picked it up and ran home!!! My parents were still against it,(diseases, feeding him) but i conviced them i would catch enough slugs and bugs to keep him feed and it turned out to be a Wood Turtle, which turn out to make great pets.
    Prayer Answered!!! Thank You God!!!

    wood_turtle_3.jpg

    i named him Woody, i was 8.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited March 2011
    BinauralJam wrote:
    .... in a pet turtle ..

    Not a turtle analogy again!!! :mrgreen: (Those who have posted in 'another' thread may get this reference - sorry if it's obscure for others... :? )
  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    edited March 2011
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UmotTE-VlY :?
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    BinauralJam wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I'd like to know how people define 'miracle', particularly the ones who believe they've witnessed one. I tend to believe the term is subjective.

    I shouldn't have survived a car accident on a highway where traffic stopped but the driver in my car fell asleep and we drove under a stopped tractor trailer at 50 mph. I don't consider it a miracle. And I almost died in the OR. Again, I don't consider it a miracle, I consider myself very lucky. But, I do believe that a higher power was involved. Can't explain why, but some things just don't make sense to everybody.


    O.K., i got one, when i was 8 my buddy brang in a pet turtle to show and tell at school, i loved the little guy, i wanted one of my own. My parents said i was too young for a pet and we couldn't afford it and we couldn't money was very tight back then. I prayed every morning and night for one, a year and half went by and one day out in the middle of the woods i found one, a big one like nothing i've ever scene, i picked it up and ran home!!! My parents were still against it,(diseases, feeding him) but i conviced them i would catch enough slugs and bugs to keep him feed and it turned out to be a Wood Turtle, which turn out to make great pets.
    Prayer Answered!!! Thank You God!!!

    i named him Woody, i was 8.

    You consider this a miracle?!
  • justam
    justam Posts: 21,415
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I'd like to know how people define 'miracle', particularly the ones who believe they've witnessed one. I tend to believe the term is subjective.

    I shouldn't have survived a car accident on a highway where traffic stopped but the driver in my car fell asleep and we drove under a stopped tractor trailer at 50 mph. I don't consider it a miracle. And I almost died in the OR. Again, I don't consider it a miracle, I consider myself very lucky. But, I do believe that a higher power was involved. Can't explain why, but some things just don't make sense to everybody.

    Jeanwah, the older I get, the more I think having a lot of "luck" is a blessing though. :)
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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    fife wrote:
    _ wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    I look at good vs evil from a philosophical point of view and not a religious one. Rewards & punishment for good or evil are in this world - it's what we make of it.

    I look at evil not as the opposite of good, which necessarily exists for good to exist, but more as a lack of good or a lack of love. And I see people as good and their actions, not the people themselves, as evil.

    this is a very interesting point of view. do you care to elaborate? what makes a person good if their actions are not good or evil? i personally believe that good and evil are purely subjective.

    No, I mean that their actions can be good or bad, but that they, themselves, are good. I think people's souls (or whatever you want to call them) are just as good on the day they die as on the day they are born (and I don't believe babies are born evil). They may do bad things, but that doesn't make them bad people. (Though my ex-boyfriend almost changed my mind on that. :lol: ) Sorry, I'm not very good at explaining it right now.
    fife wrote:
    also i have noticed alot of people mixing god with religion which is not the same thing.

    I agree.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I'd like to know how people define 'miracle', particularly the ones who believe they've witnessed one. I tend to believe the term is subjective.

    I shouldn't have survived a car accident on a highway where traffic stopped but the driver in my car fell asleep and we drove under a stopped tractor trailer at 50 mph. I don't consider it a miracle. And I almost died in the OR. Again, I don't consider it a miracle, I consider myself very lucky. But, I do believe that a higher power was involved. Can't explain why, but some things just don't make sense to everybody.
    :wave: Hope you are doing well

    just to be sure I got the definition :lol:

    Subjective
    a ...relating to or determined by the mind as the subject of experience <subjective reality>
    b ... characteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind
    c ... relating to or being experience or knowledge as conditioned by personal mental characteristics or states

    In my case my miracle was.... I would say... subjective based in reality as reality was the event.
    Living proof existed of the miracle in our reality.
    Very much like near death experiences that I have read about... fascinating
    the documentation, the reality of events, the proof if one chooses to believe the proof.

    As I said before choice is ours whether to believe or not.

    Because someone doesn't believe would not change the truth I know to be.

    As I would not presume someone should believe my truth.

    Perhaps Jean you found your truth in your experience and no one needs to understand but you.

