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unsung

That isn't my problem, let the restaurants close down. Maybe they will have to actually start hiring Americans that are looking for work.

Personally I believe the owners of these places should be jailed for employing illegal aliens.

_

If we want to crack down on all the companies hiring undocumented immigrants, I think that's more appropriate than just cracking down on the immigrants themselves. But we must then be prepared for the consequences to our economy, including an increased cost of food. Is everyone okay with that?

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

That isn't my problem, let the restaurants close down. Maybe they will have to actually start hiring Americans that are looking for work.

Personally I believe the owners of these places should be jailed for employing illegal aliens.

...
And so should the farmers, ranchers, landscape contractors, construction contractors, hotel owners, warehouse owners and ANYONE who picks up an illegal day laborer from the local Home Depot.
Who cares if the cost of a Grand Slam breakfast costs 16 bucks... if onions are a buck fifty apiece... if houses cost more as long as the problem is solved.
Everyone cries about 'Money, money, MONEY'... yet, will be willing to pay the increased cost of goods and services passed on to the consumer? I don't get it. Are Americans willing to do the same work... for the same pay? personally... I don't think so.

dasvidana

I'm amazed at all the discussion about the financial burden of illegal immigrants. Although I'm no economist, I bet they cost less to the American taxpayer than Goldman Sachs. The crap that white collar criminals get away with is far more costly, yet we're not passing any laws to deport any of them.

South of Seattle

Like Arizona isn't used to this type of controversy involving race :roll:

Exhibit A:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijeXGv9QLRc

Godfather.

scb wrote:

If we want to crack down on all the companies hiring undocumented immigrants, I think that's more appropriate than just cracking down on the immigrants themselves. But we must then be prepared for the consequences to our economy, including an increased cost of food. Is everyone okay with that?

fixing part of the problem wont work,btw we are paying the consequences right now with the cost
of housing,feeding,medical, etc. but you probley don't believe that do you, when they sneek over here and have babies we pay it and other medical cost not to mention the increase in crime (gang's and drug wars)


Godfather.

Godfather.

Cosmo wrote:

unsung wrote:

That isn't my problem, let the restaurants close down. Maybe they will have to actually start hiring Americans that are looking for work.

Personally I believe the owners of these places should be jailed for employing illegal aliens.

...
And so should the farmers, ranchers, landscape contractors, construction contractors, hotel owners, warehouse owners and ANYONE who picks up an illegal day laborer from the local Home Depot.
Who cares if the cost of a Grand Slam breakfast costs 16 bucks... if onions are a buck fifty apiece... if houses cost more as long as the problem is solved.
Everyone cries about 'Money, money, MONEY'... yet, will be willing to pay the increased cost of goods and services passed on to the consumer? I don't get it. Are Americans willing to do the same work... for the same pay? personally... I don't think so.

we don't have to do the same work for less pay this is America and what we built,having illegals work for less money is setting us back on the thing's that unions and hard working Americans have worked so to build.

Godfather.

Boxes&Books

take a minute to watch the video.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp ... 8#36791568

Godfather.

tonifig8 wrote:

take a minute to watch the video.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp ... 8#36791568

I just got a new computer at work ....no friggin sound,I'll check it out tonight.

Godfather.

bigdvs

JACK CAFFERTY: So Arizona passes a tough law against illegal immigration and suddenly they've got Washington's attention. One poll finds 70 percent of Arizona voters support this new law, so hey, maybe we better do something, too. And like the lemmings they are when they smell a chance to score some political points, and some of them need a lot of help with the midterms coming up, there is now talk of rushing immigration reform through Congress. President Obama called the Arizona law misguided. What's misguided, Mr. President, is the federal government's ongoing refusal to enforce the laws that are already on the books. Read the Arizona law. Parts of it are word-for-word the same as the federal statutes which continue to be all but ignored. Now we're hear all sorts of blathering from our Washington gerbils about the need for a new federal law. There'll be news conferences and interviews and committee hearings and draft legislation and polling, all the usual carnival acts that accompany any hot button Washington issue. Instead of simply closing the borders and enforcing the existing law so they could turn their attention to something like the national debt and the fact that the country is bankrupt, instead we're going to get this freak show. Washington's position on illegal immigration is patently dishonest from the top down. No enforcement, no border security. Just pandering to the Hispanic voters and the corporations that hire the illegals. And then, when one of our states that's being ravaged by the presence of 460,000 illegal aliens inside its borders does something about it, the President says that's misguided. What a shame. Here's the question: Will the federal government ever enforce our immigration laws?

