First of all being in college and affording stuff can be rough. I left home at 18...moved to Boston and put my self through college. I worked 2 jobs, and sometimes would go to Dead shows with my hand made Jewerely and sell my wares to pay the rent. (I was an art mayjor.) My first Pearl Jam Show was in 92 in Mansfield Ma at Lallpolloza. I picked up a couple of extra shifts waiting on tables to buy a ticket and a tee shirt. I still have that fadded old tee shirt as it ment so much. I also made enough money to go to Martha's Vineyard for the weekend! That was a BIG DEAL for me.
I have had my own business for 18 years...I work my ASS OFF! There have been years where I couldn't go see Pearl Jam...I had to make that choice, there have been good years and bad years...I've come to realize that is life. I choice to be self employed and take the many freedoms and barriers that come from that.
Last year I was shut out of all the presales...I was trying to buy online at the times they said and I never got through not even to one show last year. That didn't stop me. I showed up to 2 different shows in 2 different towns and ended up with good tickets form 10 clubbers both nights...for face value...Actually I scored 10th row for DC! Did it for Eddie Vedder too! I just decided to go and that I would get tickets and I did. Would I of liked to gone to MSG and MA and CONN too? Fuck yes! I couldn't take the time from work...that to was my choice...I was greatful that I got to see them twice last summer and EV too.
This year it has been much better. Got to see EV 2 nights in a row 3rd row each night! Have night 2 for Chicago and all four nights for Philly with 10 club tickets. I missed the presale for Chiacgo night one...I was working and not checking the board everyday. After that I started making sure that I check everyday...sometimes more then once! I'm flying to Chicago on Sunday ticketless for that night...I just KNOW it will work out and I'll get seats!!!!
Nothing else compares to Pearl Jam shows...they make me feel alive...they raise me to a level of pure happiness...there are not many things in life that have that I can say that about.
So through the years with the ups and downs of life I'm still following around my favorite band...some years I get to see them more then others...this is a good year...
The only show I was even unable to get Ten Club tickets for was The Vic...which a buddy of mine got and took me so it all worked out. It does take a little commitment to checking the board/emails frequently during times of tour.
I try to attend about 3-5 shows per tour. I have a far worse Stones habit (usually 20 shows per tour), but I am trying to incorporate more business trips around PJ's tour.
There's Pearl Jam, The Rolling Stones, Chuck Berry, Robert Johnson......and then everybody else.
The only show I was even unable to get Ten Club tickets for was The Vic...which a buddy of mine got and took me so it all worked out. It does take a little commitment to checking the board/emails frequently during times of tour.
I try to attend about 3-5 shows per tour. I have a far worse Stones habit (usually 20 shows per tour), but I am trying to incorporate more business trips around PJ's tour.
During a Stones Tour, are the sets always pretty much the same?
I've seen a couple shows, but I resisted going back to back, at the time cause I thought I had read that they only flip flopped one song every other show or two?
If that is the case what is the draw to see so many shows?
The only show I was even unable to get Ten Club tickets for was The Vic...which a buddy of mine got and took me so it all worked out. It does take a little commitment to checking the board/emails frequently during times of tour.
I try to attend about 3-5 shows per tour. I have a far worse Stones habit (usually 20 shows per tour), but I am trying to incorporate more business trips around PJ's tour.
During a Stones Tour, are the sets always pretty much the same?
I've seen a couple shows, but I resisted going back to back, at the time cause I thought I had read that they only flip flopped one song every other show or two?
If that is the case what is the draw to see so many shows?
Depends on what City they are in. When they are in cities they've played several times (Chicago, NYC, Boston, Vegas, etc) you will see about 4-7 songs swapped out each night. Keith Richards rotates his two songs quite a bit and they'll rotate a few rarities in early in the set and on the B stage (ie Sway, Live with Me, Monkey Man, Can't You Hear Me Knocking, etc)
They are not even close to what PJ does with their sets, but they do switch it up a bit. In all of the tours I've attended multiple shows, I've never seen an exact repeat set and I've been to 75-100 shows.
There's Pearl Jam, The Rolling Stones, Chuck Berry, Robert Johnson......and then everybody else.
The only show I was even unable to get Ten Club tickets for was The Vic...which a buddy of mine got and took me so it all worked out. It does take a little commitment to checking the board/emails frequently during times of tour.
I try to attend about 3-5 shows per tour. I have a far worse Stones habit (usually 20 shows per tour), but I am trying to incorporate more business trips around PJ's tour.
During a Stones Tour, are the sets always pretty much the same?
I've seen a couple shows, but I resisted going back to back, at the time cause I thought I had read that they only flip flopped one song every other show or two?
If that is the case what is the draw to see so many shows?
Depends on what City they are in. When they are in cities they've played several times (Chicago, NYC, Boston, Vegas, etc) you will see about 4-7 songs swapped out each night. Keith Richards rotates his two songs quite a bit and they'll rotate a few rarities in early in the set and on the B stage (ie Sway, Live with Me, Monkey Man, Can't You Hear Me Knocking, etc)
They are not even close to what PJ does with their sets, but they do switch it up a bit. In all of the tours I've attended multiple shows, I've never seen an exact repeat set and I've been to 75-100 shows.
Nice. That is good to know. They put on quite a show. I saw the Voodoo Lounge tour, and then saw them at the Fleet Center in Boston.
The Fleet Center show was awesome. The other one was at Foxboro Stadium and I had TERRIBLE seats, so I didn't love it.
