Religious Beliefs
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i like this quote as well. jesus is always praised when good things happen, like scoring a touchdown, winning a fight, even winning an oscar or a grammy. what i really want to see is some athlete on the losing end say something like, "i would have caught that pass if jesus didn't get the sun in my eyes", or i would have scored that touchdown but jesus tripped me on the 3 yard line"....Paul David wrote:
THIS.
success=jesus intervention, failure= silence... it just doesn't make sense to me, because if jesus helped you win, then he helped the other team lose, am i right?
i am not demeaning anyone's beliefs, more like just pointing out the absurdity that god helps you win but does not contribute to your losing..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
i like this, because more than likely they would have gotten bibles in addition to food, water, medical supplies and blankets. that money spent on bibles would be better spent on actual aid like the things i listed above. i like how this twitter person explicitly stated what they needed and specifically what they did not need.arq wrote:Oh I found this other little gem:
sending bibles to victims of this disaster is very similar to something i saw on a episode of family guy. peter griffin goes up to this homeless guy who is holding out a cup begging for money. peter acts like he puts something in there and the homeless guy says something like "whoa, you didn't out anything in the cup". and peter says "hope. i put hope in there"..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
whygohome wrote:I am glad that you were able to turn your life around and that you are now happy. However, don't you think that there have been millions of people who have asked for a miracle and have not had the same outcome as you? I find the whole idea of "I asked God for something, and he gave it to me" an illusion. It doesn't happen. Why would "God" help one person-one person out of 6.5 billion--and not help the world as a whole. Seems egotistical and narrow-minded.
WE area all glad that pandora was able to turn her life around, we need her around here
I'm completely with you whygohome, a man made god who supposedly is full of love and forgiveness but still only hear the prayer of one forgetting the prayers of million in worst conditions is kind of a douche bad god...
Pandora's is committing a logical fallacy called anecdotal evidence:Evidence, which may itself be true and verifiable, used to deduce a conclusion which does not follow from it, usually by generalizing from an insufficient amount of evidence."The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
Neil deGrasse Tyson
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:i like this quote as well. jesus is always praised when good things happen, like scoring a touchdown, winning a fight, even winning an oscar or a grammy. what i really want to see is some athlete on the losing end say something like, "i would have caught that pass if jesus didn't get the sun in my eyes", or i would have scored that touchdown but jesus tripped me on the 3 yard line"....
success=jesus intervention, failure= silence... it just doesn't make sense to me, because if jesus helped you win, then he helped the other team lose, am i right?
i am not demeaning anyone's beliefs, more like just pointing out the absurdity that god helps you win but does not contribute to your losing...
All I know is Jesus really fucking hates the Cubs.
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Its hard to explain miracles that is why they are called miracles and who is to say they have not had miracles..I guess you cause you don't believe...whygohome wrote:
I am glad that you were able to turn your life around and that you are now happy. However, don't you think that there have been millions of people who have asked for a miracle and have not had the same outcome as you? I find the whole idea of "I asked God for something, and he gave it to me" an illusion. It doesn't happen. Why would "God" help one person-one person out of 6.5 billion--and not help the world as a whole. Seems egotistical and narrow-minded.
If you open your heart to the fact I truly had one you would not be quick to be so cruel.
You seem incredibly pessimistic and judgmental and could use a miracle in your life. Then we could see how hurt you would feel being called egotistical and narrow-minded when filled with joy and hope for others.0 -
TRUE YES. But on a higher not he luvs the Phils.
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my personal belief is that "miracles" happen to those that need it, look for it, and find it themselves. the only miracle I know is nature. and my girls. but everyone's children are their miracles, so then it's just normal life in the grand sense.
I think one person's miracle is another person's happenstance.
it bothers me, Pandora, that you (and many other theists) seem to think that people who don't believe in miracles need to open their heart to something. My heart is open as big as it can get, probably bigger than many who believe in miracles.
Just because I don't believe what you do, doesn't make me any less of a person. that's what he means by narrow minded and egotistical. believing one is chosen for some greater understanding where others are left behind is not a nice thing to think of oneself, in my opinion.Gimli 1993
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pandora wrote:You seem incredibly pessimistic and judgmental and could use a miracle in your life.
this is what I call judgmental.Gimli 1993
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Thank you I guessarq wrote:
WE area all glad that pandora was able to turn her life around, we need her around here
I'm completely with you whygohome, a man made god who supposedly is full of love and forgiveness but still only hear the prayer of one forgetting the prayers of million in worst conditions is kind of a douche bad god...
