Dedicated to Arizona Lawmakers

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edited May 2010 in A Moving Train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLni3wbndls


Hope you catch all those "Messzzzicans"!!!!!



***If you compete with "illegal aliens" for jobs....You're a loser

Now I'm done
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    "Turk-a-durg!"
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  • dasvidanadasvidana Grand Junction CO Posts: 1,356
    I can't believe AZ has done this..... I hope the courts step in and make it illegal.
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  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Instead of running the risk of racial profiling they should just tat their foreheads with the flag from each individuals country of origin ;)
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,347
    stickfig13 wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLni3wbndls


    Hope you catch all those "Messzzzicans"!!!!!



    ***If you compete with "illegal aliens" for jobs....You're a loser

    Now I'm done
    LOL, one of my favorite episodes....

    dey turk er jerrs..

    arizona is definitely taking a hard right turn on this issue...
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    "Let me see your papers"


    what a fucking joke of a provision...
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  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    "Let me see your papers"


    what a fucking joke of a provision...

    I read somewhere that the officers (Some of them of Mexican decent themselves) will be undergoing "Racial Profiling Training". I find this to be a little ironic.
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    stickfig13 wrote:
    "Let me see your papers"


    what a fucking joke of a provision...

    I read somewhere that the officers (Some of them of Mexican decent themselves) will be undergoing "Racial Profiling Training". I find this to be a little ironic.


    Next, small towns will be raising taxes across the state, because their police budgets are through the roof with legal costs from defending their police departments from the numerous lawsuits.
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Lawsuits from who? Illegal aliens? On what grounds?

    Arizona is doing the right thing, these people are breaking the law.

    Funny how Obama is instructing the Justice Dept to see if the bill is legal but has no problem signing one into law that will jail people who refuse to pay for their healthcare. Whose side is he really on? I'm guessing he doesn't care about offending citizens as much as these illegals, much like his attitude towards Christians and Muslims.
  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    unsung wrote:
    Lawsuits from who? Illegal aliens? On what grounds?

    Arizona is doing the right thing, these people are breaking the law.

    Funny how Obama is instructing the Justice Dept to see if the bill is legal but has no problem signing one into law that will jail people who refuse to pay for their healthcare. Whose side is he really on? I'm guessing he doesn't care about offending citizens as much as these illegals, much like his attitude towards Christians and Muslims.

    I think we can agree that illegal immigration is an issue that needs attention, but allowing police to randomly questions people about their citizenship does nothing to address the real reasons these people live illegally.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,347
    stickfig13 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Lawsuits from who? Illegal aliens? On what grounds?

    Arizona is doing the right thing, these people are breaking the law.

    Funny how Obama is instructing the Justice Dept to see if the bill is legal but has no problem signing one into law that will jail people who refuse to pay for their healthcare. Whose side is he really on? I'm guessing he doesn't care about offending citizens as much as these illegals, much like his attitude towards Christians and Muslims.

    I think we can agree that illegal immigration is an issue that needs attention, but allowing police to randomly questions people about their citizenship does nothing to address the real reasons these people live illegally.
    no unsung, lawsuits from the us citizens that look of latin descent that will no doubt be enduring profiling. i think this law not only encourages harrassment by police, but encourages it. this law must be a wetdream come true for the anti-immigrant people like unsung.

    can we stop it with the inferiority complex from the christians and muslims and those against health insurance reform please?
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  • KDH12KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    this is really sad

    I feel it sets us back 100 years where we judge people based on how they look

    next they will stop Arabs for looking like terrorists, blacks for looking like gang bangers and hippies for looking like drug users..... oh wait we already do that
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    no unsung, lawsuits from the us citizens that look of latin descent that will no doubt be enduring profiling. i think this law not only encourages harrassment by police, but encourages it. this law must be a wetdream come true for the anti-immigrant people like unsung.

    can we stop it with the inferiority complex from the christians and muslims and those against health insurance reform please?