WaveCameCrashin

LOOK HERE IT IS.....
Arizona is not setting immagration policy or even contra-veining it. Its upholding Federal immagration policy which the FEDERAL GOVENMENT IS NOT DOING !!!!
Arizona is legitimately protecting it's citizens from the financial burdens and criminal threats against it. They are'nt changing federal law :roll:
It's pretty clear that there's no pre-emption issue,supremacy issue or constitutional issue of any kind.





SB 1070 makes changes to laws relating to the enforcement on immigration laws, failure to carry an alien registration document, day laborers, harboring or transporting illegal aliens and employer sanctions.

History
8 U.S.C. § 1373(c) requires Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to respond to inquiries by federal, state, or local government agencies seeking to verify or ascertain the citizenship or immigration status of any individual within the jurisdiction of the agency for any purpose authorized by law, by providing the requested verification or status information.

Laws 2007, Ch. 279 enacted the Legal Arizona Workers Act (Act). The Act: expands aggravated taking the identity of another person or entity to include the intent to obtain employment; prohibits an employer from intentionally employing an unauthorized alien or knowingly employing an unauthorized alien; requires the Attorney General (AG) or county attorney to investigate complaints and classifies filing a false and frivolous complaint as a class 3 misdemeanor; provides for license suspension for the first violation; requires license revocation on a second violation during a probationary period; and after December 31, 2007, requires every employer to utilize E-Verify to verify employment eligibility. Laws 2008, Chapter 152 further amended the Act.

Provisions
Enforcement of Immigration Law
· Prohibits law enforcement officials and law enforcement agencies of this state or counties, municipalities and political subdivisions from restricting or limiting the enforcement of the federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law.

· Requires officials and agencies to reasonably attempt to determine the immigration status of a person involved in a lawful contact where reasonable suspicion exists regarding the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation.

· Stipulates that if the person is arrested, the person’s immigration status must be determined before the person is released and must be verified with the federal government.
OH THE HORROR :roll: :roll:
· Stipulates that a law enforcement official or agency cannot solely consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution.
It''s says it right here . So Now all you leftist and people who are saying that people are going to be racially profiled can relax. It recognizes FEDERAL, current, local ,and state law.
· Specifies that a person is presumed to be lawfully present if the person provides any of the following:
Ø A valid Arizona driver license.
Ø A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
Ø A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
Ø A valid federal, state or local government issued identification, if the issuing entity requires proof of legal presence before issuance.

· Requires that if a person is convicted of any state or local law, on discharge from imprisonment or on the assessment of any monetary obligation imposed, ICE or U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) must be immediately notified.

· Authorizes a law enforcement agency to securely transport an unlawfully present alien to a federal facility.

· Requires a law enforcement agency to obtain judicial authorization before securely transporting an unlawfully present alien to a point of transfer that is outside of Arizona.

· Prohibits, except as provided in federal law, officials and agencies of counties, cities, towns or other political subdivisions from being prevented or restricted from sending, receiving or maintaining information relating to the immigration status, of any individual or exchanging that information with another governmental entity for the following official purposes:
Ø Determination of eligibility for any public benefit, service or license.

Ø Verification of any claim of legal domicile if legal domicile is required by law or judicial order.

Ø If the person is an alien, determination of the person’s compliance with federal registration laws.

Ø Pursuant to federal laws regarding communication between government agencies and federal immigration agencies.

· Stipulates that these provisions does not implement, authorize or establish and cannot be construed to implement authorize or establish the REAL ID Act of 2005, including the use of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID).

· Allows a person who is a legal resident of this state to bring an action in superior court to challenge officials and agencies of the state, counties, cities, towns or other political subdivisions that adopt or implement a policy that limits or restricts the enforcement of federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law.

· Requires the court to order any that a violating entity pays a civil penalty of at least $1,000 and not to exceed $5,000 for each day that the policy has remained in effect after it has been found to be violating these provisions.

· States that the court will collect the penalty and transmit the collected monies to the state Treasurer for deposit in the Gang and Immigration Intelligence Team Enforcement Mission (GIITEM) Fund.

· Authorizes the court to award court costs and reasonable attorney fees to any person or any official or agency that prevails in a case brought under these provisions.

· Indemnifies officers against actions brought under these provisions, except if the officer has been adjudged to have acted in bad faith.

