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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    again, i'm obviously not a big iguadala fan. but he was awesome last night. kate fagan's take:

    Is Iguodala stepping up?

    What we have this season is a 76ers team that is good enough to beat teams like the Orlando Magic and Chicago Bulls, but bad enough to lose twice at the Washington Wizards and at home against the Memphis Grizzlies. Essentially, this is a team without a leader. And that's the primary reason for the continued end-of-game collapses like Friday night's miserable loss to the Grizzlies. But the day after that game, Sixers coach Doug Collins held practice, something he might not have done had his team beaten Memphis. Something he might not have done if Collins didn't feel it essential to gather his team for some court time and perhaps a mental evaluation.

    But what maybe, just maybe, might have happened during that practice day on Saturday was that Andre Iguodala (might have, just maybe) decided he could do more for this team. And by that, he wasn't deciding to shoot more three pointers or maintain possession of the ball longer, but deciding to play with his heart on his sleeve. All out. All the time. Not worrying about how the fans react, or what people might think, or whether or not that last dunk would make ESPN's Top 10 Plays.

    Because what we saw tonight from Iguodala, during the team's 110-99 victory over the Denver Nuggets, was something we haven't seen in years -- if ever -- from him. During the 2008-09 season, the team leader was more Andre Miller than Iguodala. Last season, the team didn't have a leader. This season, until now, there were a few players that would occasionally step up, but none that were prepared for the role every night. And who knows what may happen going forward. We've seen Iguodala play well and then, the very next night, struggle in all facets. Who knows which player will show up against the New Jersey Nets. But if it's the player that showed up tonight against the Denver Nuggets, then the Sixers have just elevated themselves from somewhat interesting to very interesting.

    *Iguodala always plays hard, but it's often just solid effort and not over-the-top effort. Tonight, he was on the floor twice in one possession. We'd be hard pressed to remember another time he dove on the floor, let alone twice in one possession. And this was in the first half of the game. There was something different about the way he was playing tonight. He seemed engaged and excited to play rather than just being a good trooper and playing hard like he's supposed to. There was some emotion and excitement behind it.

    *In the locker room after the game, guys were saying this began the day before, in practice, when Iguodala talked to them about needing to be focused every time they were on the court together, and not just during game time. That means shootarounds and between-game practices. On the board after tonight's win was the practice time for tomorrow at PCOM and then, in black Sharpie, the phrase "the business of basketball," essentially saying that for the length of practice, everyone should be locked into the game. We've never seen this before, nothing even close to it. Considering how often the team loses focus for important stretches, practicing with this kind of focus is no small matter. And, according to some of the guys, Iguodala was the leader in this movement.

    So, it may not last. It might all be washed away with another troublesome loss, but on this night, the Sixers had a leader and a franchise player. And it made all of the differenc
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    igoudala is a great player in the right role ... he can't take over games although lately he has made some buckets late in the game ... i've always said this team is not too bad ... i think i saw a stat saying the sixers were 3-11 in games decided by 5 points or less ... that's just inexperience and immaturity ... this team is young and there are enough pieces to build around ...

    you gotta remember he's also playing hurt ... when it's your achilles - it's not good ... just don't expect him to be kobe ...
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    ping pong :eh:
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  • The Juggler
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    polaris_x wrote:
    igoudala is a great player in the right role ... he can't take over games although lately he has made some buckets late in the game ... i've always said this team is not too bad ... i think i saw a stat saying the sixers were 3-11 in games decided by 5 points or less ... that's just inexperience and immaturity ... this team is young and there are enough pieces to build around ...

    you gotta remember he's also playing hurt ... when it's your achilles - it's not good ... just don't expect him to be kobe ...

    i think they're 18-12 or so since that start. i'm not much of an iggy fan but he dominated carmello last night. all phases of the game. dominated him. and the nuggets have been playing real well lately.

    he's had games like this before. i'm interested in seeing if he can keep this up for a prolonged period of time. this is the first team in quite a while that is actually fun to watch. thinking about going to the knicks game next weekend.
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  • polaris_x
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    i think they're 18-12 or so since that start. i'm not much of an iggy fan but he dominated carmello last night. all phases of the game. dominated him. and the nuggets have been playing real well lately.

    he's had games like this before. i'm interested in seeing if he can keep this up for a prolonged period of time. this is the first team in quite a while that is actually fun to watch. thinking about going to the knicks game next weekend.

    you just need to temper your expectations ... this team will go in droughts and make a lot of mistakes ... it's not a veteran team like the Celtics ...
  • The Juggler
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    polaris_x wrote:
    i think they're 18-12 or so since that start. i'm not much of an iggy fan but he dominated carmello last night. all phases of the game. dominated him. and the nuggets have been playing real well lately.

    he's had games like this before. i'm interested in seeing if he can keep this up for a prolonged period of time. this is the first team in quite a while that is actually fun to watch. thinking about going to the knicks game next weekend.

    you just need to temper your expectations ... this team will go in droughts and make a lot of mistakes ... it's not a veteran team like the Celtics ...

