THE PHILADELPHIA EAGLES...

81

worst coach all time, or at least record, Faye Abbott. 0-13 lifetime.

Jearlpam0925

Jeags, this argument doesn't hold much water because there's been some so-so coaches to win championships and are totally overblown with their "legacies". I'd take Reid over any coach in the league except for probably Belicheck.

pjhawks

The Jeagler wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

81 wrote:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/





i concede, based on regular season win %, it would be tough to make a case agaist reid

113-70-1. Started out with a 3-13 team. Not too shabby, as flabbergasting as it is to watch him coach.

Sometimes winning in the playoffs is about luck & circumstance. 2004 team got matched up with a dynasty team at their peak. Of course, the 2002 team was a huge chokejob.

pjhawks surfaces after most wins and always says the same old things like in he does in the phils thread. the guy's a good coach. he is by no means great. i don't think an nfl coach can be considered great until he wins at least one championship. can you think of a "great" one who never won at least one? nothing wrong with being a good coach though. hopefully that changes in the next couple years

but really, as good a coach as he is...he should be better 12 years into his career. the same problems that persisted 10 years ago still abound now. even yesterday--biggest win this organization has had in a couple years and timeouts were mismanaged yet again. the challenge on first and goal from the 1 centimeter line was pretty stupid too. 3rd or 4th down, yes. 1st and a fingernail? no. that could have been a huge timeout...

actually not true at all Jaegs - this is the 1st time i've really commented this year after a win. thought it was appropriate being at the mid-point of the season (remember you harping on what their record would be at the mid-point?) and seeing as how other teams are completely going in the tank and how Reid's team's never go in the tank. i think it was a totally appropriate comment at the time of the season and based on what else is going on in the NFL.

Reid's career is not over - at this point in his career Cowher hadn't won one.

Great coaches not to win a Super Bowl - off the top of my head Marty Schottenheimer, Bud Grant, Mary Levy, Jeff Fisher, Buddy Ryan

Average or Bad coaches to win at least one super bowl - Barry Switzer, Brian Billick, Tom Coughlan, Tony Dungy

those names popped into my head without thinking or looking any up

and i agree he is awful on challenges - not a strength of his for sure

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Jeags, this argument doesn't hold much water because there's been some so-so coaches to win championships and are totally overblown with their "legacies". I'd take Reid over any coach in the league except for probably Belicheck.

i'm not saying you have to be a great coach to win a super bowl. i'm saying in order to be a great coach, you have to win one though. does that make any sense?

regarding the other coaches in the league--reid's consisently in the top 5 year in, year out. no doubt. i wasn't part of that discussion. the league is filled with horrific coaches right now.

pjhawks

The Jeagler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Jeags, this argument doesn't hold much water because there's been some so-so coaches to win championships and are totally overblown with their "legacies". I'd take Reid over any coach in the league except for probably Belicheck.

i'm not saying you have to be a great coach to win a super bowl. i'm saying in order to be a great coach, you have to win one though. does that make any sense?

regarding the other coaches in the league--reid's consisently in the top 5 year in, year out. no doubt. i wasn't part of that discussion. the league is filled with horrific coaches right now.

and don't forget his one super bowl may have been stolen by a convicted cheater.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

pjhawks surfaces after most wins and always says the same old things like in he does in the phils thread. the guy's a good coach. he is by no means great. i don't think an nfl coach can be considered great until he wins at least one championship. can you think of a "great" one who never won at least one? nothing wrong with being a good coach though. hopefully that changes in the next couple years

but really, as good a coach as he is...he should be better 12 years into his career. the same problems that persisted 10 years ago still abound now. even yesterday--biggest win this organization has had in a couple years and timeouts were mismanaged yet again. the challenge on first and goal from the 1 centimeter line was pretty stupid too. 3rd or 4th down, yes. 1st and a fingernail? no. that could have been a huge timeout...

actually not true at all Jaegs - this is the 1st time i've really commented this year after a win. thought it was appropriate being at the mid-point of the season (remember you harping on what their record would be at the mid-point?) and seeing as how other teams are completely going in the tank and how Reid's team's never go in the tank. i think it was a totally appropriate comment at the time of the season and based on what else is going on in the NFL.