· Stipulates that these provisions are to be implemented consistent with federal immigration law protecting the civil right of all persons and respecting the privileges and immunities of US citizens.

Willful Failure to Complete or Carry an Alien Registration Document
· Specifies that in addition to any violation of federal law, a person is guilty of willful failure to complete or carry an alien registration document if the person is in violation of 8 U.S.C. § 1304(e) or 1306(a).

· Stipulates that the immigration status may be determined by:

Ø A law enforcement officer who is authorized by the federal government to verify or ascertain an alien’s immigration status.

Ø ICE or CBP pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1373(c).

· Prevents a person convicted of the new offense from being eligible for suspension of sentence, probation, pardon, commutation of sentence, or release from confinement on any basis except for as authorized by the Director of the Arizona Department of Correction until the sentence imposed has been served or the person is eligible for release due to early release credits.

· Requires the court to order the person to pay jail costs and an additional assessment of:
Ø At least $500 for a first offense.

Ø Twice the amount the person was ordered to pay for the first offense if this is the second or subsequent offense.

· States that the court will collect the assessments and transmit the collected monies to the Department of Public Safety for deposit in a special sub-account of the account established for GIITEM.

· Stipulates that monies in the sub-account are subject to legislative appropriation for distribution for gang and immigration enforcement and for county jail costs relating to illegal immigration.

· Stipulates that any record that relates to the immigration status of a person is admissible in any court without further foundation or testimony from a custodian of records if the record is certified as authentic by the government agency responsible for maintaining the record.

· Makes a first offense a class 1 misdemeanor.

· Increases the penalty to a class 3 felony if the person commits the offense while in possession of:

Ø A dangerous drug (A.R.S. § 13-3401).

Ø Precursor chemicals used to manufacture methamphetamine (A.R.S. § 13-3404.01).

Ø A deadly weapon (A.R.S. § 13-3101).

Ø A dangerous instrument (A.R.S. § 13-105).

Ø Property used for committing an act of terrorism (A.R.S. § 13-2308.01).

· Makes violations a class 4 felony if either:

Ø It is a second or subsequent violation.

Ø Within 60 days, the person has been removed from the U.S. either under 8 U.S.C. § 1229a or 8 U.S.C. § 1229c.

Unlawfully Picking up Passengers for Work
· Specifies that it is a class 1 misdemeanor for an occupant of a motor vehicle that is stopped on a street, roadway, or highway to attempt to hire or hire and pick up passengers for work at a different location, if the motor vehicle blocks or impedes the normal movement of traffic.

· Specifies that it is a class 1 misdemeanor for a person to enter a motor vehicle that is stopped on a street, roadway or highway in order to be hired by an occupant of the motor vehicle and to be transported to work at a different location, if the motor vehicle blocks or impedes the normal movement of traffic.

· Specifies that it is a class 1 misdemeanor for a person who is unlawfully present who is an unauthorized alien to knowingly apply for work, solicit work in a public place or perform work as an employee or independent contractor.

· Defines solicit and unauthorized alien.

Unlawfully Transporting or Harboring Unlawful Aliens
· Stipulates that it is unlawful for a person who is in violation of a criminal offense to:

Ø Transport or move an alien in a means of transportation, or attempt to do so, if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien is here unlawfully.

Ø Conceal, harbor or shield an alien, or attempt to, if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien is here unlawfully.

Ø Encourage or induce an alien to come to this state if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that doing so would be a violation of law.

· Specifies that a means of transportation used in a violation of these provisions is subject to mandatory vehicle immobilization or impoundment.

· Specifies that these provisions do not apply to a Child Protective Services worker acting in the worker’s official capacity or a person who is acting in the capacity of a first responder, an ambulance attendant or an emergency medial technician and is transporting or moving an alien in relation to emergency medial services.

· Stipulates that violators are guilty of a class 1 misdemeanor and subject to a fine of at least $1,000. However, a violation involving 10 or more illegal aliens is a class 6 felony and subject to a fine of at least $1,000 for each alien involved.

· Requires a peace officer to immobilize or impound a person’s vehicle if the officer determines either that:
Ø In furtherance of the illegal presence of an alien and in violation of a criminal offense, the person is transporting or moving, or attempting to do so in a vehicle if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien is here unlawfully.
Ø The person is concealing, harboring or shielding an alien in this state, or attempting to do so in a vehicle if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien is here unlawfully.

