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pjhawks · November 2010

The Jeagler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

After today I'm near the brink of ranking football below college hoops on my levels of importance in my choices of sports. I'm starting to realize that refs are no longer about facilitating a fair playing field, but to control the game. I'm just sayin...starting to become more and more disenchanted with this stupid sport.

the call on cole for touching manning's helmet with his f@cking fingernail was an ABOMINATION. this was the worst officiated game i think i've ever seen.

Jaegs, simple you can't touch a QB in the head, it's a penalty no matter how shitty of a rule it is. I don't have a problem so much with the calls for hitting guys in the head. i understand trying to get that out of the game fine but those officials missed too many other calls. the non-interference call with 6:00 on 3rd and 10 against Jackson was brutal - same call they call against Stew Bradley at least once a week. Vick get tackled at least 5 yards out of bounds and nothing called because it came one play after a ticky tack personal foul for hitting Vick. The ridiculous TD call on Vick's run that wasn't close, then not calling the next play a touchdown for like 30 seconds even though he was in by 3 yard. Terrible officiating.

5-3 with this defense is pretty impressive. I almost never think they are stopping anyone. Why do we continue to allow Stewart Bradley into pass coverage after 1st down? He couldn't guard me over the middle at this point. Patterson was damn good in coverage yesterday. Was impressed. I think the Fixer has been touting that guy since the beginning of the season. Lots and lots of weapons on offense and Vick not turning the ball over have been huge. One game past where i'd thought they'd be at this point with 2 games with the tanking Cowboys at the end. Huge game next week against the Redskins, can't lose twice to a division opponent who might be close to wild card run - can't lose those tie-breakers. Andy Reid keeps it going doesn't he?

The Juggler · November 2010

pjhawks wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

After today I'm near the brink of ranking football below college hoops on my levels of importance in my choices of sports. I'm starting to realize that refs are no longer about facilitating a fair playing field, but to control the game. I'm just sayin...starting to become more and more disenchanted with this stupid sport.

the call on cole for touching manning's helmet with his f@cking fingernail was an ABOMINATION. this was the worst officiated game i think i've ever seen.

Jaegs, simple you can't touch a QB in the head, it's a penalty no matter how shitty of a rule it is. I don't have a problem so much with the calls for hitting guys in the head. i understand trying to get that out of the game fine but those officials missed too many other calls. the non-interference call with 6:00 on 3rd and 10 against Jackson was brutal - same call they call against Stew Bradley at least once a week. Vick get tackled at least 5 yards out of bounds and nothing called because it came one play after a ticky tack personal foul for hitting Vick. The ridiculous TD call on Vick's run that wasn't close, then not calling the next play a touchdown for like 30 seconds even though he was in by 3 yard. Terrible officiating.

5-3 with this defense is pretty impressive. I almost never think they are stopping anyone. Why do we continue to allow Stewart Bradley into pass coverage after 1st down? He couldn't guard me over the middle at this point. Patterson was damn good in coverage yesterday. Was impressed. I think the Fixer has been touting that guy since the beginning of the season. Lots and lots of weapons on offense and Vick not turning the ball over have been huge. One game past where i'd thought they'd be at this point with 2 games with the tanking Cowboys at the end. Huge game next week against the Redskins, can't lose twice to a division opponent who might be close to wild card run - can't lose those tie-breakers. Andy Reid keeps it going doesn't he?

well he is one hell of a regular season coach. there is no denying that.

i like our chances down the stretch...

Johnny Abruzzo · November 2010

So I'm one of 3 people left in a survivor pool. Trying to win $800.

Here are my choices this week:
Bears (vs. Vikings) - This scares me because the Vikings are completely unpredictable
Bucs (vs. Panthers) - I lke picking against Carolina because they are horrible, but TB are the cardiac kids
Giants (vs. Cowboys) - This seems way too obvious - maybe the Boys will wake up this week, maybe the Giants will look ahead to the Birds? Am I overthinking this?

Let me know what you think, my fellow Philly sports talker people.

Jearlpam0925 · November 2010

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

So I'm one of 3 people left in a survivor pool. Trying to win $800.

Here are my choices this week:
Bears (vs. Vikings) - This scares me because the Vikings are completely unpredictable
Bucs (vs. Panthers) - I lke picking against Carolina because they are horrible, but TB are the cardiac kids
Giants (vs. Cowboys) - This seems way too obvious - maybe the Boys will wake up this week, maybe the Giants will look ahead to the Birds? Am I overthinking this?