The only show I was even unable to get Ten Club tickets for was The Vic...which a buddy of mine got and took me so it all worked out. It does take a little commitment to checking the board/emails frequently during times of tour.
I try to attend about 3-5 shows per tour. I have a far worse Stones habit (usually 20 shows per tour), but I am trying to incorporate more business trips around PJ's tour.
During a Stones Tour, are the sets always pretty much the same?
I've seen a couple shows, but I resisted going back to back, at the time cause I thought I had read that they only flip flopped one song every other show or two?
If that is the case what is the draw to see so many shows?
back to back in the same city is the best to go to for the Stones as Mick does take special care to rotate the setlists. See Below:
1-23-06 Chicago:
SETLIST
1 Jumping Jack Flash
2 Let's Spend the Night Together
3 It's Only Rock 'n' ROll
4 Oh No Not You Again
5 As Tears Go By
6 Rain Fall Down
7 All Down the Line
8 Tumbling Dice
9 Gimme Shelter
Intros
10 This Place Is Empty
11 Happy
12 Miss You
13 Start Me Up
14 Get Off My Cloud
15 Honky Tonk Women
16 Sympathy for the Devil
17 Paint It, Black
18 Brown Sugar
19 You Can't Always Get What You Want
20 I Can't Get No Satisfaction, with a little Mustang Sally thrown in
1-25-06
1; JJF
2; IORR
3;Rough Justice
4;LOVE IS STRONG
5;MEMORY MOTEL
6; RAIN FALL DOWN
7; AIN'T TOO PROUD TOO BEG
8; MIDNIGHT RAMBLER
9; TUMBLING DICE
~INTROS~
10; THIS PLACE IS EMPTY (Keith)
11;HAPPY (Keith)
12;MISS YOU **B-Stage moves out**
13; RESPECTABLE *B STAGE*
14; GET OFF MY CLOUD!*B STAGE*
15;HTW**B STAGE MOVES BACK**
16; SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL
17;START ME UP
18; BROWN SUGAR
19; YCAGWYW
20;SATISFACTION
Note: I had to leave the 1/25 show during Get Off My Cloud as my wife went into labor a month early....I did get to the hospital before she did!
There's Pearl Jam, The Rolling Stones, Chuck Berry, Robert Johnson......and then everybody else.
I guess my biggest gripe here is how i purchased a TC membership to avoid what happened last year (me scrambling for tickets last second on ticketmaster). I was under the impression that if I bought a membership i would be guaranteed the opportunity to purchase tickets before the public on-sale and this was clearly not the case. The point where i really became upset however was yesterday afternoon when i called the venue for friday and they told me that "absolutely no more tickets would be released".
Here's to next tour i guess
well yes, it does guarantee you the oppertunity to purchase tickets before the general public
it does not guarantee you getting tickets
remember... there are always tickets. and you will not have to pay an arm and a leg for them.
I guess my biggest gripe here is how i purchased a TC membership to avoid what happened last year (me scrambling for tickets last second on ticketmaster). I was under the impression that if I bought a membership i would be guaranteed the opportunity to purchase tickets before the public on-sale and this was clearly not the case. The point where i really became upset however was yesterday afternoon when i called the venue for friday and they told me that "absolutely no more tickets would be released".
Here's to next tour i guess
well yes, it does guarantee you the oppertunity to purchase tickets before the general public
it does not guarantee you getting tickets
remember... there are always tickets. and you will not have to pay an arm and a leg for them.
ummmm... yeah? exactly?
where there's a will there's a way!
toronto isn't an intimate show is it? why give up now? instead of bitching on the thread about how you didnt get tickets, why wouldn't you construct your time more positively and start searching for tickets?
i'm going to 4 shows and i'm not apologizin'
most of them are in a 2 hour radius, ones a home towner, and i can't wait to see my outta town friends, new and old! THATS WHAT MAKES THE EXPERIENCE!
I guess my biggest gripe here is how i purchased a TC membership to avoid what happened last year (me scrambling for tickets last second on ticketmaster). I was under the impression that if I bought a membership i would be guaranteed the opportunity to purchase tickets before the public on-sale and this was clearly not the case. The point where i really became upset however was yesterday afternoon when i called the venue for friday and they told me that "absolutely no more tickets would be released".
Here's to next tour i guess
well yes, it does guarantee you the oppertunity to purchase tickets before the general public
it does not guarantee you getting tickets
remember... there are always tickets. and you will not have to pay an arm and a leg for them.
ummmm... yeah? exactly?
where there's a will there's a way!
toronto isn't an intimate show is it? why give up now? instead of bitching on the thread about how you didnt get tickets, why wouldn't you construct your time more positively and start searching for tickets?
i'm going to 4 shows and i'm not apologizin'
most of them are in a 2 hour radius, ones a home towner, and i can't wait to see my outta town friends, new and old! THATS WHAT MAKES THE EXPERIENCE!
i am an outta town friend of your's seeing them in your town!!
Man, there are some harsh people on this board.
The comment about getting a job, I mean, jeezawhiz. Maybe you don't know this, little man, but there are millions of your fellow humans out of work in this country. That means people who cannot find a job. It does not mean people who won't work a job. You can "plan" all you want, but no one can plan for misfortune. You will learn this as you get older, I hope.
I have to say I'm disappointed hearing this "I got mine" attitude from PJ fans. (Yeah, I know, it's a free country, and we can all buy as many tickets as we like.) And the fellow with all the advice, the one who shared his wisdom about getting a job and planning, well, I would love to bump into you at a show here in NYC sometime.
