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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    i am completely against capital punishment. the death penalty is inhumane, sick and barbaric.

    state-sanctioned murder is murder too. it's that simple. how any country can murder their own citizens and still claim to be civilized is beyond me.
    they are monsters.
    as far as i'm concerned
    evil should die.

    simple shit.
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  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    if anyone is interested, there's a very good website out there that opposes the death penalty. they campaign on behalf of murder victims and their families.

    their aim is "to put real faces on victim opposition to the death penalty by presenting photos and statements from survivors throughout the United States and around the world, along with photos of the murder victim and links to further information."

    these a real people, real stories. absolutely heartbreaking. these people know what it's like to lose someone they loved very much, and they are completely against the death penalty.
some of them have witnessed the dealth penalty being carried out and they say that it gives them absolutely no peace at all. in fact it just creates more victims.

    http://www.mvfhr.org/victims-stories
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    polaris_x wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    scb
    i am with chadwick here
    i do not LOVE to hate murderers
    i Hate murderers
    once you decide to take a human life
    you SHOULD lose all rights to life
    why do you care about these monsters?
    they torture kids and kill them
    they rape grandparents and kill them
    they tie people up a cut off body parts
    where do you want these people?

    no one here LOVES murderers ... saying so is almost as ludicrous as saying prisons were like some 5-star hedonistic resort ...

    compassion for humanity is not strictly about individuals ... it is about people as a whole ... that compassion should be had for all, regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation and yes criminals ... you paint a picture of the world that is black and white when in reality it is not ...

    consider an army vet with ptsd ... he goes on a rampage in a school and kills a teacher and 3 kids ... is he really a monster? ... if so, who created him? ...

    using violence to address violence rarely has a positive outcome ... again, it is this mentality that has led us to wars, genocide, concentration camps and the like ...

    anyways - we're at that point where we are circling back to points made many pages ago ... it is just sad that people haven't listened ... i can appreciate someone who supports capital punishment however, i cannot appreciate someone who disagrees with an opposing viewpoint because of all the wrong reasons ...
    right on.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    you really have to think hard about it and wonder, the people against the death penalty who believe there is no excuse to kill but these people that kill do it with out any regard for human life and they must believe that it's o.k to take a life so ya gotta wonder is o.k to take from that person (the killer) what they have taken from someone else ? and whose responsibility is it to carry out this punishment in some country's the family of the victim is allowed to carry out the execution,I saw this on a video at a museum called the "museum of death"
    that use to be in down town San Diego and it was a lot less humane then a firing squad or lethal injection...
    in fact it looked to be slow and painful in a few cases.
    I can't see anybody being correct in this debate except for their own personal view on the subject.

    Godfather.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    Godfather. wrote:
    the family of the victim is allowed to carry out the execution,I saw this on a video at a museum called the "museum of death" that use to be in down town San Diego and it was a lot less humane then a firing squad or lethal injection...
    in fact it looked to be slow and painful in a few cases..
    ugh. you stay classy, san diego.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    ed243421 wrote:
    scb wrote:
    I must say, chadwick, that I find your dehumanization and subsequent rationalization of violence to be strikingly similar to the thought processes of the murderers you so love to hate.

    scb
    i am with chadwick here
    i do not LOVE to hate murderers
    i Hate murderers
    once you decide to take a human life
    you SHOULD lose all rights to life
    why do you care about these monsters?
    they torture kids and kill them
    they rape grandparents and kill them
    they tie people up a cut off body parts
    where do you want these people?

    exactly...
    why does she care about these monsters?
    good question.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    the family of the victim is allowed to carry out the execution,I saw this on a video at a museum called the "museum of death" that use to be in down town San Diego and it was a lot less humane then a firing squad or lethal injection...
    in fact it looked to be slow and painful in a few cases..
    ugh. you stay classy, san diego.

    actually that museum moved to L.A a few years ago, Hollywood area I think.

    Godfather.
  • eyedclaar
    eyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    Be like me and remove the whole morality clause surrounding taking a life from the equation. Some folks are like rabid dogs. Does it really matter what bit them, or is it the end-result monster we need to worry about? Some people's lives take them down a truly unfortunate path from an early age and maybe they aren't to blame for their fucked up mental states or the harm they cause, but that doesn't erase the damage done or prevent them from doing it again. The rabid dogs should be removed from society forever. Nobody gives a bear a second chance. We as a society also need to focus on not creating so many rabid dogs in the first place, you know - find a cure rather than a lynch mob and then we won't have to shoot those poor foaming-mouth bastards so often.