Reid's career is not over - at this point in his career Cowher hadn't won one.

Great coaches not to win a Super Bowl - off the top of my head Marty Schottenheimer, Bud Grant, Mary Levy, Jeff Fisher, Buddy Ryan

Average or Bad coaches to win at least one super bowl - Barry Switzer, Brian Billick, Tom Coughlan, Tony Dungy

those names popped into my head without thinking or looking any up

and i agree he is awful on challenges - not a strength of his for sure

i realize reid's career is not over. so i am judging him by what he's done up until this point. cowher was not considered great until he won it in '06. 12 years is a pretty good amount of time. i also said, in regard to reid being good not great--hopefully that changes in the next year or so. implying that hopefully we get over the hump and win one.

if you think buddy ryan was a great head coach. this conversation is over right now. do not bother posting in this thread ever again. i loved the guy and that team was amazing. but....i can't even believe you brought buddy ryan into this discussion.

the other guys though....good, not great. you can make an argument for levy simply for winning 4 afc championship games. i brought his name up earlier. you think schottenheimer and fischer are great coaches? good, maybe very good at times. i would not consider them great. this is good discussion though.

and the average or bad coach argument--see my above post to jp. that's not my point.

buddy ryan wow

pjhawks

The Jeagler wrote:

i realize reid's career is not over. so i am judging him by what he's done up until this point. cowher was not considered great until he won it in '06. 12 years is a pretty good amount of time. i also said, in regard to reid being good not great--hopefully that changes in the next year or so. implying that hopefully we get over the hump and win one.

if you think buddy ryan was a great head coach. this conversation is over right now. do not bother posting in this thread ever again. i loved the guy and that team was amazing. but....i can't even believe you brought buddy ryan into this discussion.

the other guys though....good, not great. you can make an argument for levy simply for winning 4 afc championship games. i brought his name up earlier. you think schottenheimer and fischer are great coaches? good, maybe very good at times. i would not consider them great. this is good discussion though.

and the average or bad coach argument--see my above post to jp. that's not my point.

buddy ryan wow

lol i put Buddy in there to get a rise out of you and anyone else. I love Buddy, still my all time favorite coach. Football was never as fun as when Buddy was around. Agree not a great coach but still damn fun.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

i realize reid's career is not over. so i am judging him by what he's done up until this point. cowher was not considered great until he won it in '06. 12 years is a pretty good amount of time. i also said, in regard to reid being good not great--hopefully that changes in the next year or so. implying that hopefully we get over the hump and win one.

if you think buddy ryan was a great head coach. this conversation is over right now. do not bother posting in this thread ever again. i loved the guy and that team was amazing. but....i can't even believe you brought buddy ryan into this discussion.

the other guys though....good, not great. you can make an argument for levy simply for winning 4 afc championship games. i brought his name up earlier. you think schottenheimer and fischer are great coaches? good, maybe very good at times. i would not consider them great. this is good discussion though.

and the average or bad coach argument--see my above post to jp. that's not my point.

buddy ryan wow

lol i put Buddy in there to get a rise out of you and anyone else. I love Buddy, still my all time favorite coach. Football was never as fun as when Buddy was around. Agree not a great coach but still damn fun.

ha--i was hoping you were kidding. i think that era of eagles football, until this current phils run, was my favorite philly sports team of all time. ....i'll even take the thump and bump sixers era over the '01 team if you can believe that.

The Juggler

birds -3 this week......must win. this is an absolute must win gentlemen. 6-3 heading into a snf showdown with the giants is essential....

81

Buddy was a great D coordinator on the Bears, but average at best as a HC.

