do you guys really need to go to so many shows on this tour?

decides2dream

Evolver wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

the current system is based on seniority, purely on seniority (outside the lottery rows). the fact that there are members with the means to travel and afford multiple shows in no way actully diminishes the seniority system, as seating is still based on seniority.

Ok, but please go back and ready my march madness example - can you honestly say that my bosses, with their 6-figure salaries, didn't have an advantage that they utilized every year to win the pool? Because this is exactly what occurs with the 10C.

yes, i did see your edit. and honestly, it doesn't matter. this isn't a work pool, we aren't all colleagues and friends, tho we are a community. and i will tell you this, MOST of the people that i know, including myself, who travel around to see pj.....even to different countries.....are FAR from rich! they scrimp and save, the save their vacation time, they plan and prioritize. THAt is how they go to multiple shows. are some who do so rich? i am sure there are. bottomline, joe down the street who can only afford to go to one concert has just as EQUAL a chance at scoring a 10c ticket as john from 5 states over who wants to go to 10. EQUAL CHANCE. that is all that matters. money doesn't give you a better shot of scoring a 10c ticket, it just simply gives you the means to try for multiple shows. and again, you don't need to be rich to do so...you just have to want it. if 10c ever enacted limits, sure i would accept it b/c i have no choice, but i definitely would NOT be happy about it.

phungi

phungi's road trip formula:

pearl jam tour(yes) + 10c membership active(CONSTANT) + ((salary/expenses)>0) + tickets scored(yes) + reliable car(YES) + pearl jam concert-going friend is "in"(CONSTANT) + wife will divorce me(NO) = ROADTRIP TO SHOW

phungi's philly show formula:

pearl jam tour(yes) + 10c membership active(CONSTANT) + ((salary/expenses)>0) + tickets scored(yes) + pearl jam concert-going friend is "in"(CONSTANT) + wife will divorce me(NO) + (if halloween(kids trick-or-treat sans dad(YES))) = ATTEND SHOW

at no time do the following factors come into play when deciding to attend:
J_LAWN fairness to others quotient
J_LAWN selfishness scale
J_LAWN neediness quotient
J_LAWN consideration for others scale
already scored tickets this tour
too many shows this tour
will be tired tomorrow

YMMV

OffMeGoes

Evolver wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

the current system is based on seniority, purely on seniority (outside the lottery rows). the fact that there are members with the means to travel and afford multiple shows in no way actully diminishes the seniority system, as seating is still based on seniority.

Ok, but please go back and ready my march madness example - can you honestly say that my bosses, with their 6-figure salaries, didn't have an advantage that they utilized every year to win the pool? Because this is exactly what occurs with the 10C.

Look, my 8 figure salary will buy anyone a ticket to any show they want. Just PM me and we can finally All Get Along. Cant we All just Get Along???? Dead serious, PM me the date and seat you want, I'll find it on Ebay and get it to you asap. You GOTTA GIVE ME YOUR mailing address so I can overnight the tickets directly to you.

In Fact, I submitted a bid with Kelly Curtis to host 2 shows, all free entrance, ON MY DIME. The only problem is that my hometown is Trona, California. (look it up, hell of a place). Only Rule: ONLY ONE SHOW PER PERSON. YES, that includes people that travel 3,000 miles...ONLY ONE.

decides2dream

Vedderwt wrote:

Evolver wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

the current system is based on seniority, purely on seniority (outside the lottery rows). the fact that there are members with the means to travel and afford multiple shows in no way actully diminishes the seniority system, as seating is still based on seniority.

Ok, but please go back and ready my march madness example - can you honestly say that my bosses, with their 6-figure salaries, didn't have an advantage that they utilized every year to win the pool? Because this is exactly what occurs with the 10C.

Look, my 8 figure salary will buy anyone a ticket to any show they want. Just PM me and we can finally All Get Along. Cant we All just Get Along???? Dead serious, PM me the date and seat you want, I'll find it on Ebay and get it to you asap. You GOTTA GIVE ME YOUR mailing address so I can overnight the tickets directly to you.

In Fact, I submitted a bid with Kelly Curtis to host 2 shows, all free entrance, ON MY DIME. The only problem is that my hometown is Trona, California. (look it up, hell of a place). Only Rule: ONLY ONE SHOW PER PERSON. YES, that includes people that travel 3,000 miles...ONLY ONE.

and you have a low 10c #?
you single?






i'm not.....just askin'. :twisted:

Get_Right

eight figures annually?
Id almost go gay for that.