    In other words, you dumb mother fucking humans stop having babies you can't raise to be healthy, kind, productive members of this entire planet and various eco-systems. If you do that, I'll stop trying to kill everyone. :twisted:

    I'm also a firm believer in frontier justice. If someone hurts a person I love, I don't need a court or anyone else to make sure "justice" is served. If it is important to me, I'll take care of it myself. I don't want some unbiased observer flipping a switch when I am perfectly capable of pulling a trigger.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    eyedclaar wrote:
    Be like me and remove the whole morality clause surrounding taking a life from the equation. Some folks are like rabid dogs. Does it really matter what bit them, or is it the end-result monster we need to worry about? Some people's lives take them down a truly unfortunate path from an early age and maybe they aren't to blame for their fucked up mental states or the harm they cause, but that doesn't erase the damage done or prevent them from doing it again. The rabid dogs should be removed from society forever. Nobody gives a bear a second chance. We as a society also need to focus on not creating so many rabid dogs in the first place, you know - find a cure rather than a lynch mob and then we won't have to shoot those poor foaming-mouth bastards so often.

    In other words, you dumb mother fucking humans stop having babies you can't raise to be healthy, kind, productive members of this entire planet and various eco-systems. If you do that, I'll stop trying to kill everyone. :twisted:

    I'm also a firm believer in frontier justice. If someone hurts a person I love, I don't need a court or anyone else to make sure "justice" is served. If it is important to me, I'll take care of it myself. I don't want some unbiased observer flipping a switch when I am perfectly capable of pulling a trigger.

    very outstanding...
    frontier justice.
    incredible.
    i applaud your beliefs.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,730
    eyedclaar wrote:
    Be like me and remove the whole morality clause surrounding taking a life from the equation. Some folks are like rabid dogs. Does it really matter what bit them, or is it the end-result monster we need to worry about? Some people's lives take them down a truly unfortunate path from an early age and maybe they aren't to blame for their fucked up mental states or the harm they cause, but that doesn't erase the damage done or prevent them from doing it again. The rabid dogs should be removed from society forever. Nobody gives a bear a second chance. We as a society also need to focus on not creating so many rabid dogs in the first place, you know - find a cure rather than a lynch mob and then we won't have to shoot those poor foaming-mouth bastards so often.

    In other words, you dumb mother fucking humans stop having babies you can't raise to be healthy, kind, productive members of this entire planet and various eco-systems. If you do that, I'll stop trying to kill everyone. :twisted:

    I'm also a firm believer in frontier justice. If someone hurts a person I love, I don't need a court or anyone else to make sure "justice" is served. If it is important to me, I'll take care of it myself. I don't want some unbiased observer flipping a switch when I am perfectly capable of pulling a trigger.

    great point
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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    ed243421 wrote:
    why do you care about these monsters?

    I care about everyone. I think it's part of our humanity and "our species ultimate goal," to quote another thread. I think to dehumanize others is to dehumanize ourselves - so there's a selfish reason for you if you need one.
    ed243421 wrote:
    where do you want these people?

    In prison.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    chadwick wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    scb wrote:
    I must say, chadwick, that I find your dehumanization and subsequent rationalization of violence to be strikingly similar to the thought processes of the murderers you so love to hate.

    scb
    i am with chadwick here
    i do not LOVE to hate murderers
    i Hate murderers
    once you decide to take a human life
    you SHOULD lose all rights to life
    why do you care about these monsters?
    they torture kids and kill them
    they rape grandparents and kill them
    they tie people up a cut off body parts
    where do you want these people?

    i try to be a decent person.
    offing a raving maniac should be entertainment.
    we should sell popcorn and sodas at these fucking events where we run them down with trains    .
    :lol:

    i know i'd feel like a million bucks.

    Ed - This is the attitude I'm particularly referring to (whether he thinks he really means it or he's just trying to be cool/tough). Is this what you're referring to when you say you're with chadwick?
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,314
    scb wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    why do you care about these monsters?

    I care about everyone. I think it's part of our humanity and "our species ultimate goal," to quote another thread. I think to dehumanize others is to dehumanize ourselves - so there's a selfish reason for you if you need one.
    everyone except for . . . well, I guess I should divert this comment for another thread. ;)
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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Godfather. wrote:
    you really have to think hard about it and wonder, the people against the death penalty who believe there is no excuse to kill but these people that kill do it with out any regard for human life and they must believe that it's o.k to take a life so ya gotta wonder is o.k to take from that person (the killer) what they have taken from someone else ? and whose responsibility is it to carry out this punishment in some country's the family of the victim is allowed to carry out the execution,I saw this on a video at a museum called the "museum of death"
    that use to be in down town San Diego and it was a lot less humane then a firing squad or lethal injection...
    in fact it looked to be slow and painful in a few cases.
    I can't see anybody being correct in this debate except for their own personal view on the subject.

    Godfather.

    Just because criminals think it's okay does not mean that we then have to think it's okay.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Jason P wrote:
    scb wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    why do you care about these monsters?