Employer Sanctions
· Provides employers with the affirmative defense that they were entrapped, but they must admit the substantial elements of the violation.

· Stipulates that the employer has the burden of proof proving the following by a preponderance of the evidence:

Ø The idea of committing the violation started with the officer or their agents.

Ø The officers or their agents urged and induced the employer to commit the violation.

Ø The employer was not predisposed to commit the violation before the law enforcement officer or agents urged and induced the employer to do so.

· Stipulates that an employer is not entrapped if the employer was predisposed to violate the law and law enforcement merely provided the employer with the opportunity. Additionally, it is not entrapment for law enforcement to use a ruse or to conceal their identity.

· Requires employers to keep a record of the employment verification from E-verify for the duration of an employee’s employment, or three years, whichever is longer.

Miscellaneous
· Authorizes peace officers, in the enforcement of human smuggling laws, to lawfully stop a person if they have reasonable suspicion to believe the person is in violation of any civil traffic law.

· Authorizes a peace officer to arrest a person without a warrant if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S.

· Establishes the GIITEM fund (fund) and directs monies collected from penalties resulting from policies limiting the enforcement of federal immigration law to the fund.

· Requires the Arizona Department of Public Safety to administer the fund, which is subject to legislative appropriation and is to be used for gang and immigration enforcement and for county jail reimbursement for costs relating to illegal immigration.

· Contains intent and severability, implementation and construction clauses.

· Specifies that this act may be cited as the “Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act.”

· Makes technical and conforming changes.

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michelleelise

This situation is so frustrating. If I can just refer back to the Noam Chomsky / Nazi thread of a few days ago. Did anyone else watch the video link about the similarities he was noticing between the anger in the US and the anger in pre-Nazi Germany?

The big similarity is that the economy is in the can, people are mad, people want answers, they want someone or something to blame so that they can then have some hope of fixing the situation. The cost of undocumented immigrants is not even remotely comparable to the cost of what bailing Wall St and the auto industry, etc. have been. But Republicans don't want to fix Wall St, that would cost them their campaign contributions and probably their jobs. So they hold up an easy answer for their angry constituents: "It's all the illegal aliens fault! We just need to get rid of them. We're broke because your money that you've worked hard for all your life is going to paying for immigrants' health care and education and law enforcement. You're out of work or underpaid because they're stealing your jobs!"

It is beyond ridiculous to look at the myriad serious financial problems in this country - and the rest of the world - over the past couple of years and even remotely blame it on the cost of immigrants. But Republicans need to give constituents an answer that they can fix - and God knows they don't want to have to fix the bigger issues. So they'll direct the anger at immigrants and hope it buys them time. This is where Chomsky's parallel to the development of the Nazi Party was prescient. Germany had huge economic problems - equivalent to the Great Depression in America - and were living under sanctions because of their role in WWI. People's quality of life had deteriorated drastically. Hitler held up the Jews as scapegoat and he told people, "If we could only get rid of the Jews. They're the cause of all of these problems." We look back with hindsight and wonder how anyone could have bought into that because it doesn't even make any sense. Fear and anger will cause people to believe crazy things.

So, anyway, I'm not saying we don't need some kind of immigration reforms to manage undocumented immigration. But to direct so much anger and put so much blame on immigration for the situation we're in today is ridiculous. Please don't buy into the scapegoating being done by people who want desperately to stay in power. Direct the anger where it belongs: Wall St and Washington. We're a nation full of hard-working people, if we could ever reform Wall St and Washington we'll all be OK Of course, that's the last thing they want.

Boxes&Books

michelle822 wrote:

This situation is so frustrating. If I can just refer back to the Noam Chomsky / Nazi thread of a few days ago. Did anyone else watch the video link about the similarities he was noticing between the anger in the US and the anger in pre-Nazi Germany?

The big similarity is that the economy is in the can, people are mad, people want answers, they want someone or something to blame so that they can then have some hope of fixing the situation. The cost of undocumented immigrants is not even remotely comparable to the cost of what bailing Wall St and the auto industry, etc. have been. But Republicans don't want to fix Wall St, that would cost them their campaign contributions and probably their jobs. So they hold up an easy answer for their angry constituents: "It's all the illegal aliens fault! We just need to get rid of them. We're broke because your money that you've worked hard for all your life is going to paying for immigrants' health care and education and law enforcement. You're out of work or underpaid because they're stealing your jobs!"