Ahhahahahahahahahaha.....You want to bump into me? I'm speechless! I have never had anyone ask to meet me before...glad I made an impression! I can just sign something and send it to you if that would be easier.....And, the guy that I loaned all that advice to (notice I didnt charge him my dear Abby fee because of the economy!! - you gotta give me some points there) well, maybe he can send me one of his empty Kleenex boxes and I can sign that, or maybe you have a spare plan to save the world that I can put my John Hancock on.
Oh yeah, I like the neat twist to your post- you are disappointed with our attitudes, so you fix it by making an ominous suggestion we meet up sometime. Are you offering me a New York knuckle sandwich? Not sure what angle to take here, so I will just say that I think you probably have a small penis and man boobs. On a scale of one to ten, how close am I??? A Four? Is that with 1 being the closest? Anyway, I dont eat shit sandwiches, so I will have to pass.
And my final tidbit for the night......would love to know how many people you have sponsored to go to a Pearl Jam show. What was that? did you say 7? Sorry, I cant tell what you said with that fourteen pound Pastrami sandwich stuck on your chin. Oh, ZERO????? Tell you what, go outside, grab a loaf of bread and some extra people to finish that sandwich........we can then talk about anything on your mind.
Signed, Little Man
Formally known as Tackalac before being formally known as Vedderwt,,,,....release my old name and posts....
I saw a wino eating grapes, I said, "Dude, you have to wait"
with all due respect, almost everyone starts out by not getting it.
I agree. I mean I have always loved the music but until I finally saw them live (yes I too had to wait a good number of years myself) I too didnt get it.
Dont worry, your day will come. And when it does..you'll hit the ground running and never look back!!
Secondly, to whoever told me to get a job: I am a college student and the entire point of going to school is so someday i can get a job. But until then i am living on a very fixed income.
And finally, I was un aware of when the presale started. Sometime around may im guessing, a time i am very busy and do not check this site often.
But then this brings up another question. What about ten club members without access to a computer or internet? Are they to be denied the opportunity to get pre sale tickets? Why should a fan be screwed if they do not have a computer?
I'm not going to read all the responses to this, so sorry if this has been said. I recieved an email telling me when pre-sale was going to be. At that time I was only checking this site every couple of weeks. With that said, I am only going to the Chicago shows, so you don't have a beef with me anyway.
I can think of a few people who I can say should stay the eff home...
as for me..I am going to all 4 Philly shows and thats good enough for me this tour. Dont need to fly across country and see them...dont need to fly to Chicago or Toronto...I got 4 awesome shows coming to my town and Im happy
I did not start this thread out of nastiness or to diss any one on this board. I signed my original message on this topic "with respect", meaning I respect all of your decisions to go to multiple shows and travel to see the band.
That being said, I hoped for the same respect from you. Thanks to everyone who gave me tips for how to score tickets for next time but to those who were not so kind to me, your comments were unnecessary.
I guess my biggest gripe here is how i purchased a TC membership to avoid what happened last year (me scrambling for tickets last second on ticketmaster). I was under the impression that if I bought a membership i would be guaranteed the opportunity to purchase tickets before the public on-sale and this was clearly not the case. The point where i really became upset however was yesterday afternoon when i called the venue for friday and they told me that "absolutely no more tickets would be released".
Here's to next tour i guess
Some people can be unnecessarily harsh on this board, but what they're saying is accurate. First of all, it seems as though your issue has changed mid-thread here.. when you started this thread, it seemed as though your beef was with the fans for buying tickets for too many shows. Now, it seems as though you're finding fault in Ten Club's announcement policy. I'm hoping your next post is a realization that there's no one to blame in particular, but you simply have to accept that your circumstances didn't allow you to buy tickets for this show. This is not the Ten Club's fault, and this is not our fault. I'm sorry it isn't working out for you, and hope you can come across a ticket for yourself.
'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
As for me the Toronto/Chicago I and II, and all 4 Philly shows will be close to 50 shows now. As for why i go to so many show......simple Economics. I earn money to spend. I can spend MY money on ANYTHING i want. If I choose to spend it on Pearl Jam shows....then i'm sorry.
When the band 1st came out I was a poor college student. I did whatever i had to to get to the shows.
Sorry for your problem. Finish college and get a good paying job then start buying more tickets....you have alot of catching up to do.
In response to the original question, no, of course I don't 'need' to go - but I like to. I save for it. I live a frugal lifestyle that allows me to do it, and its a time in my life when I can. I never got to go in the 90's. Work/family/kids didn't allow it. Regarding getting announcements, I don't spend as much time on this board as I used to, but I love Pearl Jam, and even when PJ is on down time, I do make a habit of checking the board at least every 1-2 days. When I start to see tour rumors, I check much more frequently so I don't miss out.
R.i.p. Rigoberto Alpizar.
R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 2008
First off, I fully agree that anyone has the right to spend their money on anything they like, no problem there. I think the real issue (and the only way to correct it) lies within the 10C and the ticket policy...
It is incredibly clear, and has been becoming more and more clear over the last few years/tours, that the one additional change that 10C needs to make to the ticket policy is limiting the number of shows that each member is allowed to buy tickets to. I once saw another member write that each member should be allowed to buy a pair of tickets to (2) shows per tour, and I couldn't agree more with this.