    I care about everyone. I think it's part of our humanity and "our species ultimate goal," to quote another thread. I think to dehumanize others is to dehumanize ourselves - so there's a selfish reason for you if you need one.
    everyone except for . . . well, I guess I should divert this comment for another thread. ;)

    Everyone period. And I'll be happy to have this conversation with you in the other thread.
  • _
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    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =17&f=1001

    Death Row Inmate Gets Chance To Prove Innocence
    by Kathy Lohr

    - June 23, 2010

    A man convicted of murder nearly two decades ago will get a chance to present his claim of innocence in a federal court Wednesday.

    Troy Anthony Davis was convicted in 1991 of murdering a Savannah, Ga., police officer. Nine witnesses to the shooting, which took place late at night in a fast-food restaurant parking lot, pointed to Davis as the killer.


    Davis received the death penalty, but several years later, his lawyers say, seven of the witnesses recanted or changed their testimony.

    Since then, Davis has tried to get a court to listen to them. Three times, his execution was stopped. Now a federal judge in Savannah will finally hear their testimony.

    "From the moment Mr. Davis surrendered himself, he's proclaimed his innocence and never wavered from that," Jason Ewart, one of Davis' attorneys, says.

    Ewart says for the first time in nearly 50 years, the U.S. Supreme Court took a case filed directly to it and ordered a lower court to hear new evidence. Unlike in a criminal trial, the burden of proof falls on Davis to show he is innocent.

    But one of the big questions is, what is the standard of proof? Ewart says the defense will not have to prove Davis is innocent beyond a reasonable doubt, just that "more likely than not" he's innocent.

    The case has drawn widespread attention. Amnesty International started a petition drive protesting Davis' execution several years ago. Former President Jimmy Carter and Pope Benedict XVI are among those who've written letters on behalf of Davis.

    Laura Moye, director of Amnesty's Death Penalty Abolition Campaign, says it will be an incredibly uphill battle for Davis to "clearly establish his innocence."

    But, she says, there are too many unanswered questions to go forward with his execution. There is no DNA evidence and no weapon was ever found.

    "With a life sentence you can always open the door if there is a question of innocence," she says. "With the death penalty, if you get it wrong, how can the state ever give that human life back?"

    Neither the Georgia attorney general's office, representing the state in federal court, nor the retired Savannah prosecutor would comment.

    J. Tom Morgan, former district attorney in Atlanta, says it's difficult to reverse a conviction based on statements from recanted witnesses and that's for good reason.

    "Did seven people lie under oath the first go around? And what was their motivation for lying back then?" he asks. "And what is their motivation now for coming forward and changing their story?"

    Even though the DA at the time had a solid case, Morgan says, questions raised now about the possibility of executing an innocent man could be put to rest easily if the Georgia Parole Board would commute the sentence to life without parole.

    "Life without the possibility of parole is a death sentence," he says. "It just takes a little longer and the state is not the one responsible for pulling the plug."

    There was a great deal of pressure two decades ago for Savannah police to find a suspect in the murder of officer Mark MacPhail. People who oppose the death penalty say this case demonstrates that prosecutors, eyewitnesses and courts can sometimes get it wrong.

    But those who favor the death penalty say this is exactly the kind of crime that cries out for it. They say just because a court is hearing Davis' claim of innocence doesn't mean his conviction will be overturned. [Copyright 2010 National Public Radio]

    ............

    Saw this story this morning and thought it was relevant. Thoughts?
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,314
    scb wrote:
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128017555&sc=17&f=1001

    Death Row Inmate Gets Chance To Prove Innocence
    by Kathy Lohr

    - June 23, 2010

    ............

    Saw this story this morning and thought it was relevant. Thoughts?
    I say let him prove his innocence or sit in the cell for the rest of his life. It's been 20 years. Let him sit for another 50 unless he can prove his innocence.

    But I feel he should only get the basic necessities. No TV, no radio. Just food, bed, and a toilet.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,838
    scb wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    why do you care about these monsters?

    I care about everyone. I think it's part of our humanity and "our species ultimate goal," to quote another thread. I think to dehumanize others is to dehumanize ourselves - so there's a selfish reason for you if you need one.
    ed243421 wrote:
    where do you want these people?

    In prison.

    So, you are ok with putting prison guards and other prisoners at risk from some seriously violent people?
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  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,730
    Ed - This is the attitude I'm particularly referring to (whether he thinks he really means it or he's just trying to be cool/tough). Is this what you're referring to when you say you're with chadwick?[/quote]

    scb
    that is how chadwick expresses his anger towards murderers
    i understand that

    he is a much better person than any murderer
    don't you agree?
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    cincybearcat wrote:
    So, you are ok with putting prison guards and other prisoners at risk from some seriously violent people?

    this makes no sense ... why do people constantly infer something that isn't there?

    the efficiency and standards of a prison system are a separate issue altogether and have absolutely nothing to do with the reasons why many of us are against capital punishment ...
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