    ha...my expectations are wins in the mid to upper 30's. let's not get crazy now.
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  • polaris_x
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    ha...my expectations are wins in the mid to upper 30's. let's not get crazy now.

    i wouldn't be surprised if they can break the 40 win barrier in the eastern conference ... anyone watch TNT's all star picks before the miami and okla city game? ... they couldn't even fill out the eastern conference roster because it was so bad ...
  • The Juggler
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    polaris_x wrote:
    ha...my expectations are wins in the mid to upper 30's. let's not get crazy now.

    i wouldn't be surprised if they can break the 40 win barrier in the eastern conference ... anyone watch TNT's all star picks before the miami and okla city game? ... they couldn't even fill out the eastern conference roster because it was so bad ...

    do you read john hollinger at all? he's got them 14 in his power ratings (i think he had them at 26 going into the season) and has them finishing 40-42. all depends on what they do or don't do at the deadline obviously...
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  • polaris_x
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    do you read john hollinger at all? he's got them 14 in his power ratings (i think he had them at 26 going into the season) and has them finishing 40-42. all depends on what they do or don't do at the deadline obviously...

    they'd be silly to do anything at the deadline except gain relief from salary until a new CBA is in place ...
  • 81
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    The Fixer wrote:

    so then i don't get why you keep saying they should tank the season. you keep contracting yourself.

    free agency is the easiest way...top 10 picks don't hurt either

    this team is stuck in an endless cycle of mediocrity. I just don't see how you can get behind such ineptitude. I know you keep bringing up holiday in the middle of the 1st round as a good pick, which it was. The success rate of picks in the top 10 are most likely higher than picking around 20...so the more games they lose, the better they are in my opinion.


    tanking for a couple of seasons and drafting a stud with the top pick is the way to go. Free agency is expensive.
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    polaris_x wrote:
    they couldn't even fill out the eastern conference roster because it was so bad ...

    i must have missed something since they haven't annouced the all star reserves yet.
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  • polaris_x
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    81 wrote:
    i must have missed something since they haven't annouced the all star reserves yet.

    TNT was picking their choices for all stars (chuck, c-webb, etc ...) both chuck and c-webb didn't want to use all the spots because they didn't think there was enough guys deserving of spots ...
  • 81
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    polaris_x wrote:
    81 wrote:
    i must have missed something since they haven't annouced the all star reserves yet.

    TNT was picking their choices for all stars (chuck, c-webb, etc ...) both chuck and c-webb didn't want to use all the spots because they didn't think there was enough guys deserving of spots ...


    got it. i don't watch talking head shows.
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  • The Juggler
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    polaris_x wrote:
    do you read john hollinger at all? he's got them 14 in his power ratings (i think he had them at 26 going into the season) and has them finishing 40-42. all depends on what they do or don't do at the deadline obviously...

    they'd be silly to do anything at the deadline except gain relief from salary until a new CBA is in place ...

    that's what i mean. if they trade iggy it would be for expiring contracts...
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  • The Juggler
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    81 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:

    so then i don't get why you keep saying they should tank the season. you keep contracting yourself.

    free agency is the easiest way...top 10 picks don't hurt either

    this team is stuck in an endless cycle of mediocrity. I just don't see how you can get behind such ineptitude. I know you keep bringing up holiday in the middle of the 1st round as a good pick, which it was. The success rate of picks in the top 10 are most likely higher than picking around 20...so the more games they lose, the better they are in my opinion.


    tanking for a couple of seasons and drafting a stud with the top pick is the way to go. Free agency is expensive.

    you'd think the clippers would be winning championships left and right then :mrgreen:
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  • 81
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    clippers are idiots....

    they lose Blake in 5 years. mark it.
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  • The Juggler
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    81 wrote:
    clippers are idiots....

    they lose Blake in 5 years. mark it.

    no doubt.

    i keep hearkening back to my point though. how do you tank a season? by playing your young players right? with the exception of brand (who is here for 2 more years) and iguadala 5 of their top 7 minute guys are all 24 and younger. the young guys are actually kinda good. they are too good to tank. :mrgreen:

    this thread just goes around in circles.
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  • 81
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    bench the good players and play the scrubs.

    injuries are a good way to tank as well. just ask San Antonio back when they picked up Tim Duncan.

    Or have Scott Skiles come in and coach for a few years. by the end, the players will stop playing and you end up with D. Rose.
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  • 81
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    the 76ers are in a shit spot. too talented to miss the playoffs (in a crappy eastern confrence), but not good enough to contend.
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  • The Juggler
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    81 wrote:
    bench the good players and play the scrubs.

    injuries are a good way to tank as well. just ask San Antonio back when they picked up Tim Duncan.

    Or have Scott Skiles come in and coach for a few years. by the end, the players will stop playing and you end up with D. Rose.

    :lol: dude come on.

    after mj retired, didnt the bulls go like 6 seasons with wins under the 30 mark? a bunch of 17 and 19 win years. that's 6 miserable seasons. followed by 6 mediocre seasons...and now a legit contender! and i could be wrong but rose was selected after the 4th straight year of medocrity... :?

    see, it's just that easy guys! :roll: :thumbup:
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