What this would do is simple: it would very much add an additional facet or level of depth to the seniority scheme as it would prevent the same group of (and I am quoting another member on this from another thread, as it was hilarious) "traveling assholes" with top level seniority from being right up front for every show. So, what happens is that those members who are of the highest level of seniority at the location of the show, or in other words in their hometown, would end up with the best tickets, as opposed to being pushed back by the travelers. This adds much more weight and reinforcement to each member's seniority, especially when most people can't/don't want to travel tons of shows. And I think having a limit of 2 works out, especially if you happen to live in a city where the band happens to be playing more than 1 show on that tour...and if not, then you get to try for 10C tickets in another city. An additional bonus for the club is that it would GREATLY help them avoid the mega-crush that their servers get for each batch of ticket sales - currently you have half the friggin fan club trying to get tickets to every show, as opposed to making most people prioritize which ones they try to get tickets for. AND you won't have to hear people bitching about not getting tickets for one show after they already scored tickets for the half dozen others shows that went on say previously (yeah, boo hoo).
Either way, I do applaud what 10C has done to this point, HOWEVER, until they apply this limit they have a very glaring hole in the system.
fuck yeah! it was the 80s. adult men and women asked me for recommendations. true story. i came really close to meeting traci lords right before it came out that she was a minor. my boss wouldn't take me because he didnt want her to think i was his son. he brought me back an autograph...it said "hugs and kisses, traci lords."
Yeah I was working at one at the same time. The faces on people when they rent porn is fantastic! Never looked you in the eye. Hid it under a copy of the latest releases. Have a seperate account from their families. Calling a wife when a film was late and her asking you to repeat the title because she did not rent it.
I do remember the day vividly when the Traci Lords age thing came out and having to pull all her titles from the shelves. Probably the most requests we ever had for porn, were over those next two weeks
Best part was getting to take out movies overnight after the stores closed. Probably had the most friends while I worked there.
Well it is completely clear, and has been becoming more and more clear over the last few years/tours, that the one additional chance that 10C needs to make to the ticket policy is limiting the number of shows that each member is allowed to buy tickets to. I once saw another member write that each member should be allowed to buy a pair of tickets to (2) shows per tour, and I couldn't agree more with this.
What this would do is simple: it would very much add an additional facet or level of depth to the seniority scheme as it would prevent the same group of (and I am quoting another member on this from another thread, as it was hilarious) "traveling assholes" with top level seniority from being right up front for every show. So, what happens is that those members who are of the highest level of seniority at the location of the show, or in other words in their hometown, would end up with the best tickets, as opposed to being pushed back by the travelers. This adds much more weight and reinforcement to each member's seniority, especially when most people can't/don't want to travel tons of shows. And I think having a limit of 2 works out, especially if you happen to live in a city where the band happens to be playing more than 1 show on that tour...and if not, then you get to try for 10C tickets in another city. An additional bonus for the club is that it would GREATLY help them avoid the mega-crush that their servers get for each batch of ticket sales - currently you have half the friggin fan club trying to get tickets to every show, as opposed to making most people prioritize which ones they try to get tickets for. AND you won't have to hear people bitching about not getting tickets for one show after they already scored tickets for the half dozen others shows that went on say previously (yeah, boo hoo).
Either way, I do applaud what 10C has done to this point, HOWEVER, until they apply this limit they have a very glaring hole in the system.
I disagree with this- and this argument comes everytime 1 show or city is highly in demand. Also, If PJ does a full tour of the whole country, this does not happen. As was the case in 2008, MSG were the two shows everyone wanted, yet the southern shows were available right until the ticketmaster sale. A lot of people are taking vacations to the east and west coast because these shows are it. The Toronto tickets that started this thread were available for a long time. As to the argument for the people always in the front- that was why the lottery was put in place. There is no need for a limit everyone just to protect people in NY, Philly, LA or Seattle. The traveling fans actually help them sell more tickets.
...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
First off, I fully agree that anyone has the right to spend their money on anything they like, no problem there. I think the real issue (and the only way to correct it) lies within the 10C and the ticket policy...
It is incredibly clear, and has been becoming more and more clear over the last few years/tours, that the one additional change that 10C needs to make to the ticket policy is limiting the number of shows that each member is allowed to buy tickets to. I once saw another member write that each member should be allowed to buy a pair of tickets to (2) shows per tour, and I couldn't agree more with this.
What this would do is simple: it would very much add an additional facet or level of depth to the seniority scheme as it would prevent the same group of (and I am quoting another member on this from another thread, as it was hilarious) "traveling assholes" with top level seniority from being right up front for every show. So, what happens is that those members who are of the highest level of seniority at the location of the show, or in other words in their hometown, would end up with the best tickets, as opposed to being pushed back by the travelers. This adds much more weight and reinforcement to each member's seniority, especially when most people can't/don't want to travel tons of shows. And I think having a limit of 2 works out, especially if you happen to live in a city where the band happens to be playing more than 1 show on that tour...and if not, then you get to try for 10C tickets in another city. An additional bonus for the club is that it would GREATLY help them avoid the mega-crush that their servers get for each batch of ticket sales - currently you have half the friggin fan club trying to get tickets to every show, as opposed to making most people prioritize which ones they try to get tickets for. AND you won't have to hear people bitching about not getting tickets for one show after they already scored tickets for the half dozen others shows that went on say previously (yeah, boo hoo).