    Well I'm glad you cleared that up. First you speak to me directly, then as if I'm in the other room. Then not only does it encourage it but it encourages it. I'm confused.

    Ok for the LAST time, see if you can get this to compute. I'm FOR LEGAL controlled immigration for people who obey the law. I'm AGAINST ILLEGAL immigration for those that choose to break the law. Do you understand the difference between legal and illegal?
  • dasvidanadasvidana Grand Junction CO Posts: 1,356
    The problem is that this isn't about whether or not someone is here legally or not. It's about stopping someone based on what they look like. Basically if they look like a Mexican, they can be stopped and questioned. This is yet another chapter of racism in our country.
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  • So what should they do then. It's easy for all of you to criticize the Arizona govenor for signing this bill,but What if it was your state that was in a state of emergency. What if you lived on the southern boarder that was being controlled by Mexican drug lords ? If the Federal Gov ware doing their damn job(protecting it's citizens ) and not worried about votes we wouldn't be having this problem.


    We’ve had numerous officers that have been killed by illegal immigrants in Arizona,” Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu said Monday at a Capitol Hill news conference. “And that shouldn’t happen one time.”

    Babeu said the violence in Arizona has reached “epidemic proportions” and must be stopped. “In just one patrol area, we’ve had 64 pursuits — failure to yield for an officer — in one month,” Babeu said. “That’s out of control.”
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Arizona has the balls to do what needs to be done. :thumbup:
    California needs to get a clue.


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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    prfctlefts wrote:
    So what should they do then. It's easy for all of you to criticize the Arizona govenor for signing this bill,but What if it was your state that was in a state of emergency. What if you lived on the southern boarder that was being controlled by Mexican drug lords ? If the Federal Gov ware doing their damn job(protecting it's citizens ) and not worried about votes we wouldn't be having this problem.

    But how does randomly stopping mexican looking people solve anything... just imagine you are of mexican decent and run to pick up your kid at school (without your wallet). You happen to run into a bad cop who decides to question your citizenship... you don't have your wallet so you can't prove anything and he decides to detain you on his "suspicion"... how would you feel about that? Your kid is stranded in front of school while you are at the police station trying to justify that you are every bit of a citizen as the cop who brought you there.

    Look, if someone is arrested for a crime and they are found to be here illegally, do what ever you can... deport them, add additional charges, whatever works the best, but allowing cops to harass random hispanic people is nothing more than two wrongs trying to make a right.
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  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    All the government has to do to get rid of illegal immigration is enforce the laws against the companies that hire illegals. If there is no work they will not come. But of course the cheap labor would disappear and business owners couldnt have that, could they.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    prfctlefts wrote:
    So what should they do then. It's easy for all of you to criticize the Arizona govenor for signing this bill,but What if it was your state that was in a state of emergency. What if you lived on the southern boarder that was being controlled by Mexican drug lords ? If the Federal Gov ware doing their damn job(protecting it's citizens ) and not worried about votes we wouldn't be having this problem.

    But how does randomly stopping mexican looking people solve anything... just imagine you are of mexican decent and run to pick up your kid at school (without your wallet). You happen to run into a bad cop who decides to question your citizenship... you don't have your wallet so you can't prove anything and he decides to detain you on his "suspicion"... how would you feel about that? Your kid is stranded in front of school while you are at the police station trying to justify that you are every bit of a citizen as the cop who brought you there.

    Look, if someone is arrested for a crime and they are found to be here illegally, do what ever you can... deport them, add additional charges, whatever works the best, but allowing cops to harass random hispanic people is nothing more than two wrongs trying to make a right.

    bullshit on the profiling non-sense we all get profiled... everybody!, I got pulled over on my bike and cop sez "when did you get out" and made me take my bike apart ( covers etc) and my thought was BFD !!!
    HE WAS JUST DOING HIS JOB, if you have nothing to hide then your good right ? profiling is NOT a racist thing
    racism is used as a crutch in this country because soon as somebody sez racism all these soft hearted whiners
    grab a friggin protest sine and stir up a bunch of unnecessary shit.......my rant is over :o

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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    All the government has to do to get rid of illegal immigration is enforce the laws against the companies that hire illegals. If there is no work they will not come. But of course the cheap labor would disappear and business owners couldnt have that, could they.
    Agreed. Fine every business that hires illegals heavily. Make it so they don't. I'd be down for even jailing companies that knowingly hire illegals.
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    unsung wrote:
    Do you understand the difference between legal and illegal?

