THE PHILADELPHIA EAGLES...

Flagg wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

crazypjfan wrote:

What's so bad about being a Cowboys fan? At least our team's year was decided by week 9 so they didnt get our hopes up and then not show up for a playoff game!

Not to mention, we have the #9 pick in the draft and will most likely be looking into Asomugha.

hahaha...are you seriously trying to rationalize that your pathetic 6-10 season was somewhat on par with a 10-6 division champion's? (by the way--how did the eagles not show up? they had the ball in their hands with a chance to win it right at the end :? )

i will assume you are joking here. congrats on the 9th pick though. i have full confidence jerry jones will screw it up somehow.

They didn't show up against Minnesota though when they could have been playing for a bye.

oh i know. believe me i know! :x .....we'd be waiting around to play the seahawks if they had won that game. no excuse.

he was talking about yesterday's game though.

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

they better be careful with an extension.


In his final seven starts of the season (counting Sunday), Vick threw seven interceptions, fumbled nine times and took 22 sacks.

i know you don't like the guy but to be fair he also threw 11 touchdowns and ran for 6 more. so that is 17 total tds, 7 picks, 1,960 passing yards, 61.5 completion percentage, 368 rushing yards and a qb rating of 90%.......all with a shaky offensive line and a coach adverse to running the football consistently. i really think andy asked him to do waay too much pretty much every game down the stretch.

but i think andy will do the right thing here. franchise him (if there is a franchise tag). see how next year plays out and go from there. dude was real good and real fun to watch this year. we would have struggled to get to 8 wins without him.

incidentally, i know you brought up the steve young comparison yesterday. if you look at vicks full year stats to steve young's first full year with the niners (in '91 he played in 11 games) they are still probably more similar than most people think. and don't think for a second that reid doesn't think he can complete this mike vick transformation over the next few years. cuz i'm pretty sure he does.

vick isn't going anywhere. I just don't like the guy. Eagles don't make the playoffs without him this year though.

vick couldn't hold steve young's jock strap. their numbers might be similar but vick isn't half the player that young was

most people simply remember the 2nd half of young's career. i guess you are one of them. the numbers are worth checking out though. i'm pretty sure andy reid has looked at them.

The Fixer wrote:

crazypjfan wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

they certainly had their deficiencies in the red zone and gave up way too many points. but despite all the injuries and personnel changes they finished 12th in overall total defense and 3rd in takeaways.

But weren't they last in red zone defense or close to it? I think that is what killed them. I don't put too much stock in stats though. Look at what happened in Seattle to the #4 defense on Saturday.

Exactly. Jeags loves these yardage rankings, even though they are pointless. SD was first in defense and 2nd in offense. how'd that work for them?

so much changes week to week in the NFL. The yardage rankings are a terrible barometer for...well, for anything

umm, there's a reason why 7 of the top 10 teams in yards per game defense are also in the top 10 in points allowed per game dude. not sure how you don't see a correlation there :?

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

there's assholes everywhere dude. you're taking one isolated incident to prove your point. regarding my car at the pearl jam show a couple years ago, i'm not gonna make generalizations about all pj fans based on the jerkoffs who did that....

you sound like skip bayless right now

not at all jaegs. the word i used is how i describe most fans who go to eagles games. this type of behavior supports that but in no way am i using this story as the full basis of my belief. a lot more goes into that belief than one incident. my bad for bringing it up, i guess i should left it alone and kept my opinion to myself a few weeks ago. it's all good though, just trying to make some conversation.

congratulations. you've correctly pointed out that there are assholes who attend eagles games.

you've just blown our minds.

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dnea ... Young.html
Vick Reminds Marty of Steve Young
Offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg noted that the Giants' defense is No. 1 in the league and No. 1 on third down.

"Very physical, very fast, very quick defense," Mornhinweg said. "Excellent personnel, excellent schemes."

"This group, as you know, can rush the passer," he said. "They do a heckuva job getting to that quarterback ... Maybe the very best defensive line that I've seen, up to date."

Mornhinweg said Michael Vick and Steve Young, whom Mornhinweg worked with in San Francisco, are similar in makeup and ability.

"An awful lot of hard work by him," Mornhinweg said when asked about Vick's ascent. "He's got great gut instincts as well."

great. that's coming from the guy who once chose to kickoff after he won the coin toss in OT.

young is one of the 10-15 best QBs ever. vick is maybe one of the top 10 qbs in the NFL right now. see the difference??

you sound like someone unfamiliar with steve young pre 1991.

to help you out, you recently posted a few articles praising andy reid by ruben frank. here's one
by frank talking about the eagles offense and comparing the similarities between vick and young's careers to this point:
http://www.csnphilly.com/12/24/10/Mornh ... feedID=704

Just like the Niners

They both featured a veteran left-handed quarterback who was equally dangerous throwing or running. Both were led by an electrifying big-play wide receiver supplemented by a very good No. 2 wide out. Both had a tailback who could make big plays on the ground or through the air, and both had a tight end who was capable of making big plays down the field.

With two games left in this remarkable 2010 season, the Eagles are on pace to finish the regular season with 4,331 passing yards and 2,395 rushing yards.

Only one team in NFL history has had that many passing and rushing yards in the same season.

That was the 1998 San Francisco 49ers.

Their offensive coordinator? Marty Mornhinweg.

It’s impossible not to compare the Eagles with Mornhinweg’s 49ers. They’re mirror images of each other.

“I don’t really get into comparisons very much because that group did it for a long time, and this group is so young and just getting started,” Mornhinweg said. “But there’s no question we can do a lot of the same things that group did.”

Michael Vick is Steve Young. DeSean is Jerry. Maclin is T.O. Shady McCoy is Garrison Hearst, Brent Celek is Brent Jones and Jason Avant is J.J. Stokes.

Heck, while we’re at it, Kevin Kolb is Ty Detmer.

It all lines up.

“Very similar,” Mornhinweg said. “I’ve been fortunate to be with a few teams now that have had great talent, great players. And I think there’s a chance that when all is said and done, this group’s even better than that one. But that’s a long way off. Let’s see how far this offense goes and then we can take a little bit of time and step back and analyze it.”

There are certainly many parallels between Vick and Young. Both blossomed a decade into their careers – for very different reasons.

“Steve did it over a long period of time and got a Super Bowl win, so that’s Mike’s challenge now,” Mornhinweg said. “Mike’s playing as good as any quarterback has played but for a small stretch. His challenge now is to do it year after year. That’s the next step for him.”