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  • Brock Samson
    Brock Samson Posts: 328
    he still stands wrote:
    moe.ron wrote:
    some fuckwad in the next county over shot and killed a 3 month old baby in front of state police yesterday. perfect candidate for execution.

    I'm against the death penalty... but I might be able to overlook this guy's execution.

    there's really no way for him to wriggle out of it...if he survives the gunshots he suffered from the police after he started firing on them. first, he said if the cops respond the the 911 call, he'll shoot his kid...that's pre-meditated murder, not a spur of the moment thing. second, he did it in front of the police...no dna evidence is needed, here.

    personally, i really wish they had dropped him out of the helicopter when they were flying him to the hospital. oops, he slipped out.
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  • Jason P
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    I've always been in support of the death penalty but I may be softening a little. For one thing, it seems like it takes 20 years of appeals before an execution, therefore the taxpayer is still burdened. And then there is an issue over someone getting framed for a crime they did not commit . . . which is probably more hard to do these days but is still possible. And that leaves us with revenge. I don't have a problem with revenge.

    But I don't think that it detours violent crime. I don't think many killers put together a pro/con list and the threat of the death penalty ends up stopping them.
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  • Brock Samson
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    Jason P wrote:
    I've always been in support of the death penalty but I may be softening a little. For one thing, it seems like it takes 20 years of appeals before an execution, therefore the taxpayer is still burdened. And then there is an issue over someone getting framed for a crime they did not commit . . . which is probably more hard to do these days but is still possible. And that leaves us with revenge. I don't have a problem with revenge.

    But I don't think that it detours violent crime. I don't think many killers put together a pro/con list and the threat of the death penalty ends up stopping them.

    that's tough, though. you can say that 100% of the people that have killed and knew beforehand that they could face the death penalty if caught, that knowledge didn't stop them. but how honest would people be to say "oh yeah, i wanted to murder someone, but didn't because i was afraid that if i got caught, i'd be put to death." you can't put a number on that, nobody is going to pony up to those kinds of thoughts running through their head.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    moe.ron wrote:
    that's tough, though. you can say that 100% of the people that have killed and knew beforehand that they could face the death penalty if caught, that knowledge didn't stop them. but how honest would people be to say "oh yeah, i wanted to murder someone, but didn't because i was afraid that if i got caught, i'd be put to death." you can't put a number on that, nobody is going to pony up to those kinds of thoughts running through their head.

    the good thing is you don't need to ... all one has to look at are homicide rates in places where there is the death penalty vs. places where there isn't one ... you will see no effect to support the theory that capital punishment is a deterrent ...
  • Brock Samson
    Brock Samson Posts: 328
    polaris_x wrote:
    moe.ron wrote:
    that's tough, though. you can say that 100% of the people that have killed and knew beforehand that they could face the death penalty if caught, that knowledge didn't stop them. but how honest would people be to say "oh yeah, i wanted to murder someone, but didn't because i was afraid that if i got caught, i'd be put to death." you can't put a number on that, nobody is going to pony up to those kinds of thoughts running through their head.

    the good thing is you don't need to ... all one has to look at are homicide rates in places where there is the death penalty vs. places where there isn't one ... you will see no effect to support the theory that capital punishment is a deterrent ...

    yeah, good point. but i still think my statement holds water.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    moe.ron wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    moe.ron wrote:
    some fuckwad in the next county over shot and killed a 3 month old baby in front of state police yesterday. perfect candidate for execution.
    where was this?
    and yes, string the fucker up.
    maybe we can run his face over with a bulldozer?

    oneida county, ny. let me see if i can find the story...

    http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/troopers_say_there_was_no_nego.html

    that story made me sad. I hope the fucker dies. Or lives and has his bearings about him so he remembers every goddamn day what he did to his defenseless son.

    But what I DON'T hope for, is for other humans to decide that he needs to die.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Jason P wrote:
    I've always been in support of the death penalty but I may be softening a little. For one thing, it seems like it takes 20 years of appeals before an execution, therefore the taxpayer is still burdened. And then there is an issue over someone getting framed for a crime they did not commit . . . which is probably more hard to do these days but is still possible. And that leaves us with revenge. I don't have a problem with revenge.

    But I don't think that it detours violent crime. I don't think many killers put together a pro/con list and the threat of the death penalty ends up stopping them.
    ...
    In most states, Death Penalty sentences automatically trigger the appeals process... a process that can be argued all the way up to the Supreme Court. That is a lengthy process that costs taxpayers a lot of money (not including the costs of the incarceration awaiting appeals).
    And there is always those exceptions...
    Let me premise, I rarely source Wikipedia, but in this case, I haven't found an unbiased source regarding this case. It is the case of Cameron Todd Willingham, falsely executed in Texas for the arson fire that killed his 3 daughters.
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  • JR8805
    JR8805 Posts: 169
    ed243421 wrote:
    some guy in massachusetts just murdered his wife, mother-in-law, and 2 kids.
    obviously, some will say he should die (no death penalty in mass)
    and some will say he should live

    i'd like to hear from the people who "truthfully" think this guy has a "right to life"

    i understand i live in a state with no death penalty
    and this is just hypothetical

    I don't know if the guy has a right to life, but I do know that I have a right not to be forced to pay for an assassination. I want people like this locked up for life so that they can't hurt others, but I have no real desire to help finance a state-approved hit man to take someone's life. Killing a person is killing a person in my book. It doesn't matter whether I pay Joe the Schmoe on the corner to kill someone (I've paid for a hit) or pay my taxes and have them used to have someone kill Joe the Schmoe (I've paid for a hit.) It's the same thing. I'm not really into the get a killer-for-hire thing on any level.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    he still stands wrote:
    moe.ron wrote:
    some fuckwad in the next county over shot and killed a 3 month old baby in front of state police yesterday. perfect candidate for execution.

