Religious Beliefs

Jasunmark wrote:

MrAbraham wrote:

are you sure i'm the one that's terrified?

Talk about ego, whoa! Which is exactly my point,

Typical Christian response... halfway between "I know you are but what am I" and answering with a question.

If you can't actually discuss a topic... try to find cute one-line responses that mean nothing.

The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:

I believe in evolution, not a creator. Heaven and hell both exist on earth and when we die we're dead.

Jasunmark wrote:

When I see all those douchebag football players thanking God for the touchdown, it makes me want to puke. As if there were a God and he chose to not help starving children being raped and shot in the head in Somalia because he was too busy helping you win the big game.

Paul David wrote:

I thought it was quite common in many religions not to believe in hell. no?

catefrances wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

God:yes. Heaven/afterlife:yes. Hell:no. Evolution:yes.

Side note: all the worlds major religions share the same core values.

how can you believe in heaven and not hell?
if, when you die, you dont go to heaven , where do you think you go?

MrAbraham wrote:

Are you absolutely certain that the Biblical Jesus did not exist? Keeping in mind, human intellectual limitations. Perhaps then leaving the door open for Human enhancement.

Now often when the argument of 'Did the Biblical Jesus exist' is brought up, the most powerful argument against a Biblical Jesus is often, the Osiris-Dionysus reference etc. Too many modern day Christians attempt to hide the many similarities between modern day Christianity and the Ancient faiths/cults or Myths of the old. From The Minoan civilization for example.

Now The Greco-Roman world had religious/cult practices, which started before them. Now It's very important to take note of something that is often overlooked.

Do similarities of the Biblical figure Jesus and the Jesus figure of the Ancient truly negate the possibility that a Biblical Jesus may of existed in the time we currently understand the biblical Jesus to of lived?

Also we should add something about human nature and human actions, specifically when faced with the unknown. When we do not understand something, or know something, too often in our history we add things to fill in the blanks.This is the danger. In the case of Christianity, we can see a solid example of this.

At the same time, the authors of certain books regarding the mysteries of Jesus fail to understand and take into account the same thing, and when we see their work, they are doing a similar thing some Christians have done, filled in the blanks with what they simply believe is true based on whatever information they can find supporting their cause, but simply lacking sound logic and reasoning when doing so.

And specifically lacking the knowledge and understanding of Human Nature and the Human Mind.

Now an example some authors of said books have used in trying to disprove the existence of the Biblical Jesus with citing similarities (as we have noted) of the Ancient Jesus and the Saturnalia and Son of Isis time frame.

What we do know is that this date was brought and stamped as the DOB of the Biblical Jesus years after it is believed the Biblical Jesus died or left the earth (depending), Biblical Scripture in fact cites his Birth at a time that from it's explanation was not a December date, but why is this ignored, by both sides! Perhaps the same reason it is believed that Jesus ate Pork yet it is clearly written in Biblical scripture to not do that. Yet Again we bring in human ignorance when they try to cancel one thing out and fill in the blanks. "It's not what goes in the mouth but what comes out". Which is used when countering that. Not truly understanding what it means.

It was the Church that used that December date which was honoring the Kronos, Why did they do this? Simply to fill in the blanks as we noted earlier, something as we know is dangerous. But why did they choose the same/Similar time frame of the Pagan Feast? I do not know why for sure, but one can with confidence say that based on the nature of people and how one can garner support for a cause, in this case Christianity. So do things that are familiar with the people, so you can gain the support of the people. Pagans were abundant at the time. So, ummm,you know the saying, when in Rome.....yet with an Agenda.

We also know that this worked, around this time Christianity really started to grow. That is something very interesting that we must take into account.

So to cite similarities and in many cases straight up copying of the The Greco-Roman world and it's religions,cults or myths. Is hardly a bases that one should use to come to the conclusion that (in this case) a man who we know as Jesus may of lived at the Biblical time that we are debating,

Before one Say's that they are 100% certain that the Biblical Jesus did not exist, Absolute Certainty? Think about it.

99% sure, that sounds better, but can anyone be 100% sure that Biblical Jesus did exist at the time? Or is 99% all we need these day's? 99% with 1% Belief? How certain must one be? Metaphysically Certain? absolutelly certain?


It can go both ways. Until we once again look at who we are as people, as humans, what we have done in our known history. Or even going back to our evolution from monkeys? To What we are now.

