farewell to Ten Club (long)

kevtic wrote:

I fully understand the 10c's T&Cs but as i suggested earlier surely there could be some kind of system where tickets are re-released to 10c members with the original purchaser getting a refund minus an admin charge. Thereby stopping any abuse of the system as you have no control who gets the tickets. Somebody gets a ticket they want, original purchaser gets at least part of a return and 10c gets an admin fee to cover their time and costs. Win, win situation i would have thought or is that too easy?

Damn, that's a good idea.

At least you still got tickets to the show. Did you at least have a good time at the show?

kevtic wrote:

I fully understand the 10c's T&Cs but as i suggested earlier surely there could be some kind of system where tickets are re-released to 10c members with the original purchaser getting a refund minus an admin charge. Thereby stopping any abuse of the system as you have no control who gets the tickets. Somebody gets a ticket they want, original purchaser gets at least part of a return and 10c gets an admin fee to cover their time and costs. Win, win situation i would have thought or is that too easy?

that would be awesome, but dontcha think a lot of extra work for 10c's small staff?
does anyone know just exactly when the 10c staff organizes the tix for show by seniority in their respective envelopes? it may well be doable, so definitely not trying to squash the idea at all b/c it definitely sucks to see 10c tix go to waste, just considering the logistics. also, i am sure there would be people who would bitch that they 'missed out on' the re-release of tix. :roll: haha. there will always end up being wasted tix at the last minute, b/c obviously they'd have to have a cut off point for refunds. and i wonder how exactly the tix would work as far as original purchaser's seniority and the new purhcaser's seniority. it would definitely be something that would need to be addressed if they ever implemented such a system. i wonder just how many 10c tix go to waste at any given show? it may not truly be a worthwhile endeavor on 10c's part if it is slim to none.

definitely a cool idea tho!

Ricky Ricardo,
What happened to you is fucked up. But if you wanted to take a stand you should have quit as a fan right then and there. Paying more cash to go to the concert, then quitting after is WEAK.

luxpjamer wrote:

breath123 wrote:

Do you know what would piss me off?

If I got to the 10c window and they told me that my tickets had already been picked up by somene who had photocopies of my id and credit card.

Yeah. There was a bad fuck up somewhere in the system. The girl at the window made a judgement call and you didn't like it. Got it. I am not saying you weren't screwed over. I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater is all I am saying.

Who thinks like this????? Who would get a copy of your ID & credit card for a Pearl Jam concert? Seriously... I think they would use their resources better at I don't know going shopping with your identity than going to a PJ show. Paranoid Play House Act II.

kevtic wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

that would be awesome, but dontcha think a lot of extra work for 10c's small staff?
does anyone know just exactly when the 10c staff organizes the tix for show by seniority in their respective envelopes? it may well be doable, so definitely not trying to squash the idea at all b/c it definitely sucks to see 10c tix go to waste, just considering the logistics. also, i am sure there would be people who would bitch that they 'missed out on' the re-release of tix. :roll: haha. there will always end up being wasted tix at the last minute, b/c obviously they'd have to have a cut off point for refunds. and i wonder how exactly the tix would work as far as original purchaser's seniority and the new purhcaser's seniority. it would definitely be something that would need to be addressed if they ever implemented such a system. i wonder just how many 10c tix go to waste at any given show? it may not truly be a worthwhile endeavor on 10c's part if it is slim to none.

definitely a cool idea tho!

I don't know how many staff they have but that is why an admin cost would be levied that would hopefully cover the cost of any resale. There would clearly need to be a cut off point. If you find out the day before you can't go then its tough luck but like me who knew a month in advance i couldn't go then it seems fair to inform them of this and make sure the tickets can then go to someone who didn't originally get a ticket.

i think tickets envelopes are done by name at least that's how they were done in UK. No idea how they allocate the seats though. Mine were GA. I think the idea or something similar is at least worth considering

yes, the envelopes are done by name, but the tickets within them are determined by seniority. obviously, in europe with mostly GA shows, it's not a big deal...but here in NA and usually elsewhere, it DOES matter. a LOT. also how the abuse of the system started. people with great #s bought tix, no intention of going, and resold em to friends with much worse 10c #s. i think it became a logistical nightmare for 10c. i did see the 'admin fee' you mentioned, but again...i think it's more about the TIME than the $$$. yes, perhaps a month before a show they'd have a 'stragglers sale' of excess 10c tix returned, and then have enough time to assemble tix in proper seniority order. i'd think doable. however there is still room for abuse of this system. again, what would be the criteria for refund? would people go and buy up tix b/c they can, and then just get refunds for tix to shows they decide not to go to? would death or illness or work be a required excuse? what kind of proof? these are all things they have to take into consideration. and this would also leave a lot of people out of 10c tix intially, and having to wait on additional releases, hoping to score, last minute plans, etc, etc. again, i definitely do see the plus side of it for someone with an unforseen life event, but i also see 10c's side....and actually, all the membership. 10c tix are a scare commodity to begin with. add in easy refunds, and they will be a lot more scarce, a lot more last minute, etc. as i said, i wonder just how many 10c tix a show, or even a tour, legitamitely go to waste due to illness, death in the family, or work engagement popped up. it IS a lot to consider. i think in the scheme of things, there probably aren't that many, and by keeping to this strict policy, it discourages any abuses and gets 10c tix in the hands of the most members who truly want to go, and want to plan to go from day one.

How about just not hitting anyone, period.

at least now this thread'll finally get locked :roll:

I work in retail and on the side volunteer at a music venue, so I can see both sides. Karen and the venue were just doing their job. They have bosses. And their bosses told them what they had to do. At the music venue I volunteer at, although it never gets major major huge bands, but, many times, I have to check stamps to make sure people paid, or make sure a door is used as exit only by attendees and used as exit or entry by band and merch people. So many times, people, will come up to the door and go, "so I can go out the door, but I cant go back in the same door? Cant you bend the rules for me"? The answer is always no. Its like people are deaf. My boss at the venue told me what I need to do. Why would I not follow those instructions. Karen had instructions it seems from 10 club and the venue itself. She followed those rules.

On the other hand, yes, I can imagine this would be upsetting. You called the 10 club and asked for the preocedure and how to deal with your friend missing the gig.

I can see your side, and karens side

aNiMaL wrote:

reflectedfromafar wrote:

Not being privy to the conversation that said a proxy would be enough, I can't say whether this is what was meant or acknowledged. But I have to look at it from "Karen's" side - if someone produces a letter and a photocopy of someone's ID, and she had not been made aware prior that this person would be coming to do this, I can see her skepticism. These are not things that would be hard to procure. And a voice on the phone is just that, a voice on the phone.


None of us were there except the parties involved, but I think the OP is barking up the wrong tree to call out the band or even 10C for the situation he found himself in. Maybe the situation could have been handled differently as well, possibly from both sides, as we don't know how he or she actually handled the situation. And it sounds like they may have helped him get some (by his account) good tickets, so he wasn't left entirely high and dry.

And how many 10C members had no trouble getting their tickets that day ? You can't take this one person's take on the situation he found himself in to color the entire organization. That's ridiculous.

Logic and reason right there. Well said, reflectedfromafar.

Aw, shucks, I have my moments...