Either way, I do applaud what 10C has done to this point, HOWEVER, until they apply this limit they have a very glaring hole in the system.
personally, i disagree on limits. i have a mediocre 10c #, and i have traveled to 5 other countries, numerous states, etc.....all with 10c tix. i love combining travel and pj, and while my # isn't great by any stretch, i just like having 10c tix in hand.
also, by limiting the # of shows one may purchase, it 'rewards' fans in less-populated, less fan-club member areas, making it easier for them to score and perhaps encouraging more travel to those who see this opportunity.....and makes it tougher for those in highly-populated, heavy fan-club member areas to get tix to their 'hometown' shows. many fans don't travel either, so if they want to attend their hometown show that happens to be in a big pj market, will make it even more difficult than now to score tix.
beyond that, the way pj has been announcing tours lately, a few shows at a time, would be an absolute nightmare. personally, i think pj likes the traveling fans and i am sure it all helps the bottom-line. sure, the vast majority at a show probably aren't travelers, but i definitely think enough are especially amongst 10c members.
we ALL have an equal chance of scoring tickets. there is a limited # available at any given show. some shows are higher demand than others. people will always get shut out. it is what it is. i am quite pleased with all the changes 10c has put into effect that benefit the fanbase so much, but i am definitely not in favor of limiting access to one-show only. just my 0.02.
fuck yeah! it was the 80s. adult men and women asked me for recommendations. true story. i came really close to meeting traci lords right before it came out that she was a minor. my boss wouldn't take me because he didnt want her to think i was his son. he brought me back an autograph...it said "hugs and kisses, traci lords."
Yeah I was working at one at the same time. The faces on people when they rent porn is fantastic! Never looked you in the eye. Hid it under a copy of the latest releases. Have a seperate account from their families. Calling a wife when a film was late and her asking you to repeat the title because she did not rent it.
I do remember the day vividly when the Traci Lords age thing came out and having to pull all her titles from the shelves. Probably the most requests we ever had for porn, were over those next two weeks
Best part was getting to take out movies overnight after the stores closed. Probably had the most friends while I worked there.
free movies and no late charges made ya a lot of friends pre-internet. lol.
my boss continued to rent her films out of the back room after they were pulled off the shelves, the sleazy fuck.
fuck yeah! it was the 80s. adult men and women asked me for recommendations. true story. i came really close to meeting traci lords right before it came out that she was a minor. my boss wouldn't take me because he didnt want her to think i was his son. he brought me back an autograph...it said "hugs and kisses, traci lords."
Yeah I was working at one at the same time. The faces on people when they rent porn is fantastic! Never looked you in the eye. Hid it under a copy of the latest releases. Have a seperate account from their families. Calling a wife when a film was late and her asking you to repeat the title because she did not rent it.
I do remember the day vividly when the Traci Lords age thing came out and having to pull all her titles from the shelves. Probably the most requests we ever had for porn, were over those next two weeks
Best part was getting to take out movies overnight after the stores closed. Probably had the most friends while I worked there.
free movies and no late charges made ya a lot of friends pre-internet. lol.
my boss continued to rent her films out of the back room after they were pulled off the shelves, the sleazy fuck.
LMAO!! I will say that we did not return those titles as quickly as possible :twisted:
First off, I fully agree that anyone has the right to spend their money on anything they like, no problem there. I think the real issue (and the only way to correct it) lies within the 10C and the ticket policy...
It is incredibly clear, and has been becoming more and more clear over the last few years/tours, that the one additional change that 10C needs to make to the ticket policy is limiting the number of shows that each member is allowed to buy tickets to. I once saw another member write that each member should be allowed to buy a pair of tickets to (2) shows per tour, and I couldn't agree more with this.
What this would do is simple: it would very much add an additional facet or level of depth to the seniority scheme as it would prevent the same group of (and I am quoting another member on this from another thread, as it was hilarious) "traveling assholes" with top level seniority from being right up front for every show. So, what happens is that those members who are of the highest level of seniority at the location of the show, or in other words in their hometown, would end up with the best tickets, as opposed to being pushed back by the travelers. This adds much more weight and reinforcement to each member's seniority, especially when most people can't/don't want to travel tons of shows. And I think having a limit of 2 works out, especially if you happen to live in a city where the band happens to be playing more than 1 show on that tour...and if not, then you get to try for 10C tickets in another city. An additional bonus for the club is that it would GREATLY help them avoid the mega-crush that their servers get for each batch of ticket sales - currently you have half the friggin fan club trying to get tickets to every show, as opposed to making most people prioritize which ones they try to get tickets for. AND you won't have to hear people bitching about not getting tickets for one show after they already scored tickets for the half dozen others shows that went on say previously (yeah, boo hoo).
Either way, I do applaud what 10C has done to this point, HOWEVER, until they apply this limit they have a very glaring hole in the system.
This latest round of Ten Club ticket sales seemed to me, to be the smoothest one yet. Very few people had legitimate gripes. Most of the shows were available for an extended amount of time, and many, many reached the availability deadline with the BUY IT button still available.
For the first time in a long time everything worked great. Sure, maybe you didn't get all 4 shows in Philly, but show me someone that didn't get any?
LA 4 was available for ever. Anyone who wanted an LA ticket got one. (granted you could only get one LA show, but that is just an example of the Ten Club adjusting to suit everyone's needs).
The band seems to encourage and appreciate that they have a traveling fan base. The current ticket policy encourages that, and they even set up flight and hotel packages.
This is FAR from a glaring hole in the system. It is the preferred system of the Ten Club and most fans.
Sure we might not always get tickets, but any rational fan understands this, and simply does what it takes to get a ticket. Usually this means getting a spare off the board, but sometimes means going to the TM sale.
I love the system as it is. I love the lottery aspect, I love the seniority aspect, I love being able to buy Ten Club tickets for multiple shows, I love to travel.