It is beyond ridiculous to look at the myriad serious financial problems in this country - and the rest of the world - over the past couple of years and even remotely blame it on the cost of immigrants. But Republicans need to give constituents an answer that they can fix - and God knows they don't want to have to fix the bigger issues. So they'll direct the anger at immigrants and hope it buys them time. This is where Chomsky's parallel to the development of the Nazi Party was prescient. Germany had huge economic problems - equivalent to the Great Depression in America - and were living under sanctions because of their role in WWI. People's quality of life had deteriorated drastically. Hitler held up the Jews as scapegoat and he told people, "If we could only get rid of the Jews. They're the cause of all of these problems." We look back with hindsight and wonder how anyone could have bought into that because it doesn't even make any sense. Fear and anger will cause people to believe crazy things.

So, anyway, I'm not saying we don't need some kind of immigration reforms to manage undocumented immigration. But to direct so much anger and put so much blame on immigration for the situation we're in today is ridiculous. Please don't buy into the scapegoating being done by people who want desperately to stay in power. Direct the anger where it belongs: Wall St and Washington. We're a nation full of hard-working people, if we could ever reform Wall St and Washington we'll all be OK Of course, that's the last thing they want.

+1

WaveCameCrashin

michelle822 wrote:

This situation is so frustrating. If I can just refer back to the Noam Chomsky / Nazi thread of a few days ago. Did anyone else watch the video link about the similarities he was noticing between the anger in the US and the anger in pre-Nazi Germany?

The big similarity is that the economy is in the can, people are mad, people want answers, they want someone or something to blame so that they can then have some hope of fixing the situation. The cost of undocumented immigrants is not even remotely comparable to the cost of what bailing Wall St and the auto industry, etc. have been. But Republicans don't want to fix Wall St, that would cost them their campaign contributions and probably their jobs. So they hold up an easy answer for their angry constituents: "It's all the illegal aliens fault! We just need to get rid of them. We're broke because your money that you've worked hard for all your life is going to paying for immigrants' health care and education and law enforcement. You're out of work or underpaid because they're stealing your jobs!"

It is beyond ridiculous to look at the myriad serious financial problems in this country - and the rest of the world - over the past couple of years and even remotely blame it on the cost of immigrants. But Republicans need to give constituents an answer that they can fix - and God knows they don't want to have to fix the bigger issues. So they'll direct the anger at immigrants and hope it buys them time. This is where Chomsky's parallel to the development of the Nazi Party was prescient. Germany had huge economic problems - equivalent to the Great Depression in America - and were living under sanctions because of their role in WWI. People's quality of life had deteriorated drastically. Hitler held up the Jews as scapegoat and he told people, "If we could only get rid of the Jews. They're the cause of all of these problems." We look back with hindsight and wonder how anyone could have bought into that because it doesn't even make any sense. Fear and anger will cause people to believe crazy things.

So, anyway, I'm not saying we don't need some kind of immigration reforms to manage undocumented immigration. But to direct so much anger and put so much blame on immigration for the situation we're in today is ridiculous. Please don't buy into the scapegoating being done by people who want desperately to stay in power. Direct the anger where it belongs: Wall St and Washington. We're a nation full of hard-working people, if we could ever reform Wall St and Washington we'll all be OK Of course, that's the last thing they want.

wtf are you even talking about :? No one is blaming immigrants. People are pissed at the federal GOV for not doing their damn job.

WaveCameCrashin

so tonfig8 I just posted the bill and you are silent. Are you still going to say that there is going to be racial profiling ?

Boxes&Books

prfctlefts wrote:

· Stipulates that if the person is arrested, the person’s immigration status must be determined before the person is released and must be verified with the federal government.
OH THE HORROR :roll: :roll:
· Stipulates that a law enforcement official or agency cannot solely consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution.
It''s says it right here . So Now all you leftist and people who are saying that people are going to be racially profiled can relax. It recognizes FEDERAL, current, local ,and state law.

"Stipulates"- do you really think every law enforcement officer is going to promise not to "solely consider race or color"??? Are you that naive? Don't you think that an officer can now take his time when dealing with me? Just to fuck with me because he doesn't like the color of my skin?
The people who introduced this bill are linked up to white supremacist groups and you support this? WTF!

_

Godfather. wrote:

scb wrote:

If we want to crack down on all the companies hiring undocumented immigrants, I think that's more appropriate than just cracking down on the immigrants themselves. But we must then be prepared for the consequences to our economy, including an increased cost of food. Is everyone okay with that?

fixing part of the problem wont work,btw we are paying the consequences right now with the cost
of housing,feeding,medical, etc. but you probley don't believe that do you, when they sneek over here and have babies we pay it and other medical cost not to mention the increase in crime (gang's and drug wars)


Godfather.