    Paperwork.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    prfctlefts wrote:
    So what should they do then. It's easy for all of you to criticize the Arizona govenor for signing this bill,but What if it was your state that was in a state of emergency. What if you lived on the southern boarder that was being controlled by Mexican drug lords ? If the Federal Gov ware doing their damn job(protecting it's citizens ) and not worried about votes we wouldn't be having this problem.

    I live on the southern border and we're not even considering enacting such a law.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    Godfather. wrote:
    bullshit on the profiling non-sense we all get profiled... everybody!

    I beg to differ. I live on the southern border and have blonde hair and blue eyes and I NEVER get profiled in this way. Never. I go back and forth through the border patrol station all the time and they don't even make me come to a complete stop.

    When I was with my ex-boyfriend who was a natural born American citizen who was half Hispanic, however, we were stopped and questioned every time. He would even pull over just before the border patrol station (which was about 60 miles into the U.S., so we hadn't even been out of the country) to change his shirt if he were wearing anything like an image of the Virgin Mary or some such thing, just to limit his harassment. We were on a trolley coming back across the Mexican border once and he was singled out to be pulled off and interrogated - and they kept questioning him despite him having a U.S. driver's license and speaking perfect English.

    Again, this sort of thing never happens to me or my family.
  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    scb wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Do you understand the difference between legal and illegal?

    Paperwork.

    Bullshit. How about waiting in line like the people who do it legally? They waited and now are citizens the way our laws are written.
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    scb wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Do you understand the difference between legal and illegal?

    Paperwork.


    True. But it is what the law requires.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    scb wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Do you understand the difference between legal and illegal?

    Paperwork.

    Bullshit. How about waiting in line like the people who do it legally? They waited and now are citizens the way our laws are written.

    What other difference is there between two human beings - one who has immigrated here legally and one who has done so illegally - than that the latter has not completed the proper paperwork?
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    unsung wrote:
    scb wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Do you understand the difference between legal and illegal?

    Paperwork.


    True. But it is what the law requires.

    I'd like us to consider other situations in which the law requires us to complete paperwork, and how we feel about and what penalties we impose upon people who haven't completed the paperwork in these situations.

    What about people who fish without completing the proper paperwork for a fishing license? Should they be arrested and treated like hardened criminals? Do you - or others in the country - feel the same contempt for them that you express for undocumented immigrants?

    Ooh, here's another one... what about people in the coming years who fail to get the required health insurance? Should we enact laws to allow them and people who look like them to be harassed? Should they be viewed as lesser human beings? Should they be turned away from hospitals when they're in labor? Should their children be denied public education? Should we go to their workplaces and round them all up like animals?
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    We are citizens of this country, they are not.

    The ironic thing is look at Mexico's immigration laws and how they treat Central Americans. Then they have the audacity to protest our lax laws. They have some of the most strict immigration laws in the world.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    unsung wrote:
    We are citizens of this country, they are not.

    So? We're talking about breaking the law by failing to file some paperwork. It's the same type of crime for all three scenarios. Why do we have such vastly different ideas about non-Americans vs. Americans who commit the same type of crime? Because it's not really just about breaking the law; it's really about xenophobia.

    We act like just because we happen to be citizens of this country we are better than those who are not and we have a right to treat them like shit, as if they are bad people who are not deserving of our respect, when really the only difference between us and them is location of birth and/or paperwork.

    Really, we are only citizens of this country because our ancestors immigrated here illegally and took this land by force from the ancestors of the people we now say don't belong here. What's that saying? "We didn't cross the border; the border crossed us."