I think the system as it now stands is a good as it has ever been. Could it be better, I'm sure, and I'm sure they will continue to tweak it, but limiting fans to 1 show is a terrible idea IMO.
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This latest round of Ten Club ticket sales seemed to me, to be the smoothest one yet. Very few people had legitimate gripes. Most of the shows were available for an extended amount of time, and many, many reached the availability deadline with the BUY IT button still available.
For the first time in a long time everything worked great. Sure, maybe you didn't get all 4 shows in Philly, but show me someone that didn't get any?
LA 4 was available for ever. Anyone who wanted an LA ticket got one. (granted you could only get one LA show, but that is just an example of the Ten Club adjusting to suit everyone's needs).
The band seems to encourage and appreciate that they have a traveling fan base. The current ticket policy encourages that, and they even set up fligt and hotel packages.
This is FAR from a glaring hole in the system. It is the preferred system of the Ten Club and most fans.
Sure we might not always get tickets, but any rational fan understands this, and simply does what it takes to get a ticket. Usually this means getting a spare off the board, but sometimes means going to the TM sale.
I love the system as it is. I love the lottery aspect, I love the seniority aspect, I love being able to buy Ten Club tickets for multiple shows, I love to travel.
I think the system as it now stands is a good as it has ever been. Could it be better, I'm sure, and I'm sure they will continue to tweak it, but limiting fans to 1 show is a terrible idea IMO.
This latest round of Ten Club ticket sales seemed to me, to be the smoothest one yet. Very few people had legitimate gripes. Most of the shows were available for an extended amount of time, and many, many reached the availability deadline with the BUY IT button still available.
For the first time in a long time everything worked great. Sure, maybe you didn't get all 4 shows in Philly, but show me someone that didn't get any?
LA 4 was available for ever. Anyone who wanted an LA ticket got one. (granted you could only get one LA show, but that is just an example of the Ten Club adjusting to suit everyone's needs).
The band seems to encourage and appreciate that they have a traveling fan base. The current ticket policy encourages that, and they even set up flight and hotel packages.
This is FAR from a glaring hole in the system. It is the preferred system of the Ten Club and most fans.
Sure we might not always get tickets, but any rational fan understands this, and simply does what it takes to get a ticket. Usually this means getting a spare off the board, but sometimes means going to the TM sale.
I love the system as it is. I love the lottery aspect, I love the seniority aspect, I love being able to buy Ten Club tickets for multiple shows, I love to travel.
I think the system as it now stands is a good as it has ever been. Could it be better, I'm sure, and I'm sure they will continue to tweak it, but limiting fans to 1 show is a terrible idea IMO.
Very well put. As one of the traveling assholes with a good 10C number, I realize the misery I inflict on countless lives every time a tour is announced and I decide to leave my 20 mile radius. That said, it is because of insufferable douchebags like myself that the band is able to pull off multiple nights in some of the larger markets. It is extraordinarily rare for a band to have such a devoted fanbase and nurturing that allows this whole thing to thrive, grow, and progress.
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I have had my own business for 18 years...I work my ASS OFF! There have been years where I couldn't go see Pearl Jam...I had to make that choice, there have been good years and bad years...I've come to realize that is life. I choice to be self employed and take the many freedoms and barriers that come from that.
Last year I was shut out of all the presales...I was trying to buy online at the times they said and I never got through not even to one show last year. That didn't stop me. I showed up to 2 different shows in 2 different towns and ended up with good tickets form 10 clubbers both nights...for face value...Actually I scored 10th row for DC! Did it for Eddie Vedder too! I just decided to go and that I would get tickets and I did. Would I of liked to gone to MSG and MA and CONN too? Fuck yes! I couldn't take the time from work...that to was my choice...I was greatful that I got to see them twice last summer and EV too.
This year it has been much better. Got to see EV 2 nights in a row 3rd row each night! Have night 2 for Chicago and all four nights for Philly with 10 club tickets. I missed the presale for Chiacgo night one...I was working and not checking the board everyday. After that I started making sure that I check everyday...sometimes more then once! I'm flying to Chicago on Sunday ticketless for that night...I just KNOW it will work out and I'll get seats!!!!
Nothing else compares to Pearl Jam shows...they make me feel alive...they raise me to a level of pure happiness...there are not many things in life that have that I can say that about.
So through the years with the ups and downs of life I'm still following around my favorite band...some years I get to see them more then others...this is a good year...
I try to attend about 3-5 shows per tour. I have a far worse Stones habit (usually 20 shows per tour), but I am trying to incorporate more business trips around PJ's tour.
During a Stones Tour, are the sets always pretty much the same?
I've seen a couple shows, but I resisted going back to back, at the time cause I thought I had read that they only flip flopped one song every other show or two?
If that is the case what is the draw to see so many shows?
Depends on what City they are in. When they are in cities they've played several times (Chicago, NYC, Boston, Vegas, etc) you will see about 4-7 songs swapped out each night. Keith Richards rotates his two songs quite a bit and they'll rotate a few rarities in early in the set and on the B stage (ie Sway, Live with Me, Monkey Man, Can't You Hear Me Knocking, etc)
They are not even close to what PJ does with their sets, but they do switch it up a bit. In all of the tours I've attended multiple shows, I've never seen an exact repeat set and I've been to 75-100 shows.
Nice. That is good to know. They put on quite a show. I saw the Voodoo Lounge tour, and then saw them at the Fleet Center in Boston.
The Fleet Center show was awesome. The other one was at Foxboro Stadium and I had TERRIBLE seats, so I didn't love it.