    I'm against the death penalty... but I might be able to overlook this guy's execution.
    slowly you are becoming my hero.
    and you didn't even know it.

    keep up the amazing work.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    moe.ron wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    I've always been in support of the death penalty but I may be softening a little. For one thing, it seems like it takes 20 years of appeals before an execution, therefore the taxpayer is still burdened. And then there is an issue over someone getting framed for a crime they did not commit . . . which is probably more hard to do these days but is still possible. And that leaves us with revenge. I don't have a problem with revenge.

    But I don't think that it detours violent crime. I don't think many killers put together a pro/con list and the threat of the death penalty ends up stopping them.

    that's tough, though. you can say that 100% of the people that have killed and knew beforehand that they could face the death penalty if caught, that knowledge didn't stop them. but how honest would people be to say "oh yeah, i wanted to murder someone, but didn't because i was afraid that if i got caught, i'd be put to death." you can't put a number on that, nobody is going to pony up to those kinds of thoughts running through their head.

    uselessness does not reason in its skull.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    JR8805 wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    some guy in massachusetts just murdered his wife, mother-in-law, and 2 kids.
    obviously, some will say he should die (no death penalty in mass)
    and some will say he should live

    i'd like to hear from the people who "truthfully" think this guy has a "right to life"

    i understand i live in a state with no death penalty
    and this is just hypothetical

    I don't know if the guy has a right to life, but I do know that I have a right not to be forced to pay for an assassination. I want people like this locked up for life so that they can't hurt others, but I have no real desire to help finance a state-approved hit man to take someone's life. Killing a person is killing a person in my book. It doesn't matter whether I pay Joe the Schmoe on the corner to kill someone (I've paid for a hit) or pay my taxes and have them used to have someone kill Joe the Schmoe (I've paid for a hit.) It's the same thing. I'm not really into the get a killer-for-hire thing on any level.

    fuck i'd do it for free.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    moe.ron wrote:
    oneida county, ny. let me see if i can find the story...

    http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/troopers_say_there_was_no_nego.html
    that is insane
    i am sad
    holy shit
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    :lol: as serious as this topic is, that just made me fucking laugh out loud.
    chadwick wrote:
    maybe we can run his face over with a bulldozer?
    of course it did.
    btw, it's true.
    and i been to heavy equipment school back in the day.
    oddly enough, i can fire up and move an earth mover :mrgreen:


    in this case
    a face & skull mover.

    this tragic event makes me sad.
    very much a nightmare.
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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    I must say, chadwick, that I find your dehumanization and subsequent rationalization of violence to be strikingly similar to the thought processes of the murderers you so love to hate.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    scb wrote:
    I must say, chadwick, that I find your dehumanization and subsequent rationalization of violence to be strikingly similar to the thought processes of the murderers you so love to hate.
    burp/poop.
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  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,730
    scb wrote:
    I must say, chadwick, that I find your dehumanization and subsequent rationalization of violence to be strikingly similar to the thought processes of the murderers you so love to hate.

    scb
    i am with chadwick here
    i do not LOVE to hate murderers
    i Hate murderers
    once you decide to take a human life
    you SHOULD lose all rights to life
    why do you care about these monsters?
    they torture kids and kill them
    they rape grandparents and kill them
    they tie people up a cut off body parts
    where do you want these people?
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    ed243421 wrote:
    scb wrote:
    I must say, chadwick, that I find your dehumanization and subsequent rationalization of violence to be strikingly similar to the thought processes of the murderers you so love to hate.

    scb
    i am with chadwick here
    i do not LOVE to hate murderers
    i Hate murderers
    once you decide to take a human life
    you SHOULD lose all rights to life
    why do you care about these monsters?
    they torture kids and kill them
    they rape grandparents and kill them
    they tie people up a cut off body parts
    where do you want these people?

    i try to be a decent person.
    offing a raving maniac should be entertainment.
    we should sell popcorn and sodas at these fucking events where we run them down with trains.
    :lol:

    i know i'd feel like a million bucks.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    ed243421 wrote:
    scb
    i am with chadwick here
    i do not LOVE to hate murderers
    i Hate murderers
    once you decide to take a human life
    you SHOULD lose all rights to life
    why do you care about these monsters?
    they torture kids and kill them
    they rape grandparents and kill them
    they tie people up a cut off body parts
    where do you want these people?

    no one here LOVES murderers ... saying so is almost as ludicrous as saying prisons were like some 5-star hedonistic resort ...

    compassion for humanity is not strictly about individuals ... it is about people as a whole ... that compassion should be had for all, regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation and yes criminals ... you paint a picture of the world that is black and white when in reality it is not ...

    consider an army vet with ptsd ... he goes on a rampage in a school and kills a teacher and 3 kids ... is he really a monster? ... if so, who created him? ...

    using violence to address violence rarely has a positive outcome ... again, it is this mentality that has led us to wars, genocide, concentration camps and the like ...

    anyways - we're at that point where we are circling back to points made many pages ago ... it is just sad that people haven't listened ... i can appreciate someone who supports capital punishment however, i cannot appreciate someone who disagrees with an opposing viewpoint because of all the wrong reasons ...
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    some of you people are out of your bloody tree
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  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    i am completely against capital punishment. the death penalty is inhumane, sick and barbaric.

    state-sanctioned murder is murder too. it's that simple. how any country can murder their own citizens and still claim to be civilized is beyond me.
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