No, I don't believe you that they are costing us money overall. And why should I when you haven't proven it?

Regardless, I'm talking about higher costs at the grocery store, restaurants, etc. Do you think everyone, when they get their outrageous grocery bill, will just say "Oh well, I'm saving money in medical costs for undocumented immigrants, so it's all good!" Not likely. And, even if getting rid of all illegal immigrants would save money for the country, will that savings be passed on to each individual whose cost of feeding their family has just increased? I don't think so.

And are you seriously trying to blame gangs & drug wars on undocumented immigrants too?? It's probably also their fault that Tiger Woods cheated on his wife, right? When are we going to start taking responsibility for our own problems in this country?

Godfather.

michelle822 wrote:

This situation is so frustrating. If I can just refer back to the Noam Chomsky / Nazi thread of a few days ago. Did anyone else watch the video link about the similarities he was noticing between the anger in the US and the anger in pre-Nazi Germany?

The big similarity is that the economy is in the can, people are mad, people want answers, they want someone or something to blame so that they can then have some hope of fixing the situation. The cost of undocumented immigrants is not even remotely comparable to the cost of what bailing Wall St and the auto industry, etc. have been. But Republicans don't want to fix Wall St, that would cost them their campaign contributions and probably their jobs. So they hold up an easy answer for their angry constituents: "It's all the illegal aliens fault! We just need to get rid of them. We're broke because your money that you've worked hard for all your life is going to paying for immigrants' health care and education and law enforcement. You're out of work or underpaid because they're stealing your jobs!"

It is beyond ridiculous to look at the myriad serious financial problems in this country - and the rest of the world - over the past couple of years and even remotely blame it on the cost of immigrants. But Republicans need to give constituents an answer that they can fix - and God knows they don't want to have to fix the bigger issues. So they'll direct the anger at immigrants and hope it buys them time. This is where Chomsky's parallel to the development of the Nazi Party was prescient. Germany had huge economic problems - equivalent to the Great Depression in America - and were living under sanctions because of their role in WWI. People's quality of life had deteriorated drastically. Hitler held up the Jews as scapegoat and he told people, "If we could only get rid of the Jews. They're the cause of all of these problems." We look back with hindsight and wonder how anyone could have bought into that because it doesn't even make any sense. Fear and anger will cause people to believe crazy things.

So, anyway, I'm not saying we don't need some kind of immigration reforms to manage undocumented immigration. But to direct so much anger and put so much blame on immigration for the situation we're in today is ridiculous. Please don't buy into the scapegoating being done by people who want desperately to stay in power. Direct the anger where it belongs: Wall St and Washington. We're a nation full of hard-working people, if we could ever reform Wall St and Washington we'll all be OK Of course, that's the last thing they want.

I don't know if everybody is blaming all our money problems on illegale immigrants it's just one of the problems
and this media coverage of the Az. thing is a little blown up in my opinion cause all the stuff I've read on here is for the most part speculation, "THE POLICE ARE GOING TO PULL OVER EVERY BROWN PERSON ON THE STREET" and I don't think that will happen our citizens and law makers are smater than that...I hope

Godfather

michelleelise

prfctlefts wrote:

wtf are you even talking about :?

Classy

prfctlefts wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

No one is blaming immigrants.

Well I just read both threads and saw many comments about the cost of their health care, them having jobs in restaurants that Americans could use, the cost of law enforcement for them, etc. So maybe you didn't write that yourself but it is obvious that that is the sentiment behind other people's anger and demands that the government "do something".

Jason P

There are an estimated 10.8 million illegal aliens living in the U.S. There are three basic options.

1) Enforce federal laws and make it more difficult for an undocumented person to stay on U.S. soil
2) Abolish the border patrol and install a welcome sign
3) Stay with the current system which doesn’t seem to be operating very efficiently.

The biggest question is if this new Arizona law will solve the problem. My gut says probably not because you are addressing the issue one case at a time. People will continue to enter illegally if there is an economic incentive. The crackdown should focus on the employers but even that is difficult due to false documentation floating around.

Overall, it’s just a messy situation. I’ve worked with (suspected) illegal immigrants and they are some of the hardest working and honest people I’ve known. In the end though, I favor the enforcement of set rules.