Pandora's is committing a logical fallacy called anecdotal evidence:
No it was a miracle...can not be explained any other way.
I didn't conclude anything that anyone else would not have concluded.
It actually was the logical conclusion.
People think that God is responsible for everything that happens, thats not my belief, we are.
I asked for proof...not to change my life.... I asked him nothing for myself.
Just shown me you are there.
A couple times I have prayed for myself but when I did my answer was that it is up to me to make my prayers come true.
It is up to us to help the millions living in terrible conditions, not God.
That is the gift God gave us.... the opportunity to help others. It is why we are here.
To learn compassion and unconditional love.
And believing in God is irrelevant for that we just must believe in each other.0 -
my favorite,
religion is like a penis, its fine to have one but don't wave it in my kids faces 0 -
goes with out saying Paul David gave it back at him because he hurt me with his words...is that what you would like to do too?Paul David wrote:
this is what I call judgmental. Looks as if you'd like too. 0 -
That is not what I was saying and obviously not directing it towards you.Paul David wrote:my personal belief is that "miracles" happen to those that need it, look for it, and find it themselves. the only miracle I know is nature. and my girls. but everyone's children are their miracles, so then it's just normal life in the grand sense.
I think one person's miracle is another person's happenstance.
it bothers me, Pandora, that you (and many other theists) seem to think that people who don't believe in miracles need to open their heart to something. My heart is open as big as it can get, probably bigger than many who believe in miracles.
Just because I don't believe what you do, doesn't make me any less of a person. that's what he means by narrow minded and egotistical. believing one is chosen for some greater understanding where others are left behind is not a nice thing to think of oneself, in my opinion.
I said if you are in need of God he is there. I said open your heart to the fact it happened to me
instead of poo pooing and making me less of a person for believing I had one.
What I said was if you want to believe don't be to proud to ask...just ask for a miracle.
If you are in need of God just ask for him... he is there.
This not for you if the shoe doesn't fit or for others here.
But of course there is the need to put me down.
Not sure what a theists is but I'm pretty sure I'm not one yet you have lumped me with them...
generalizing. Something so many here need to do.
Just a regular person who had a miracle that changed my life and those I love for the better.0 -
pandora wrote:That is not what I was saying and obviously not directing it towards you.
I said if you are in need of God he is there. I said open your heart to the fact it happened to me
instead of poo pooing and making me less of a person for believing I had one.
What I said was if you want to believe don't be to proud to ask...just ask for a miracle.
If you are in need of God just ask for him... he is there.
This not for you if the shoe doesn't fit or for others here.
But of course there is the need to put me down.
Not sure what a theists is but I'm pretty sure I'm not one yet you have lumped me with them...
generalizing. Something so many here need to do.
Just a regular person who had a miracle that changed my life and those I love for the better.
maybe it wasn't directed towards me, but since it wasn't a pm I was reading, I thought it was fine that I comment.
a theist is someone who believes in a higher power. So you are a theist. it's not an insult. that's just what it means. that is no more a generalization than saying you are a ten club member.Gimli 1993
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nope. just call 'em as I see 'em.pandora wrote:goes with out saying Paul David gave it back at him because he hurt me with his words...is that what you would like to do too? Looks as if you'd like too.Gimli 1993
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pandora wrote:I consider myself a spiritual person, that has been my evolution.
I was raised without religion,
did some learning and pursuing of it in young adult hood.
Became an athesist.
Nearly took my own life at the age of 37 ...I was so very tired of life and most everyone in it
but mostly I was tired of me.
A revelation brought to me life as seen through my children's eyes.
In that moment I decided I had to stay for my them and asked for a miracle...
to be shown by God that he was there for me...for all of us.
I had a profound experience 3 years later in 1996, it was life changing.
A miracle that proved to me without a doubt there is an afterlife and a God.
The peace that has grown from my miracle has changed what my life is
and was and would have been.
It changed the children I raised and the life partner I am for JB.
If you want to believe don't be to proud to ask...just ask for a miracle.
If you are in need of God just ask for him... he is there.