    Regardless, this new law encourages the harassment not of illegal immigrants or non-citizens, but of anyone - including legal American citizens - of Hispanic descent. Again, that's about racism and xenophobia, not about upholding the law.

    Edit to add: I really don't understand how so many of the same people who are supposedly fighting against the government taking away our freedoms/rights can actually support a law that so blatantly allows the government to take away our freedoms/rights - the rights of American CITIZENS! I guess it's okay to take away Americans' rights when the Americans don't look like you think they should.

    So now let me see if I can get this straight: Laws which help (by providing healthcare) American citizens who don't look like me are a violation of American freedoms, but laws which hurt (by encouraging harassment of) American citizens who don't look like me are not a violation of American freedoms and are to be supported. :? Again, it seems to me like some groups in this country don't really support Americans at all, as they claim they do, but really only support Americans who are like them.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    scb wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    bullshit on the profiling non-sense we all get profiled... everybody!

    I beg to differ. I live on the southern border and have blonde hair and blue eyes and I NEVER get profiled in this way. Never. I go back and forth through the border patrol station all the time and they don't even make me come to a complete stop.

    When I was with my ex-boyfriend who was a natural born American citizen who was half Hispanic, however, we were stopped and questioned every time. He would even pull over just before the border patrol station (which was about 60 miles into the U.S., so we hadn't even been out of the country) to change his shirt if he were wearing anything like an image of the Virgin Mary or some such thing, just to limit his harassment. We were on a trolley coming back across the Mexican border once and he was singled out to be pulled off and interrogated - and they kept questioning him despite him having a U.S. driver's license and speaking perfect English.

    Again, this sort of thing never happens to me or my family.
    have you ever been pulled over by the police ? went through a airport security check ?...you've been profiled trust me.
    profiling for different areas people places and things , blond hair and blue eyes dose not a hispanic make..
    but your friend who looks to be hispanic will be profiled and depending on what they're looking for at the time
    you may have been profiled and not even known it, they didn't let you pass and not notice your blond and blue
    hence you have been profiled.
    there is more to profiling than skin color there is a list of thing they watch like body movement , facial expressions ,clothing, what your driving and dose it fit in the area your traveling through so if your in a border area and your hispanic well then you can count on being profiled and or stopped,believe it or not they catch a lot of bad guys this way,
    I've known some bad guys and at first glance you might think they're the nicest person you ever met
    and have no idea who they really are or what they're really like......well I'm finished.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    scb wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    We are citizens of this country, they are not.

    So? We're talking about breaking the law by failing to file some paperwork. It's the same type of crime for all three scenarios. Why do we have such vastly different ideas about non-Americans vs. Americans who commit the same type of crime? Because it's not really just about breaking the law; it's really about xenophobia.

    We act like just because we happen to be citizens of this country we are better than those who are not and we have a right to treat them like shit, as if they are bad people who are not deserving of our respect, when really the only difference between us and them is location of birth and/or paperwork.

    Really, we are only citizens of this country because our ancestors immigrated here illegally and took this land by force from the ancestors of the people we now say don't belong here. What's that saying? "We didn't cross the border; the border crossed us."

    Regardless, this new law encourages the harassment not of illegal immigrants or non-citizens, but of anyone - including legal American citizens - of Hispanic descent. Again, that's about racism and xenophobia, not about upholding the law.

    Edit to add: I really don't understand how so many of the same people who are supposedly fighting against the government taking away our freedoms/rights can actually support a law that so blatantly allows the government to take away our freedoms/rights - the rights of American CITIZENS! I guess it's okay to take away Americans' rights when the Americans don't look like you think they should.

    So now let me see if I can get this straight: Laws which help (by providing healthcare) American citizens who don't look like me are a violation of American freedoms, but laws which hurt (by encouraging harassment of) American citizens who don't look like me are not a violation of American freedoms and are to be supported. :? Again, it seems to me like some groups in this country don't really support Americans at all, as they claim they do, but really only support Americans who are like them.

    scb your joking right ?

    Godfather.
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