Let me know what you think, my fellow Philly sports talker people.

I'd go Bucs then Giants. For as bad as the Boys are they still do have talent. Carolina is just atrocious. No QB, and I think they'll be without both rb's again. TB played ATL tough.

Also, 13 year-old Andrew Reid was bigger than I am in adulthood. Dear......Lord.

pjhawks · November 2010

The Jeagler wrote:

well he is one hell of a regular season coach. there is no denying that.

i like our chances down the stretch...

he actually has one hell of a playoff record as well - rarely loses in the 1st round. Getting to 5 NFC Championship games is pretty darn hard to do. Granted we want a Super Bowl victory not doubt but his playoff record is still damn good.

the reason Andy Reid is a great coach is because whatever type of team he has he just wins games. It is very hard to win games in the NFL consistently and he has done it. Look at how many teams go south quickly when things go wrong, see Cowboys and Vikings this year for example - Reid's teams never ever quit on him and they never go in the tank. He has won with no receivers, no running backs, great defenses, shitty defenses - the guy just wins football games. Still early to count this as a playoff team but it is looking pretty darn good right now.

The Juggler · November 2010

pjhawks wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

well he is one hell of a regular season coach. there is no denying that.

i like our chances down the stretch...

he actually has one hell of a playoff record as well - rarely loses in the 1st round. Getting to 5 NFC Championship games is pretty darn hard to do. Granted we want a Super Bowl victory not doubt but his playoff record is still damn good.

the reason Andy Reid is a great coach is because whatever type of team he has he just wins games. It is very hard to win games in the NFL consistently and he has done it. Look at how many teams go south quickly when things go wrong, see Cowboys and Vikings this year for example - Reid's teams never ever quit on him and they never go in the tank. He has won with no receivers, no running backs, great defenses, shitty defenses - the guy just wins football games. Still early to count this as a playoff team but it is looking pretty darn good right now.

ha...sell that one a little harder dude. reid is a good coach. not great one. good. i have and will always say that. greatness comes with winning the biggest of big games...of which he has, to this point, always come up woefully small.

5-3 is exactly where i had this team at this point. granted i had them beating the skins and losing to the colts. but overall, this team is right on track. so he's coaching up to the talent he has to work with, which is what is expected of a good coach. thankfully he did not adhere to your two quarterback philosophy you spouted a couple months ago though

GO BIRDS!

81 · November 2010

tell him to keep throwing it to D. Jackson.

thanks

pjhawks · November 2010

The Jeagler wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

well he is one hell of a regular season coach. there is no denying that.

i like our chances down the stretch...

he actually has one hell of a playoff record as well - rarely loses in the 1st round. Getting to 5 NFC Championship games is pretty darn hard to do. Granted we want a Super Bowl victory not doubt but his playoff record is still damn good.

the reason Andy Reid is a great coach is because whatever type of team he has he just wins games. It is very hard to win games in the NFL consistently and he has done it. Look at how many teams go south quickly when things go wrong, see Cowboys and Vikings this year for example - Reid's teams never ever quit on him and they never go in the tank. He has won with no receivers, no running backs, great defenses, shitty defenses - the guy just wins football games. Still early to count this as a playoff team but it is looking pretty darn good right now.

ha...sell that one a little harder dude. reid is a good coach. not great one. good. i have and will always say that. greatness comes with winning the biggest of big games...of which he has, to this point, always come up woefully small.

5-3 is exactly where i had this team at this point. granted i had them beating the skins and losing to the colts. but overall, this team is right on track. so he's coaching up to the talent he has to work with, which is what is expected of a good coach. thankfully he did not adhere to your two quarterback philosophy you spouted a couple months ago though

GO BIRDS!

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getting to a Super Bowl and 4 other NFC Championships is winning big games. So the 4 NFC championship losses are big games because he lost, but the one he won isn't a big game because the lost the super bowl? illogical. winning one more game doesn't necessarily makes you better than someone who hasn't won it YET (remember Bill Cowher took what 12 years to win one...) - see Trent Dilfer vs. Dan Marino. and eli manning has as many titles as peyton, please don't tell me they are equals. and I'd love to know what current coaches are better than Andy Reid.