Evolver

decides2dream wrote:

Evolver wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

the current system is based on seniority, purely on seniority (outside the lottery rows). the fact that there are members with the means to travel and afford multiple shows in no way actully diminishes the seniority system, as seating is still based on seniority.

Ok, but please go back and ready my march madness example - can you honestly say that my bosses, with their 6-figure salaries, didn't have an advantage that they utilized every year to win the pool? Because this is exactly what occurs with the 10C.

yes, i did see your edit. and honestly, it doesn't matter. this isn't a work pool, we aren't all colleagues and friends, tho we are a community. and i will tell you this, MOST of the people that i know, including myself, who travel around to see pj.....even to different countries.....are FAR from rich! they scrimp and save, the save their vacation time, they plan and prioritize. THAt is how they go to multiple shows. are some who do so rich? i am sure there are. bottomline, joe down the street who can only afford to go to one concert has just as EQUAL a chance at scoring a 10c ticket as john from 5 states over who wants to go to 10. EQUAL CHANCE. that is all that matters. money doesn't give you a better shot of scoring a 10c ticket, it just simply gives you the means to try for multiple shows. and again, you don't need to be rich to do so...you just have to want it. if 10c ever enacted limits, sure i would accept it b/c i have no choice, but i definitely would NOT be happy about it.

Ok, only saying this one more time - I DON"T CARE IF YOU HAVE AN EQUAL CHANCE TO GO or IF YOU TRAVEL. By all means travel, as it makes for better crowds/energy at the show. But not at the expense of having the those in the club who aren't traveling to that show sit farther back at the show.

And no, money doesn't give you a shot at getting a better 10C ticket, but here's what it does. Lets say that in Town-X and surrounding area, the senior-most club member has a number of 100xxx, for example, not a very low number, but still the lowest number in that region. But then lets say half of those with lower numbers can and do travel to a show (just using this number as an example), and they travel to this show. So, now, instead of having guaranteed seats up front, they are pushed back behind the traveling groupies. Those groupies now DO have an advantage, and here's where it comes in. Since 100xxx member doesn't have the funds to travel and can only go to his most local show, he can forget about being upfront (short of the lottery system, which unfortunately he only gets to play on those shows that come to his town), and all thanks to those members who have the means to travel AND who use their 10C tix when doing so.

Anyways I've had my fun getting everyone fired up for this afternoon, lol, this place is always good for a good debate/laugh Ciao.

decides2dream

Evolver wrote:

Ok, only saying this one more time - I DON"T CARE IF YOU HAVE AN EQUAL CHANCE TO GO or IF YOU TRAVEL. By all means travel, as it makes for better crowds/energy at the show. But not at the expense of having the those in the club who aren't traveling to that show sit farther back at the show.

And no, money doesn't give you a shot at getting a better 10C ticket, but here's what it does. Lets say that in Town-X and surrounding area, the senior-most club member has a number of 100xxx, for example, not a very low number, but still the lowest number in that region. But then lets say half of those with lower numbers can and do travel to a show (just using this number as an example), and they travel to this show. So, now, instead of having guaranteed seats up front, they are pushed back behind the traveling groupies. Those groupies now DO have an advantage, and here's where it comes in. Since 100xxx member doesn't have the funds to travel and can only go to his most local show, he can forget about being upfront (short of the lottery system, which unfortunately he only gets to play on those shows that come to his town), and all thanks to those members who have the means to travel AND who use their 10C tix when doing so.

Anyways I've had my fun getting everyone fired up for this afternoon, lol, this place is always good for a good debate/laugh Ciao.

again, i get all that.....and i still think it's a-ok. even with your 2-show limit, the same thing can and will happen. perhaps not to such a degree, but it WILL happen. especially in areas like NYC, boston, cali, etc, etc. so what you're saying is have a system based on seniority ANd location, rather than a system based on seniority and ability to see multiple shows. either way, there are always those with 'advantages' and others without. imo, i am most concerned with EQUAL ACCESS. as it stands, that equal access does exist, and that to me is the most fair way of doing such things. that is all.


and if you think your posts got anyone 'fired up'....apparrently you don't know how to 'fire up' properly.
always a good discussion to pass the workday, and now more work has actually landed on my desk....catchya all later.

