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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,657
    BF25394 wrote:
    igotid88 wrote:
    i'm thinking 5 more weeks with or without the snl appearance. might add a couple more if the snl gig gives it a huge bump.

    I think you could be looking at as few as two more weeks. A fall into the 180s or 190s next chart week, then an uptick for the chart week after "SNL," and then a return to the original trajectory the following week, which would land it outside the top 200. The best-case scenario is that the "SNL" performance of "Just Breathe" lights a fire at radio that fuels a sustained sales boost for the album, but that's unlikely.

    i'm checking the itunes charts. and both just breathe has moved up into 50-60's range. when it was in the 90's just this past week. and backspacer moved into the 20's. I know itunes didn't represent the higher percentage of backspacer sales. but i could see it staying even or maybe moving up a tick.
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  • fox_mulderX
    fox_mulderX Posts: 1,134
    igotid88 wrote:
    Just checked riaa website. And Backspacer was certified Gold on Jan 28, 2010.

    how so? i thought it just passed 500k this week... in january it was hovering around 400k i though.
  • igotid88
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    fox_mulderX wrote:
    igotid88 wrote:
    Just checked riaa website. And Backspacer was certified Gold on Jan 28, 2010.

    how so? i thought it just passed 500k this week... in january it was hovering around 400k i though.

    they certify albums and singles that are shipped not sold.
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  • fox_mulderX
    fox_mulderX Posts: 1,134
    igotid88 wrote:
    fox_mulderX wrote:
    igotid88 wrote:
    Just checked riaa website. And Backspacer was certified Gold on Jan 28, 2010.

    how so? i thought it just passed 500k this week... in january it was hovering around 400k i though.

    they certify albums and singles that are shipped not sold.

    oh okay. makes sense
    thanks
  • William Wallace
    William Wallace Posts: 553
    Backspacer is up to #11 on the US i-tunes charts after the SNL performance.
  • elderman
    elderman Posts: 180
    Just checked Billboard...last week Backspacer was at #168 so I began scrolling down from 200...by the time I got down to 100 it had not appeared so I figured its dropped out.
    Hell no its at #88!!!!!!
    And Just Breathe goes up again to #78 from #94. :D
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    elderman wrote:
    Just checked Billboard...last week Backspacer was at #168 so I began scrolling down from 200...by the time I got down to 100 it had not appeared so I figured its dropped out.
    Hell no its at #88!!!!!!
    And Just Breathe goes up again to #78 from #94. :D

    And this chart factors in only one day of sales-- Sunday-- after the "SNL" appearance. Look for continued strong sales on next week's chart, too.
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  • CitizenRick
    CitizenRick Posts: 1,079
    BF25394 wrote:
    elderman wrote:
    Just checked Billboard...last week Backspacer was at #168 so I began scrolling down from 200...by the time I got down to 100 it had not appeared so I figured its dropped out.
    Hell no its at #88!!!!!!
    And Just Breathe goes up again to #78 from #94. :D

    And this chart factors in only one day of sales-- Sunday-- after the "SNL" appearance. Look for continued strong sales on next week's chart, too.

    Wow. I didn't even think about it being only one day. I'm guessing people jumped on itunes the next day and downloaded the full album. Very impressive!
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,657
    BF25394 wrote:
    elderman wrote:
    Just checked Billboard...last week Backspacer was at #168 so I began scrolling down from 200...by the time I got down to 100 it had not appeared so I figured its dropped out.
    Hell no its at #88!!!!!!
    And Just Breathe goes up again to #78 from #94. :D

    And this chart factors in only one day of sales-- Sunday-- after the "SNL" appearance. Look for continued strong sales on next week's chart, too.

    yea it's been in the top 20 most of this week. i'd say it sold about 7-8,000 copies last week. I wouldn't be surprised if ITW soundtrack cracks the top 200.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    igotid88 wrote:
    BF25394 wrote:
    elderman wrote:
    Just checked Billboard...last week Backspacer was at #168 so I began scrolling down from 200...by the time I got down to 100 it had not appeared so I figured its dropped out.
    Hell no its at #88!!!!!!
    And Just Breathe goes up again to #78 from #94. :D

    And this chart factors in only one day of sales-- Sunday-- after the "SNL" appearance. Look for continued strong sales on next week's chart, too.

    yea it's been in the top 20 most of this week. i'd say it sold about 7-8,000 copies last week. I wouldn't be surprised if ITW soundtrack cracks the top 200.