81 · November 2010

pjhawks wrote:

and I'd love to know what current coaches are better than Andy Reid.

i'd take Fisher over Reid

i think you could say the guy up in new england is better, although i can't stand him.

Giants HC
Shannahan used to be, but's he's losing it.
maybe the packers and new orleans coachs

Reid is in the top quarter of the league.

so much of it is organization.

pjhawks · November 2010

81 wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

and I'd love to know what current coaches are better than Andy Reid.

i'd take Fisher over Reid

i think you could say the guy up in new england is better, although i can't stand him.

Giants HC
Shannahan used to be, but's he's losing it.
maybe the packers and new orleans coachs

Reid is in the top quarter of the league.

so much of it is organization.

What the heck has Jeff Fisher ever won? one good playoff run and that is it.

Bellicheck for sure.
off the top of my head I think Fisher, Tomlin, and Peyton he is either right there with or slightly behind (i am probably missing someone)

Coughlin - I think Reid is a way better coach than Coughlin - don't forget he was getting fired before their hot playoff run to win the super bowl - one good run and one great win for coughlin and that is it.

Shanahan - one good run with Elway and that is it - has been under .500 I believe since Elway retired.

Maybe a few more that are close but need to be around longer and win for a decade: Whisenhut, Ryan, Harbaugh, Smith

the rest he is way better than.

He is closer to 2nd than 12th.

81 · November 2010

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/

i concede, based on regular season win %, it would be tough to make a case agaist reid

Johnny Abruzzo · November 2010

81 wrote:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/

i concede, based on regular season win %, it would be tough to make a case agaist reid

113-70-1. Started out with a 3-13 team. Not too shabby, as flabbergasting as it is to watch him coach.

Sometimes winning in the playoffs is about luck & circumstance. 2004 team got matched up with a dynasty team at their peak. Of course, the 2002 team was a huge chokejob.

The Juggler · November 2010

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

81 wrote:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/

i concede, based on regular season win %, it would be tough to make a case agaist reid

113-70-1. Started out with a 3-13 team. Not too shabby, as flabbergasting as it is to watch him coach.

Sometimes winning in the playoffs is about luck & circumstance. 2004 team got matched up with a dynasty team at their peak. Of course, the 2002 team was a huge chokejob.

pjhawks surfaces after most wins and always says the same old things like in he does in the phils thread. the guy's a good coach. he is by no means great. i don't think an nfl coach can be considered great until he wins at least one championship. can you think of a "great" one who never won at least one? nothing wrong with being a good coach though. hopefully that changes in the next couple years

but really, as good a coach as he is...he should be better 12 years into his career. the same problems that persisted 10 years ago still abound now. even yesterday--biggest win this organization has had in a couple years and timeouts were mismanaged yet again. the challenge on first and goal from the 1 centimeter line was pretty stupid too. 3rd or 4th down, yes. 1st and a fingernail? no. that could have been a huge timeout...

81 · November 2010

The Jeagler wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

81 wrote:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/

i concede, based on regular season win %, it would be tough to make a case agaist reid

113-70-1. Started out with a 3-13 team. Not too shabby, as flabbergasting as it is to watch him coach.

Sometimes winning in the playoffs is about luck & circumstance. 2004 team got matched up with a dynasty team at their peak. Of course, the 2002 team was a huge chokejob.

pjhawks surfaces after most wins and always says the same old things like in the phils thread. the guy's a good coach. he is by no means great. i don't think an nfl coach can be considered great until he wins at least one championship. can you think of a "great" one who never won at least one? nothing wrong with being a good coach though. hopefully that changes in the next couple years

but really, as good a coach as he is...he should be better 12 years into his career. the same problems that persisted 10 years ago still abound now. even yesterday--biggest win this organization has had in a couple years and timeouts were mismanaged yet again. the challenge on first and goal from the 1 centimeter line was pretty stupid too. 3rd or 4th down, yes. 1st and a fingernail? no. that could have been a huge timeout...

you always challenge TD's. never know when an INT or fumble is going to rear it's ugly head. if you get the ball into the endzone, you take it.

The Juggler · November 2010

81 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

113-70-1. Started out with a 3-13 team. Not too shabby, as flabbergasting as it is to watch him coach.