Also (to jump back a bit) a few more examples that are used for the argument against the Biblical Jesus based on Similarities of the Pagan Figure are the resurrection of Jesus, and equality with God.

Biblical Jesus and the equality with the Highest God, Or Gods is very interesting. Because sourced from enough writings at the time, whether one believes it was from a man named Jesus at the Biblical time or not is not of importance yet. Because the writings in fact make a clear differentiation that he (being real or) is not Equal to 'the father'. But simply a path to him.

But how can Christians make such a mistake? But what's even better is that this same mistake is used partly as proof of a Biblical Jesus not existing.

Look at Buddhism, modern day Buddhist also do something similar, they refer to Siddhartha Gautama as Lord, why do they do this? When from his teachings he clearly never implied this, hardly even spoke about a God/Gods. Let alone worshiping him. Yet the idols still go up, of stone wood, and Gold. Hardly the simple way's Buddha spoke of.

Again, it's this human nature, this thing we do. When we are able to strip away these things, we can see a much clearer picture.

Another thing, we have writings that came from the time of Jesus, are they his words? Again we can debate if he ever existed, but somethings in a few writings that are attributed with him at the time he was to of lived need to be examined, mainly the one referring to "kingdom of heaven"...is where? In you.

Contemplate that, it may take time, may take stages, but work on that, keeping in mind everything we have discussed and no doubt will continue to discuss and debate.

Now when people ask me things (and I get this quite a lot) like 'did the WTC have bombs in them?' My first response is often to ask why they think that in the first place, they see a building fall, but it fell after being hit by a plane.Why believe it was anything other than planes that brought them down? I don't know if bombs were in the towers, what I do know is that countries have used false flag operations and in this case wanting the towers to come down to push an agenda is very possible. But again, like this more rare topic of 'did Jesus exist at all' is like the bombs in the towers.

What we need to do is back up a bit, and ask, why would someone plant bombs in the towers? why would anybody want this to happen? Why would people make a story up about a man, saying he is so and so? We can see many reasons to do it, but does that mean they are true?

what do we know of the basic teachings of Jesus? He speaks about love, patience etc. A common theme with past figures. But where does this theme come from? How did it start? Why was it picked up and followed with such, passion? What is it that is in us?

Let's look at Basarwa and the Tsodilo Hills, we again can trace a pattern. This is very important. Also we must look at evolutionary thinking, and what caused the split.

Now in 2,000 years, the world as we know it may not exist, future man may not know we ever went into space, does this mean that we did not go into space? Touch the moon? (maybe it really was made in a Hollywood Basement)

Let's look at Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey, does anyone remember when the Black monolith first appears and the apes go nuts? they can't understand what it is, where it came from. Soon after one of the apes sits and it seems to be wondering, at this point he eventually discovers the use of weapons, in this case a bone which he uses to over power and control another group. This all started with the Black Monolith, something they saw and could not comprehend. What was our Black Monolith?

At what point did we decide that we would not move out of Africa like the Neanderthals did, but stay and evolve. One group stays behind and turns into what eventually is modern man and the other becomes extinct.

Yes this all relates to 'Did Jesus exist', because once one understands these other things, no doubt they will see the clear picture of the answer they are looking for.

The reality is, the argument of whether or not Jesus existed, whether or not he was touched by the divine if he was alive or not, or whether or not some super powerful being many call God exists at all...Does not have to be our debate. When we are dealing with something so old, one obviously can not provide cell phone videos of his birth, nor can we provide a picture of Moses and the burning Bush. Or can we? Well....

The thing is, to follow the common theme that exists, that we know exists through most of these stories, we can call it the Higgs Boson if we like, which we should know more about in a couple of years.

A common theme that ties everything together, anyone into Quantum mechanics? Physics? The act of observation and the changes that can occur by simply doing so.

That everything we say, and do is recorded far off in space time, the understanding of time and it's coming about is all relevant to this debate.

Now if we truly want to get these answers to these big questions, perhaps We can do so by getting to know ourselves, our nature. Perhaps then we will understand what 'The kingdom of God is in You' really means.

The question now becomes, who has enough courage to drop the ego and walk down this path? To become awake in a world that is asleep. To see the code of the Matrix if you will.

Wake up in the morning and not to allow the world around us to influence us negatively, to find the harmony in the universe that does exists, as after the Big Bang, the battle of matter and atoms, the cosmic dance that took place. Are we not start dust after all?

Black Diamond wrote:

I'm Jewish, but only in it for the doctor referrals and food