    That's right. It sold around 4,000 last week, and 7,500-8,000 this week. I don't have exact numbers yet.
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  • T-Bone 82
    T-Bone 82 Posts: 421
    If it's that much of a bump on one day sales and has been in the top 20 all week on iTunes, I guess we could expect the album to be back in the top 50 this week, right?

    That's pretty impressive for 25 weeks into the release. I really like the fact that they haven't given up on this album. I really don't care how many copies they sell (it's kind of irrelevant anyway as so many people just download illegally) but I like that they care about staying relevant. I think Eddie mentioned it in the SPIN article - I'd hate to see them live 5 years down the road and have 75% of the crowd only care and get loud during "Alive" or "Jeremy". This band has so much more great material left in them and Backspacer deserves to be heard.

    The success of this album allows them to keep doing things as a 'big indie' band. I'm sure Target would do another deal with them. I know some people here have a problem with that, but I could care less. As long as they continue to include indie stores and sell through the website, that's all that matters to me.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    T-Bone 82 wrote:
    If it's that much of a bump on one day sales and has been in the top 20 all week on iTunes, I guess we could expect the album to be back in the top 50 this week, right?

    That's pretty impressive for 25 weeks into the release. I really like the fact that they haven't given up on this album. I really don't care how many copies they sell (it's kind of irrelevant anyway as so many people just download illegally) but I like that they care about staying relevant. I think Eddie mentioned it in the SPIN article - I'd hate to see them live 5 years down the road and have 75% of the crowd only care and get loud during "Alive" or "Jeremy". This band has so much more great material left in them and Backspacer deserves to be heard.

    Two things: sales are relevant because they will affect the band's ability to distribute future albums. Granted, they could always release things for free over the Web, but broader distribution is contingent on being able to show that there's still an audience.

    Second, illegal downloading is not as prevalent as most people here seem to think. The vast majority of downloading is done legally via iTunes and similar providers.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    After 25 weeks, "Backspacer" sits at #88 on The Billboard 200. How does this compare with prior Pearl Jam studio albums in their 25th week of release?

    "Ten": #27
    "Vs.": #34
    "Vitalogy": #41*
    "Backspacer": #88
    "Yield": #141
    "No Code": Off chart
    "Binaural": Off chart
    "Pearl Jam": Off chart
    "Riot Act": Off chart

    *Does not include two weeks on chart when available on vinyl only (debuted at #55 vinyl-only, then fell to #173 before leaping to #1 upon the CD release).

    "Backspacer" chart run, to date: 1-10-16-21-31-43-54-69-91-45-134-134-123-77-69-80-82-96-98-118-128-125-140-168-88

    "Backspacer" has now accrued Pearl Jam's fifth-longest tenure on The Billboard 200.

    "Ten": 250
    "Vs.": 67
    "Vitalogy": 55
    "Yield": 36
    "Backspacer": 25
    "No Code": 24
    "Rearviewmirror": 22
    "Binaural": 17
    "Pearl Jam": 17
    "Live On Two Legs": 15
    "Riot Act": 14
    "Lost Dogs": 11
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,657
    T-Bone 82 wrote:
    If it's that much of a bump on one day sales and has been in the top 20 all week on iTunes, I guess we could expect the album to be back in the top 50 this week, right?

    That's pretty impressive for 25 weeks into the release. I really like the fact that they haven't given up on this album. I really don't care how many copies they sell (it's kind of irrelevant anyway as so many people just download illegally) but I like that they care about staying relevant. I think Eddie mentioned it in the SPIN article - I'd hate to see them live 5 years down the road and have 75% of the crowd only care and get loud during "Alive" or "Jeremy". This band has so much more great material left in them and Backspacer deserves to be heard.

    The success of this album allows them to keep doing things as a 'big indie' band. I'm sure Target would do another deal with them. I know some people here have a problem with that, but I could care less. As long as they continue to include indie stores and sell through the website, that's all that matters to me.

    hard to tell. if it's only doing well at itunes. then it'll probably stay the same. i was just checking target's website. and it says it's out of stock.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    After 26 weeks, "Backspacer" sits at #89 on The Billboard 200. How does this compare with prior Pearl Jam studio albums in their 26th week of release?