I also experienced a miracle in 1996. It was called No Code0 -
I experienced a miracle in 1996 also: Downing Stadium, Randall's Island (NY)
September 28, 1996....FRONT ROW!!!0 -
I'm a total phony... because I pretend to be religious when necessary. When I was a kid, the Christianity I was taught to believe in never made sense to me. Bible class at church used to make me feel dumb because everyone else seemed to 'get it' but I couldn't comprehend it. But I learned how to fake it. I was raised Protestant in a town full of Catholics... very confusing. I couldn't understand why my mother and her family didn't believe in the Pope when my dad and his family did... although Protestantism was less daunting. Catholic churches freaked me out. Everything about Catholicism that was different from Protestantism... the haunting stained glass windows, the images of Jesus on a cross, the exorcisms, the weird rituals, the chants, the way priests dressed, having to go to confession, ... on the rare occasion I went to a Catholic mass with a friend, I was seriously unnerved by it, and I was glad I didn't have to deal with all that on a regular basis. But all of my friends that I grew up with were Catholic. The two kids who were my age at my church were pricks. Christianity, in all its forms, was a total mindfuck.
Religion has always bewildered and fascinated me. At this point, it amuses me more than it angers me. As ridiculous as it all is, I still would say there is some truth in just some in just about any religion, because at the core of any religion is an appeal to the yearnings of our souls. I consider myself a spiritual person. Why? It's simple. Because I have a soul. I can't deny that, and wouldn't ever want to. I'm not sure if every other human being has a soul, because many appear to lack one, but I'm certain that I do. I don't at all think that when my body dies, my soul will also die. I can't accept that possibility. At the same time, I can't grasp the idea that I, as a soul, will exist forever. This too is a total mindfuck.
Oh well. I'm happy to be alive.0 -
For you... not for all of us. That is being very presumptuous in imposing the thought that your belief can be for 'all'.pandora wrote:to be shown by God that he was there for me...for all of us..
Spirituality does not need religion or a god. It comes from within.kenny olav wrote:I consider myself a spiritual person. Why? It's simple. Because I have a soul.
Same as miracles. They are not handed around by a 'supreme' being. A miracle (basically some event that one can't comprehend or explain scientifically at the time) can either be a fluke (eg the earthquake in Japan -a house is spared when others around it are completely destroyed) or come from some inner strength that one didn't know they had - a trigger of some sort made it happen. That my husband is a alive is a miracle, the medical profession said. My husband said he had an out of body experience, he saw my daughter and me and could hear our voices and he said he needed to be there for us. They used the word 'miracle' because he should have died. They used the word 'miracle' again regarding his recovery (ie he's not a vegetable). No god, no miracle, no nothing - just inner strength. Not inner strength given by god but from his will to see his daughter and be a dad for her. Oh, on a side note, out of body experience doesn't mean afterlife.
One believes what they want - I believe that religion and reliance on a supreme being is a crutch.0 -
Paul David wrote:
maybe it wasn't directed towards me, but since it wasn't a pm I was reading, I thought it was fine that I comment.
a theist is someone who believes in a higher power. So you are a theist. it's not an insult. that's just what it means. that is no more a generalization than saying you are a ten club member.
again you misunderstand as does redrock......it was not for you...
in that I said if you are in need of God and you both are not I take it.
I found he was there, shown he was there.
Thats not for you.
But there may be people out there that are in need of something,
searching, lost, self absorbed, unhappy, negative.
I was sharing my experience not trying to push any beliefs on anyone....
if something doesn't pertain to you, you could ignore it
I didn't read the entire thread but I believe I was one of the only ones jumped on
for my spiritual beliefs when I was just sharing my life story as others were.
As I said if for one minute you knew without a doubt divine supernatural intervention
I have experienced would you be so quick to hurt me?
And even if you don't believe what business would it be of yours?
I am happy and at peace in my knowledge and do not care what non believers think.
And if there is someone out there that can relate and get something
from my experience that is wonderful and might make their world better.
To another poster...
We all have choices that connect us together in the puzzle of life and beyond.
And it is not up to God to solve anything it is up to us.
Whether one believes in God or not we are here to learn and love everyone no matter their beliefs.
I hope that you love me and accept me as I do you.
Proud to be theist and just as proud to be a PJ fan!
They have been on my journey with me through it all!0
ramen brother! 
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