Hope to see them again some day.
back to back in the same city is the best to go to for the Stones as Mick does take special care to rotate the setlists. See Below:
1-23-06 Chicago:
SETLIST
1 Jumping Jack Flash
2 Let's Spend the Night Together
3 It's Only Rock 'n' ROll
4 Oh No Not You Again
5 As Tears Go By
6 Rain Fall Down
7 All Down the Line
8 Tumbling Dice
9 Gimme Shelter
Intros
10 This Place Is Empty
11 Happy
12 Miss You
13 Start Me Up
14 Get Off My Cloud
15 Honky Tonk Women
16 Sympathy for the Devil
17 Paint It, Black
18 Brown Sugar
19 You Can't Always Get What You Want
20 I Can't Get No Satisfaction, with a little Mustang Sally thrown in
1-25-06
1; JJF
2; IORR
3;Rough Justice
4;LOVE IS STRONG
5;MEMORY MOTEL
6; RAIN FALL DOWN
7; AIN'T TOO PROUD TOO BEG
8; MIDNIGHT RAMBLER
9; TUMBLING DICE
~INTROS~
10; THIS PLACE IS EMPTY (Keith)
11;HAPPY (Keith)
12;MISS YOU **B-Stage moves out**
13; RESPECTABLE *B STAGE*
14; GET OFF MY CLOUD!*B STAGE*
15;HTW**B STAGE MOVES BACK**
16; SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL
17;START ME UP
18; BROWN SUGAR
19; YCAGWYW
20;SATISFACTION
Note: I had to leave the 1/25 show during Get Off My Cloud as my wife went into labor a month early....I did get to the hospital before she did!
The Fleet Center show was awesome. The other one was at Foxboro Stadium and I had TERRIBLE seats, so I didn't love it.
Hope to see them again some day.[/quote]
PM me if you'd like the boots to those shows, I should have them, if not, I'll send you some great shows from those tours.
well yes, it does guarantee you the oppertunity to purchase tickets before the general public
it does not guarantee you getting tickets
remember... there are always tickets. and you will not have to pay an arm and a leg for them.
I wave to all my Friends... Yeah!
where there's a will there's a way!
toronto isn't an intimate show is it? why give up now? instead of bitching on the thread about how you didnt get tickets, why wouldn't you construct your time more positively and start searching for tickets?
i'm going to 4 shows and i'm not apologizin'
most of them are in a 2 hour radius, ones a home towner, and i can't wait to see my outta town friends, new and old! THATS WHAT MAKES THE EXPERIENCE!
Ashbury Park 9/18/21
LA 5/06/21, 5/07/21
Phoenix 05/09/22
NYC 9/11/22
Denver 9/22/22
i am an outta town friend of your's seeing them in your town!!
I wave to all my Friends... Yeah!
Ahhahahahahahahahaha.....You want to bump into me? I'm speechless! I have never had anyone ask to meet me before...glad I made an impression! I can just sign something and send it to you if that would be easier.....And, the guy that I loaned all that advice to (notice I didnt charge him my dear Abby fee because of the economy!! - you gotta give me some points there) well, maybe he can send me one of his empty Kleenex boxes and I can sign that, or maybe you have a spare plan to save the world that I can put my John Hancock on.
Oh yeah, I like the neat twist to your post- you are disappointed with our attitudes, so you fix it by making an ominous suggestion we meet up sometime. Are you offering me a New York knuckle sandwich? Not sure what angle to take here, so I will just say that I think you probably have a small penis and man boobs. On a scale of one to ten, how close am I??? A Four? Is that with 1 being the closest? Anyway, I dont eat shit sandwiches, so I will have to pass.
And my final tidbit for the night......would love to know how many people you have sponsored to go to a Pearl Jam show. What was that? did you say 7? Sorry, I cant tell what you said with that fourteen pound Pastrami sandwich stuck on your chin. Oh, ZERO????? Tell you what, go outside, grab a loaf of bread and some extra people to finish that sandwich........we can then talk about anything on your mind.
Signed, Little Man
I saw a wino eating grapes, I said, "Dude, you have to wait"
I agree. I mean I have always loved the music but until I finally saw them live (yes I too had to wait a good number of years myself) I too didnt get it.
Dont worry, your day will come. And when it does..you'll hit the ground running and never look back!!
Philly 2 - 10/28/09 Philly 3 - 10/30/09
Philly 4 - 10/31/09
Boston 1 - 05/17/10
PruCenter - 05/18/10
MSG 1 - 05/20/10
MSG 2 - 05/21/10
Alpine1 - 09/03/11 Alpine2 - 09/04/11
I'm not going to read all the responses to this, so sorry if this has been said. I recieved an email telling me when pre-sale was going to be. At that time I was only checking this site every couple of weeks. With that said, I am only going to the Chicago shows, so you don't have a beef with me anyway.
as for me..I am going to all 4 Philly shows and thats good enough for me this tour. Dont need to fly across country and see them...dont need to fly to Chicago or Toronto...I got 4 awesome shows coming to my town and Im happy
9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
well..if you put it that way...me too...but since I didnt..its fo fo sho
9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
As for me the Toronto/Chicago I and II, and all 4 Philly shows will be close to 50 shows now. As for why i go to so many show......simple Economics. I earn money to spend. I can spend MY money on ANYTHING i want. If I choose to spend it on Pearl Jam shows....then i'm sorry.
When the band 1st came out I was a poor college student. I did whatever i had to to get to the shows.
Sorry for your problem. Finish college and get a good paying job then start buying more tickets....you have alot of catching up to do.