    "Ten": #20
    "Vs.": #36
    "Vitalogy": #47*
    "Backspacer": #89
    "Yield": #159
    "No Code": Off chart
    "Binaural": Off chart
    "Pearl Jam": Off chart
    "Riot Act": Off chart

    *Does not include two weeks on chart when available on vinyl only (debuted at #55 vinyl-only, then fell to #173 before leaping to #1 upon the CD release).

    "Backspacer" chart run, to date: 1-10-16-21-31-43-54-69-91-45-134-134-123-77-69-80-82-96-98-118-128-125-140-168-88-89

    "Backspacer" has accrued Pearl Jam's fifth-longest tenure on The Billboard 200.

    "Ten": 250
    "Vs.": 67
    "Vitalogy": 55
    "Yield": 36*
    "Backspacer": 26
    "No Code": 24
    "Rearviewmirror": 22
    "Binaural": 17
    "Pearl Jam": 17
    "Live On Two Legs": 15
    "Riot Act": 14*
    "Lost Dogs": 11

    * Non-consecutive
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  • Veddernarian
    Veddernarian Posts: 1,924
    Wow 26 weeks is 1/2 a year. Time flies. I remember all the anticipation. The Conan show, the leak of the taping of the Target ad, the 10 second Verizon ringtone clips once a week, the 30second clips popping up in Youtube and getting squashed, the German revew translated to english, the piecing together of the album cover across the web and getting speed of sound demo, the amazement of the lack of a leak, hearing Supersonic being played live in Euro, finally the leak, the release. Seems like yesterday. It is still in my 6-cd changer in the car, getting frequent plays.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    Veddernarian wrote:
    Wow 26 weeks is 1/2 a year. Time flies. I remember all the anticipation. The Conan show, the leak of the taping of the Target ad, the 10 second Verizon ringtone clips once a week, the 30second clips popping up in Youtube and getting squashed, the German revew translated to english, the piecing together of the album cover across the web and getting speed of sound demo, the amazement of the lack of a leak, hearing Supersonic being played live in Euro, finally the leak, the release. Seems like yesterday. It is still in my 6-cd changer in the car, getting frequent plays.

    Of course, the Conan appearance was nearly ten months ago.
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  • Veddernarian
    Veddernarian Posts: 1,924
    At the time of Binaural and even Riot Act, general music industry CD sales were higher. I've got to believe an expert could fairly easily equate what 500,000 in sales in 2010 would have been equivalent to in 2002 (Riot Act) and in 1998/1999 (Binaural). I'd be curious as to how many people have Backspacer, obtained by any means legal or illegal. In the 1970's you could tape a vinyl album onto cassette. Now, you can easily grab copies. So back then, with less of a means to pirate, sales more closely reflected "haves". I bet Backspacer in in the hands of over 1,000,000 people in the US.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Veddernarian wrote:
    At the time of Binaural and even Riot Act, general music industry CD sales were higher. I've got to believe an expert could fairly easily equate what 500,000 in sales in 2010 would have been equivalent to in 2002 (Riot Act) and in 1998/1999 (Binaural). I'd be curious as to how many people have Backspacer, obtained by any means legal or illegal. In the 1970's you could tape a vinyl album onto cassette. Now, you can easily grab copies. So back then, with less of a means to pirate, sales more closely reflected "haves". I bet Backspacer in in the hands of over 1,000,000 people in the US.


    now, i'm not a lawyer, but i would save 500k in 2010 is about the equivalent of around 1.2M in 2000
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  • T-Bone 82
    T-Bone 82 Posts: 421
    The Jeagler wrote:
    Veddernarian wrote:
    At the time of Binaural and even Riot Act, general music industry CD sales were higher. I've got to believe an expert could fairly easily equate what 500,000 in sales in 2010 would have been equivalent to in 2002 (Riot Act) and in 1998/1999 (Binaural). I'd be curious as to how many people have Backspacer, obtained by any means legal or illegal. In the 1970's you could tape a vinyl album onto cassette. Now, you can easily grab copies. So back then, with less of a means to pirate, sales more closely reflected "haves". I bet Backspacer in in the hands of over 1,000,000 people in the US.


    now, i'm not a lawyer, but i would save 500k in 2010 is about the equivalent of around 1.2M in 2000

    I read an article recently that CD sales declined by over 50% over the last decade 2000 - 2009, so I think your estimate would be about right.

    Imagine if they would have distributed this album widely, rather than just Target, iTUNES, and indies? It'd probably be good for at least 750k by now.
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