Sometimes winning in the playoffs is about luck & circumstance. 2004 team got matched up with a dynasty team at their peak. Of course, the 2002 team was a huge chokejob.

pjhawks surfaces after most wins and always says the same old things like in the phils thread. the guy's a good coach. he is by no means great. i don't think an nfl coach can be considered great until he wins at least one championship. can you think of a "great" one who never won at least one? nothing wrong with being a good coach though. hopefully that changes in the next couple years

but really, as good a coach as he is...he should be better 12 years into his career. the same problems that persisted 10 years ago still abound now. even yesterday--biggest win this organization has had in a couple years and timeouts were mismanaged yet again. the challenge on first and goal from the 1 centimeter line was pretty stupid too. 3rd or 4th down, yes. 1st and a fingernail? no. that could have been a huge timeout...

you always challenge TD's. never know when an INT or fumble is going to rear it's ugly head. if you get the ball into the endzone, you take it.

normally yes. but not on first and goal with a centimeter to go. i disagreed with that one firmly last night. the replays were not that supportive of it being overturned too imo.

81 · November 2010

The Jeagler wrote:

normally yes. but not on first and goal with a centimeter to go. i disagreed with that one firmly last night. the replays were not that supportive of it being overturned too imo.

obviously, that plays a part in it. i didn't see the play, but if it wasn't close, then you bang away.

i just keep thinking of the cutler fumble that should have been called a td but was ruled a fumble and Lovie didn't challange.

The Juggler · November 2010

81 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

normally yes. but not on first and goal with a centimeter to go. i disagreed with that one firmly last night. the replays were not that supportive of it being overturned too imo.

obviously, that plays a part in it. i didn't see the play, but if it wasn't close, then you bang away.

i just keep thinking of the cutler fumble that should have been called a td but was ruled a fumble and Lovie didn't challange.

what about a great coach who never won a super bowl. can you name one? marv levy i guess? but he at least won 4 afc championships. not sure i would consider him great but i guess you can make the argument...

Johnny Abruzzo · November 2010

The Jeagler wrote:

81 wrote:

you always challenge TD's. never know when an INT or fumble is going to rear it's ugly head. if you get the ball into the endzone, you take it.

normally yes. but not on first and goal with a centimeter to go. i disagreed with that one firmly last night. the replays were not that supportive of it being overturned too imo.

Being a cm away doesn't have anything to do with it. The reason you DON'T challenge is that you're not sure you're gonna win. Andy Reid always challenges with his heart, rather than his head.

Now, if you look at, say, Tom Coughlin, when he challenges, it's because he knows he's gonna win. Andy Reid challenges just because the crowd booed or whatever. That's why he wastes so many timeouts throwing red flags.

The Juggler · November 2010

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

81 wrote:

you always challenge TD's. never know when an INT or fumble is going to rear it's ugly head. if you get the ball into the endzone, you take it.

normally yes. but not on first and goal with a centimeter to go. i disagreed with that one firmly last night. the replays were not that supportive of it being overturned too imo.

Being a cm away doesn't have anything to do with it. The reason you DON'T challenge is that you're not sure you're gonna win. Andy Reid always challenges with his heart, rather than his head.

Now, if you look at, say, Tom Coughlin, when he challenges, it's because he knows he's gonna win. Andy Reid challenges just because the crowd booed or whatever. That's why he wastes so many timeouts throwing red flags.

my other beef with that challenge was how quickly he threw the flag. he made a split decision based on what i saw and what the rest of the crowd saw. you gotta give your people upstairs a little bit of time to look at every replay they have avaialble to them.

this is nit picking though. like i said--this was this organizations biggest win since 2008. just bugs me that reid continues to do things like that year in, year out.

agreed about coughlin though.

81 · November 2010

The Jeagler wrote:

81 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

normally yes. but not on first and goal with a centimeter to go. i disagreed with that one firmly last night. the replays were not that supportive of it being overturned too imo.

obviously, that plays a part in it. i didn't see the play, but if it wasn't close, then you bang away.

i just keep thinking of the cutler fumble that should have been called a td but was ruled a fumble and Lovie didn't challange.

what about a great coach who never won a super bowl. can you name one? marv levy i guess? but he at least won 4 afc championships. not sure i would consider him great but i guess you can make the argument...

Marty Schottenheimer 200 wins with a .613 winning %. he had a lot of good teams in multiple cities.

Chick Knox (186 @ .559)? Bud Grant(158 @.622)? Dan Reeves(190 @ .535 w/ 4 SB losses)

if i had to pick, i'd say Marty was a pretty fine ball coach that didn't win it.

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