Marty did some amazing things in Cleveland, KC and SD. The chargers made a mistake when they got rid of him. I'd take him as a head coach. all he does is win. if it wasn't for "The Drive" and "The Fumble" you might have had a mini dynasty in Cleveland.

Jearlpam0925

81 wrote:

Buddy was a great D coordinator on the Bears, but average at best as a HC.

Marty did some amazing things in Cleveland, KC and SD. The chargers made a mistake when they got rid of him. I'd take him as a head coach. all he does is win. if it wasn't for "The Drive" and "The Fumble" you might have had a mini dynasty in Cleveland.

Earnest. Byner.

What a wild name Earnest is.

pjhawks

The Jeagler wrote:

birds -3 this week......must win. this is an absolute must win gentlemen. 6-3 heading into a snf showdown with the giants is essential....

agree and can't lose to a division opponent twice - could be a killer tie-breaker later in the season although I see the Redskins dropping back a bit.

The Fixer

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

After today I'm near the brink of ranking football below college hoops on my levels of importance in my choices of sports. I'm starting to realize that refs are no longer about facilitating a fair playing field, but to control the game. I'm just sayin...starting to become more and more disenchanted with this stupid sport.

like I've been saying for 5 years now...the NFL product gets worse every year. goodell has just sped up the process since he's taken over. the dude has the league in shambles.

if not for gambling, I wouldn't watch this shit

The Fixer

pjhawks wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

After today I'm near the brink of ranking football below college hoops on my levels of importance in my choices of sports. I'm starting to realize that refs are no longer about facilitating a fair playing field, but to control the game. I'm just sayin...starting to become more and more disenchanted with this stupid sport.

the call on cole for touching manning's helmet with his f@cking fingernail was an ABOMINATION. this was the worst officiated game i think i've ever seen.

Jaegs, simple you can't touch a QB in the head, it's a penalty no matter how shitty of a rule it is. I don't have a problem so much with the calls for hitting guys in the head. i understand trying to get that out of the game fine but those officials missed too many other calls. the non-interference call with 6:00 on 3rd and 10 against Jackson was brutal - same call they call against Stew Bradley at least once a week. Vick get tackled at least 5 yards out of bounds and nothing called because it came one play after a ticky tack personal foul for hitting Vick. The ridiculous TD call on Vick's run that wasn't close, then not calling the next play a touchdown for like 30 seconds even though he was in by 3 yard. Terrible officiating.

5-3 with this defense is pretty impressive. I almost never think they are stopping anyone. Why do we continue to allow Stewart Bradley into pass coverage after 1st down? He couldn't guard me over the middle at this point. Patterson was damn good in coverage yesterday. Was impressed. I think the Fixer has been touting that guy since the beginning of the season. Lots and lots of weapons on offense and Vick not turning the ball over have been huge. One game past where i'd thought they'd be at this point with 2 games with the tanking Cowboys at the end. Huge game next week against the Redskins, can't lose twice to a division opponent who might be close to wild card run - can't lose those tie-breakers. Andy Reid keeps it going doesn't he?

I agree with most of this. I don't think the refs are the main issue...it's the stupid ass rules that the league continues to tinker with. Just absolutely horrible.

And yes, I have been on patterson's nuts all year. the dude can play. you know who gets a pass on this team? quentin mikell. He just isn't good.

nice win...means nothing if they don't win on monday night

The Fixer

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

So I'm one of 3 people left in a survivor pool. Trying to win $800.

Here are my choices this week:
Bears (vs. Vikings) - This scares me because the Vikings are completely unpredictable
Bucs (vs. Panthers) - I lke picking against Carolina because they are horrible, but TB are the cardiac kids
Giants (vs. Cowboys) - This seems way too obvious - maybe the Boys will wake up this week, maybe the Giants will look ahead to the Birds? Am I overthinking this?

Let me know what you think, my fellow Philly sports talker people.

