the death penalty

gimmesometruth27 · July 2010

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chadwick · July 2010

ed243421 wrote:

no, not from there
i live in massachusetts
i lived in your part of the country for awhile in madison,wi
but it is breckenridge,co that i miss
gonna get back to that part of the country someday

the wm3 case happened some time ago
i remembered it when someone brought it up in this thread
unfortunatley
had to refresh my memory with this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Memphis_Three

i remember that.
i lived in iowa then.

what a horrible thing.
3 kids tortured and murdered.
that sucks.
i really have no words.

those 3 young men in prison are in one hell of a bind.
it sounds like they are innocent to me.

a very odd case.
this sucks and i feel bad.

one thing is for certain, our system is shit.
also, someone, somewhere, is cruel and could still be at large.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · July 2010

so very true.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

a few images for this thread.....

chadwick · July 2010

i think we need more hugs

TriumphantAngel · July 2010

ed243421 wrote:

hey chadwick
last night
as i lay drifting
off to sleep
ready to dream of
evil being destroyed

:?
yeah i did that all the time when i was little. who didn't dream of being leonardo, or luke skywalker. so badass.

now. not so much. i'm a big girl.

TriumphantAngel · July 2010

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

I'm sorry, but to call THIS poetic is somewhat deranged.

chadwick wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

hey chadwick
last night
as i lay drifting
off to sleep
ready to dream of
evil being destroyed
i wondered
are we too humane
in executing the monsters?
a preacher
a doctor
some family members present
sometimes only a needle
should they pay less than their victim(s)
or should it be equal?
take the west memphis 3 case
i assume the 3 they have in custody are innocent
a mistake made by the local law and media
and hopefully, soon to be solved
but some monster did that
3 young boys
abducted
hogtied
tortured and drowned
genitials of 1 removed
if only someone could have saved them
heard the screams
stopped this monster from
crawling back into society
and if they had
would he have been gently
put to sleep
with the slight prick of a needle
with family at his side
with a preacher hoping god will forgive him?
or should he have been shown the pain he created
should he have been
hogtied
tortured
and forced to watch his own genitials
being hacked off?
i awoke to the sounds of birds
and the smell of a fresh green nug

very poetic.
very nice.
i like this.

for some reason i enjoy the .357 mugnum.
it is quite loud and with a heavy crack to it.

you know. madness is a lot like gravity. sometimes, all it takes is a little…push.

ed243421 · July 2010

TriumphantAngel wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

hey chadwick
last night
as i lay drifting
off to sleep
ready to dream of
evil being destroyed

:?
yeah i did that all the time when i was little. who didn't dream of being leonardo, or luke skywalker. so badass.

now. not so much. i'm a big girl.

this is my opinion
why can't i have one in this forum
are we truly free
to think
to choose
i just wanted to see how the other side thinks
sees things
i have only stated my opinion
if that hurts you so much
to try to hurt me
i apologize
but i won't change direction

TriumphantAngel · July 2010

ed243421 wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

hey chadwick
last night
as i lay drifting
off to sleep
ready to dream of
evil being destroyed

:?
yeah i did that all the time when i was little. who didn't dream of being leonardo, or luke skywalker. so badass.

now. not so much. i'm a big girl.

this is my opinion
why can't i have one in this forum
are we truly free
to think
to choose
i just wanted to see how the other side thinks
sees things
i have only stated my opinion
if that hurts you so much
to try to hurt me
i apologize
but i won't change direction

of course you can have your opinion. what on earth are you talking about. i'm not trying to hurt you? that's silly talk. read back though my posts in this thead. i've been more than reasonable all the way through. i just wish we could debate the issue without all the extreme examples being used, (because the death penalty is not just handed out to those cases), and without certain people sounding so excited and graphically describing how they would like to seek revenge and murder people. i find that talk especially creepy. why can't it just be discussed rationally?

speaking about torture and displaying delight at watching someone get their genitals hacked off, is sick. in my opinion.

you know, there's nothing amusing or exciting about murder (including state sanctioned) under any circumstances.