"This is the greatest band in the world"---Ben Harper
R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 2008
It is incredibly clear, and has been becoming more and more clear over the last few years/tours, that the one additional change that 10C needs to make to the ticket policy is limiting the number of shows that each member is allowed to buy tickets to. I once saw another member write that each member should be allowed to buy a pair of tickets to (2) shows per tour, and I couldn't agree more with this.
What this would do is simple: it would very much add an additional facet or level of depth to the seniority scheme as it would prevent the same group of (and I am quoting another member on this from another thread, as it was hilarious) "traveling assholes" with top level seniority from being right up front for every show. So, what happens is that those members who are of the highest level of seniority at the location of the show, or in other words in their hometown, would end up with the best tickets, as opposed to being pushed back by the travelers. This adds much more weight and reinforcement to each member's seniority, especially when most people can't/don't want to travel tons of shows. And I think having a limit of 2 works out, especially if you happen to live in a city where the band happens to be playing more than 1 show on that tour...and if not, then you get to try for 10C tickets in another city. An additional bonus for the club is that it would GREATLY help them avoid the mega-crush that their servers get for each batch of ticket sales - currently you have half the friggin fan club trying to get tickets to every show, as opposed to making most people prioritize which ones they try to get tickets for. AND you won't have to hear people bitching about not getting tickets for one show after they already scored tickets for the half dozen others shows that went on say previously (yeah, boo hoo).
Either way, I do applaud what 10C has done to this point, HOWEVER, until they apply this limit they have a very glaring hole in the system.
Yeah I was working at one at the same time. The faces on people when they rent porn is fantastic! Never looked you in the eye. Hid it under a copy of the latest releases. Have a seperate account from their families. Calling a wife when a film was late and her asking you to repeat the title because she did not rent it.
I do remember the day vividly when the Traci Lords age thing came out and having to pull all her titles from the shelves. Probably the most requests we ever had for porn, were over those next two weeks
Best part was getting to take out movies overnight after the stores closed. Probably had the most friends while I worked there.
I disagree with this- and this argument comes everytime 1 show or city is highly in demand. Also, If PJ does a full tour of the whole country, this does not happen. As was the case in 2008, MSG were the two shows everyone wanted, yet the southern shows were available right until the ticketmaster sale. A lot of people are taking vacations to the east and west coast because these shows are it. The Toronto tickets that started this thread were available for a long time. As to the argument for the people always in the front- that was why the lottery was put in place. There is no need for a limit everyone just to protect people in NY, Philly, LA or Seattle. The traveling fans actually help them sell more tickets.
personally, i disagree on limits. i have a mediocre 10c #, and i have traveled to 5 other countries, numerous states, etc.....all with 10c tix. i love combining travel and pj, and while my # isn't great by any stretch, i just like having 10c tix in hand.
also, by limiting the # of shows one may purchase, it 'rewards' fans in less-populated, less fan-club member areas, making it easier for them to score and perhaps encouraging more travel to those who see this opportunity.....and makes it tougher for those in highly-populated, heavy fan-club member areas to get tix to their 'hometown' shows. many fans don't travel either, so if they want to attend their hometown show that happens to be in a big pj market, will make it even more difficult than now to score tix.
beyond that, the way pj has been announcing tours lately, a few shows at a time, would be an absolute nightmare. personally, i think pj likes the traveling fans and i am sure it all helps the bottom-line. sure, the vast majority at a show probably aren't travelers, but i definitely think enough are especially amongst 10c members.
we ALL have an equal chance of scoring tickets. there is a limited # available at any given show. some shows are higher demand than others. people will always get shut out. it is what it is. i am quite pleased with all the changes 10c has put into effect that benefit the fanbase so much, but i am definitely not in favor of limiting access to one-show only. just my 0.02.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
free movies and no late charges made ya a lot of friends pre-internet. lol.
my boss continued to rent her films out of the back room after they were pulled off the shelves, the sleazy fuck.
This latest round of Ten Club ticket sales seemed to me, to be the smoothest one yet. Very few people had legitimate gripes. Most of the shows were available for an extended amount of time, and many, many reached the availability deadline with the BUY IT button still available.
For the first time in a long time everything worked great. Sure, maybe you didn't get all 4 shows in Philly, but show me someone that didn't get any?
LA 4 was available for ever. Anyone who wanted an LA ticket got one. (granted you could only get one LA show, but that is just an example of the Ten Club adjusting to suit everyone's needs).
The band seems to encourage and appreciate that they have a traveling fan base. The current ticket policy encourages that, and they even set up flight and hotel packages.
This is FAR from a glaring hole in the system. It is the preferred system of the Ten Club and most fans.
Sure we might not always get tickets, but any rational fan understands this, and simply does what it takes to get a ticket. Usually this means getting a spare off the board, but sometimes means going to the TM sale.
I love the system as it is. I love the lottery aspect, I love the seniority aspect, I love being able to buy Ten Club tickets for multiple shows, I love to travel.
I think the system as it now stands is a good as it has ever been. Could it be better, I'm sure, and I'm sure they will continue to tweak it, but limiting fans to 1 show is a terrible idea IMO.
excellent post.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Very well put. As one of the traveling assholes with a good 10C number, I realize the misery I inflict on countless lives every time a tour is announced and I decide to leave my 20 mile radius. That said, it is because of insufferable douchebags like myself that the band is able to pull off multiple nights in some of the larger markets. It is extraordinarily rare for a band to have such a devoted fanbase and nurturing that allows this whole thing to thrive, grow, and progress.