I'm one of 13 left in mine. started with 160 and the buy in was $40 per entry. so I gotta nice shot to win some money. the jets, vikings, and chargers all screwed me by winning on sunday.

I used the ginas already...I'm on TB this week. just look at carolina's qb situation

The Fixer

pjhawks wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

well he is one hell of a regular season coach. there is no denying that.

i like our chances down the stretch...

he actually has one hell of a playoff record as well - rarely loses in the 1st round. Getting to 5 NFC Championship games is pretty darn hard to do. Granted we want a Super Bowl victory not doubt but his playoff record is still damn good.

the reason Andy Reid is a great coach is because whatever type of team he has he just wins games. It is very hard to win games in the NFL consistently and he has done it. Look at how many teams go south quickly when things go wrong, see Cowboys and Vikings this year for example - Reid's teams never ever quit on him and they never go in the tank. He has won with no receivers, no running backs, great defenses, shitty defenses - the guy just wins football games. Still early to count this as a playoff team but it is looking pretty darn good right now.

only lost 1 first round game since he's been the head coach here.

pjhawks, me and you need to start the andy reid fan club. It will just be the 2 of us since the rest of the city hates the guy. I just don't get it

Jearlpam0925

Dude I know is in a 400 person suicide pool that's $100. That's right - $40,000 if you win. I gotta get in on that next year.

The Fixer

The Jeagler wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

81 wrote:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/





i concede, based on regular season win %, it would be tough to make a case agaist reid

113-70-1. Started out with a 3-13 team. Not too shabby, as flabbergasting as it is to watch him coach.

Sometimes winning in the playoffs is about luck & circumstance. 2004 team got matched up with a dynasty team at their peak. Of course, the 2002 team was a huge chokejob.

can you think of a "great" one who never won at least one? nothing wrong with being a good coach though. hopefully that changes in the next couple years
...

marv levy, dan reeves, andy reid

The Fixer

pjhawks wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

i realize reid's career is not over. so i am judging him by what he's done up until this point. cowher was not considered great until he won it in '06. 12 years is a pretty good amount of time. i also said, in regard to reid being good not great--hopefully that changes in the next year or so. implying that hopefully we get over the hump and win one.

if you think buddy ryan was a great head coach. this conversation is over right now. do not bother posting in this thread ever again. i loved the guy and that team was amazing. but....i can't even believe you brought buddy ryan into this discussion.

the other guys though....good, not great. you can make an argument for levy simply for winning 4 afc championship games. i brought his name up earlier. you think schottenheimer and fischer are great coaches? good, maybe very good at times. i would not consider them great. this is good discussion though.

and the average or bad coach argument--see my above post to jp. that's not my point.

buddy ryan wow

lol i put Buddy in there to get a rise out of you and anyone else. I love Buddy, still my all time favorite coach. Football was never as fun as when Buddy was around. Agree not a great coach but still damn fun.

this is what's wrong with philadelphia. I don't know how anyone could think that losing was fun.

reid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryan

they're not even in the same ballpark. buddy ryan is wade phillips. seriously

Johnny Abruzzo

Jeags is right - the Buddy Ryan era was just ridiculously fun. Of course, those teams were maddening in that they would always blow a huge game at the end of the year (like losing to the crappy Saints on MNF in 1989) and would get stuck as a Wild Card, back when Wild Cards never won shit in the NFC.

The other problem with that team was that cheap motherf*cker Braman wouldn't pay anyone, so half the team would still be holding out halfway through the preseason games. So they were pretty much stuck starting 1-3 or, maybe, 2-2 every year.

I think Fixer is too stat-focused to just appreciate watching and enjoying a fun team, even if they don't necessarily deliver the goods.

Strange to think that the NFC used to be so good that the 1991 Eagles were one of TWO 10-6 teams to miss the playoffs. With just adequate QB'ing, that team could've "House of Pain"ed their way to a SB title.

Speaking of the House of Pain game, I guess we'll never see anything like that again. We'll always have the Astrodome.