ed243421 · July 2010

this is my opinion
why can't i have one in this forum
are we truly free
to think
to choose
i just wanted to see how the other side thinks
sees things
i have only stated my opinion
if that hurts you so much
to try to hurt me
i apologize
but i won't change direction[/quote]
of course you can have your opinion. what on earth are you talking about. i'm not trying to hurt you? that's silly talk. read back though my posts in this thead. i've been more than reasonable all the way through. i just wish we could debate the issue without all the extreme examples being used, (because the death penalty is not just handed out to those cases), and without certain people sounding so exited and graphically describing how they would like to seek revenge and murder people. i find that talk especially creepy. why can't it just be discussed rationally?

speaking about torture and displaying delight at watching someone get their genitals hacked off, is sick. in my opinion.

you know, there's nothing amusing or exciting about murder (including state sanctioned) under any circumstances.[/quote]

if believing that a murderer should receive the same circumstances they inflict
is what you call revenge
so be it
i believe
over time
it would make the world a safer place to live

as for the repaid torture
it would not be for delight
do you understand what these children were put through?
as you lay down and close your eyes tonight
try to see what they saw in their final minutes
seconds
at eight years old
put what words you need to in your responce to this
but
it is not about bringing them back
what the monster did prevents this
which is why these monsters
cannot stay here

TriumphantAngel · July 2010

ed243421 wrote:

if believing that a murderer should receive the same circumstances they inflict
is what you call revenge
so be it
i believe
over time
it would make the world a safer place to live

how does murdering someone, the same way they murdered another, make it a safer place to live. dead is dead, no matter how the final act is carried out.

ed243421 wrote:

as for the repaid torture
it would not be for delight
do you understand what these children were put through?
as you lay down and close your eyes tonight
try to see what they saw in their final minutes
seconds
at eight years old
put what words you need to in your responce to this
but
it is not about bringing them back
what the monster did prevents this
which is why these monsters
cannot stay here

see that's what you pro DP folk don't understand. i have lost someone who was infinitely precious to me at the hands of another, and i can tell you, i don't need to lay there at night an imagine what they went through. i'm already living every single day without them. it's hard enough as it is without torturing myself further. nothing will ever bring them back. the life of the person that killed my brother is not considered an equal trade for him, and never will be. some total stranger assuming that by sentencing the offender to death, things will automatically be squared up, has no clue. how about asking us what we want. there's a thought.

i am completely against state-sanctioned murder under any circumstances.

ed243421 · July 2010

TriumphantAngel wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

if believing that a murderer should receive the same circumstances they inflict
is what you call revenge
so be it
i believe
over time
it would make the world a safer place to live

how does murdering someone, the same way they murdered another, make it a safer place to live. dead is dead, no matter how the final act is carried out.

ed243421 wrote:

as for the repaid torture
it would not be for delight
do you understand what these children were put through?
as you lay down and close your eyes tonight
try to see what they saw in their final minutes
seconds
at eight years old
put what words you need to in your responce to this
but
it is not about bringing them back
what the monster did prevents this
which is why these monsters
cannot stay here

see that's what you pro DP folk don't understand. i have lost someone who was infinitely precious to me at the hands of another, and i can tell you, i don't need to lay there at night an imagine what they went through. i'm already living every single day without them. it's hard enough as it is without torturing myself further. nothing will ever bring them back. the life of the person that killed my brother is not considered an equal trade for him, and never will be. some total stranger assuming that by sentencing the offender to death, things will automatically be squared up, has no clue. how about asking us what we want. there's a thought.

i am completely against state-sanctioned murder under any circumstances.

"how about asking us what we want"

i am of the we
and we want murderers to die
simple
as simple as our disagreement
i can sleep tonight knowing i want evil to die
why do you want evil to live?

TriumphantAngel · July 2010

i'm pretty sure everyone who is against the death penalty has explained that already. including me. many times. you don't have to agree with our views, but if you don't get it after 70 pages of debate, i don't think you ever will.

chadwick · July 2010

TriumphantAngel wrote:

i'm pretty sure everyone who is against the death penalty has explained that already. including me. many times. you don't have to agree with our views, but if you don't get it after 70 pages of debate, i don't think you ever will.

and neither will you and the like.

TriumphantAngel · July 2010

you make it sound like the anti death penalty folks think murderers should not be held accountable for their actions, which of course is completely false. it's the method of their punishment that we disagree on.

how come neither of you have posted your views in here?