    I feel this for me. It is the basis of who I am, how I live my life, my appreciation of the time
    I have here and the peace I have found. It is wholly me! No pun intended :lol:

    Everyone on their path will find their own beliefs through their life events,
    they will find their truth
    and that is pretty much undebatable.

    The most important thing is Love, learn to love and accept everyone,
    most especially those of different beliefs

    I know through your accident you have come to that place
    and you have been an inspiration for me and so many others here.
    Your strength amazing, your spirit strong, your positivity contagious!
    Thank you for that! :D
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Paul David wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    As I said if for one minute you knew without a doubt divine supernatural intervention
    I have experienced would you be so quick to hurt me?

    And even if you don't believe what business would it be of yours?
    I am happy and at peace in my knowledge and do not care what non believers think.
    And if there is someone out there that can relate and get something
    from my experience that is wonderful and might make their world better.

    I am involved in a discussion.
    you entered discussion.
    I responded to your contribution to said discussion.
    your contribution to said discussion is apparently none of my business.

    alrighty. :?
    Well if responding means calling me names, misinterpreting what I say over and over to fit your purpose,
    and putting me down for my beliefs even though I was not trying to push them on you or any other non believer...

    it might be nice to just be ignored
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    pandora wrote:
    Paul David wrote:
    I am involved in a discussion.
    you entered discussion.
    I responded to your contribution to said discussion.
    your contribution to said discussion is apparently none of my business.

    alrighty. :?
    Well if responding means calling me names, misinterpreting what I say over and over to fit your purpose,
    and putting me down for my beliefs even though I was not trying to push them on you or any other non believer...

    it might be nice to just be ignored

    I didn't call you names.
    Misinterpretration is just as much the responsibility of those telling the story, as the ones listening. Just a thought.
    I never put you down for your beliefs, or for anything else, for that matter.
    I am here for honest, mature discussion.
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  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Jeanwah wrote:
    BinauralJam wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I'd like to know how people define 'miracle', particularly the ones who believe they've witnessed one. I tend to believe the term is subjective.

    I shouldn't have survived a car accident on a highway where traffic stopped but the driver in my car fell asleep and we drove under a stopped tractor trailer at 50 mph. I don't consider it a miracle. And I almost died in the OR. Again, I don't consider it a miracle, I consider myself very lucky. But, I do believe that a higher power was involved. Can't explain why, but some things just don't make sense to everybody.


    O.K., i got one, when i was 8 my buddy brang in a pet turtle to show and tell at school, i loved the little guy, i wanted one of my own. My parents said i was too young for a pet and we couldn't afford it and we couldn't money was very tight back then. I prayed every morning and night for one, a year and half went by and one day out in the middle of the woods i found one, a big one like nothing i've ever scene, i picked it up and ran home!!! My parents were still against it,(diseases, feeding him) but i conviced them i would catch enough slugs and bugs to keep him feed and it turned out to be a Wood Turtle, which turn out to make great pets.
    Prayer Answered!!! Thank You God!!!

    i named him Woody, i was 8.

    You consider this a miracle?!

    Yes, God listened to me. :D
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    redrock wrote:
    BinauralJam wrote:
    .... in a pet turtle ..

    Not a turtle analogy again!!! :mrgreen: (Those who have posted in 'another' thread may get this reference - sorry if it's obscure for others... :? )


    i remember that :lol: sorry didn't mean to go there, it was the first thought that jumped into my mind. :lol:
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    hmm the afterlife.. could it be a delusion happening in an extrememly traumatic situation for our brain and mind? could it be under the extreme stress of trauma our minds do go someplace else trying to return to the here and now? call that an afterlife if you like. i shant.



    imo truth is subjective and the truth that you seek is not the truth i seek... nor is it a truth i need.
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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    catefrances wrote:
    hmm the afterlife.. could it be a delusion happening in an extrememly traumatic situation for our brain and mind? could it be under the extreme stress of trauma our minds do go someplace else trying to return to the here and now? call that an afterlife if you like. i shant.



    imo truth is subjective and the truth that you seek is not the truth i seek... nor is it a truth i need.

    In science we often see chemical imbalances resulting in a state where the patient/person has the illusion of an after life or a feeling of whatever else. Or is it really just an illusion? :lol:

    But truth is not really subjective, it's important to not confuse ultimate truth with point of view or some sort of opinion, fair? If something happens, say five people see it, and all five have a different view of it, which one is correct about what happened? Of course it would depend on many factors, but it would still be one truth.

    Curious, don't you seek truth? In anything, in everything? As everything has a truth. Now I know you care about the truth, as you no doubt don't want anyone to lie to you. right? Of course We may not want to hear the truth.

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