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=136923

Godfather. · July 2010

scb wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

doesn't anyone find it mildly ironic that a lot of the pro Dp people tend to be conservative, right wing, or religious and one of the commandments they are supposed to follow is "thou shalt not kill"??

good point "thou shalt not kill" but what should be the punishment when someone dose ?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38117847/ns ... nd_courts/

so now after all this time she wants out and feels she is ready to join society and not be a threat but her victims are still dead and their family's still miss them...yea but the killer has been reformed !!!! right ?
so now what..., all I'm saying is "who really knows"

Godfather.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer, so I'll ask again: What would Jesus do?

quit with the dumb ass questions would ya...if I knew that I knew that I wouldn't have keep reading your.... opinion......as I have said MANY times I DON'T KNOW !..both sides of this debate have good points.

Godfather.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · July 2010

I'll say it. I'm calling absolute bullshit on this, GF, because you KNOW what Jesus would do, and that's why you won't answer it. He would NEVER, EVER agree with the death penalty. I don't believe in God, but I believe Jesus was a real person, and his teachings were true, and he always turned his other cheek, and taught forgiveness for everything, not select actions. Don't you remember that lesson? It's only the most important one!

Godfather. wrote:

quit with the dumb ass questions would ya...if I knew that I knew that I wouldn't have keep reading your.... opinion......as I have said MANY times I DON'T KNOW !..both sides of this debate have good points.

Godfather.

Byrnzie · July 2010

TriumphantAngel wrote:

how come neither of you have posted your views in here?

http://community.pearljam.com/viewtopic ... 3&t=136923

Our murder is good. Their murder is bad.

Godfather. · July 2010

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

I'll say it. I'm calling absolute bullshit on this, GF, because you KNOW what Jesus would do, and that's why you won't answer it. He would NEVER, EVER agree with the death penalty. I don't believe in God, but I believe Jesus was a real person, and his teachings were true, and he always turned his other cheek, and taught forgiveness for everything, not select actions. Don't you remember that lesson? It's only the most important one!

Godfather. wrote:

quit with the dumb ass questions would ya...if I knew that I knew that I wouldn't have keep reading your.... opinion......as I have said MANY times I DON'T KNOW !..both sides of this debate have good points.

Godfather.

so your half in but still wise enough to call BS,interesting.
you say turn the other cheek and forgiveness is the most important lesson but you can't believe in the Father,
we all fall short of the greatness of God and teaching of Jesus,I can tell you that I honestly don't know and you can tell me that you do ?..we all have much to learn and your no different.

Godfather.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · July 2010

I'm not "half in", Godfather. I'm not in at all. Believing that a human being existed has no bearing on one's religious/spiritual beliefs, nor does being able to forgive have anything to do with me not believing in "the father". It's well-documented that most scholars, religious and non, believe Jesus was a real person, so that's not the issue.

What is the issue here, is you are saying is you honestly believe it's possible that Jesus would be pro death penalty, based on the good book that you follow?

your first statement implies that those that believe are wiser than those that don't. how ignorant and insulting.

Godfather. wrote:

so your half in but still wise enough to call BS,interesting.
you say turn the other cheek and forgiveness is the most important lesson but you can't believe in the Father,
we all fall short of the greatness of God and teaching of Jesus,I can tell you that I honestly don't know and you can tell me that you do ?..we all have much to learn and your no different.

Godfather.

Godfather. · July 2010

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

I'm not "half in", Godfather. I'm not in at all. Believing that a human being existed has no bearing on one's religious/spiritual beliefs, nor does being able to forgive have anything to do with me not believing in "the father". It's well-documented that most scholars, religious and non, believe Jesus was a real person, so that's not the issue.

What is the issue here, is you are saying is you honestly believe it's possible that Jesus would be pro death penalty, based on the good book that you follow?

your first statement implies that those that believe are wiser than those that don't. how ignorant and insulting.

Godfather. wrote:

so your half in but still wise enough to call BS,interesting.
you say turn the other cheek and forgiveness is the most important lesson but you can't believe in the Father,
we all fall short of the greatness of God and teaching of Jesus,I can tell you that I honestly don't know and you can tell me that you do ?..we all have much to learn and your no different.

Godfather.

ez Billy I never implied any such thing and I never said Jesus would agree or disagree to the death penalty,why are you assuming that I have,my words did not say that.I'll say it again "I don't know" both sides have a good argument, oh yea and I never said anybody was wiser then the next so there's no reason to be offended or insulted.

Godfather.

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