Foxy Mop

J_LAWN wrote:

Honestly now. I'm seeing how a lot of you are going to 5, 7, 9 or in some cases, even more shows on this tour. I understand how much you love the band and your "need" to see them but aren't you being a bit selfish? I have been trying so hard since pre-sale went on to get tickets for toronto but i have had no luck. It is not feasible for me to travel to Vancouver or chicago (both shows i could of gotten tickets to), yet there are many tc members traveling miles and miles to see these and many other shows.

I simply want tickets to one show (as do many others, both tc and non tc) that is relatively close to me. I don't have much money to travel far, or even keep my tc membership if this is going to be the case with tickets everytime.

I just wish my fellow TC members would be a bit more considerate of others before gobbling up all the pre sale tickets to several shows.

With respect,
jeff

On the flip side, I'd like to offer this;

Because so many of us do travel around to shows, we start 'ticket-buddying' up. If you go to any pre-concert fundraiser, I guarantee you'll find at least a handful of 10C fans who have extra tickets they are willing to part with to other PJ enthusiasts, all for face value. So not only are you joining in the community, but making friends as well.

You're missing out on the bigger picture, and that is the friends and community that embraces our PJ fandom.

Go to the Toronto fundraiser. You'll find tickets there.

OffMeGoes

and you have a low 10c #?
you single?






i'm not.....just askin'. :twisted:[/quote]

I am recently single, which means I dont know what to do with all this cash. I feel awful now that I have booked travel and bought tickets to all the West Coast shows...I had no idea I was relieving my pain of the death of my young wife at the expense of someone else's pain, simply by going to lose myself at a few PJ shows. I set up a website to get my tickets into the hands of those that didnt even know about the concerts until last week......I am such a bastard and this is the only way to repay society.

go to my website: http://www.help-the-fake-PJ-fans.com

Just sign up and I will not only give you my tickets, I will fly you and a fellow pseudo fan out to whatever show you want.

decides2dream

Vedderwt wrote:

go to my website: http://www.help-the-fake-PJ-fans.com

Just sign up and I will not only give you my tickets, I will fly you and a fellow pseudo fan out to whatever show you want.

i love the 'pseudo fan'.....hahaha.



as to the rest of your post, idk how to take it.

anyhoo....i think it simply makes sense to keep things as is in regards to access to shows for all fans. obviously not everyone agrees with me, but in my mind, it does indeed seem the 'most fair' way of handling it. hope 10c continues this system.

blondieblue227

do you guys really need to go to so many shows on this tour?

:shock:
i've often thought the same thing.
i didn't have the balls to ask.
kudos to you OP.

Jeremys Spoken

blondieblue227 wrote:

do you guys really need to go to so many shows on this tour?

:shock:
i've often thought the same thing.
i didn't have the balls to ask.
kudos to you OP.

why should it matter what they do with their money?

Why do people buy season tickets to their favorite teams?

benjs

decides2dream wrote:

Vedderwt wrote:

go to my website: http://www.help-the-fake-PJ-fans.com

Just sign up and I will not only give you my tickets, I will fly you and a fellow pseudo fan out to whatever show you want.

i love the 'pseudo fan'.....hahaha.



as to the rest of your post, idk how to take it.

anyhoo....i think it simply makes sense to keep things as is in regards to access to shows for all fans. obviously not everyone agrees with me, but in my mind, it does indeed seem the 'most fair' way of handling it. hope 10c continues this system.

Look at your post count - you're about to hit a pretty special milestone!

hopethatuchoke

Jeremys Spoken wrote:

blondieblue227 wrote:

do you guys really need to go to so many shows on this tour?

:shock:
i've often thought the same thing.
i didn't have the balls to ask.
kudos to you OP.

why should it matter what they do with their money?

Why do people buy season tickets to their favorite teams?

It matters when other people locally are shut out of shows because people travel all over the place to see them. I have been fortunate to get tickets to all the philly shows over the years but it gets a bit discouraging seeing the same people up front at every show. And you look on touring fans and see the same low numbers at alot of shows. It severely hinders my opportunity to get better seats. I often wonder if certain people around here have lives outside of pearl jam.

Stop attacking the guy for giving his opinion.

benjs

hopethatuchoke wrote:

Jeremys Spoken wrote:

blondieblue227 wrote:

do you guys really need to go to so many shows on this tour?

:shock:
i've often thought the same thing.
i didn't have the balls to ask.
kudos to you OP.

why should it matter what they do with their money?

Why do people buy season tickets to their favorite teams?

It matters when other people locally are shut out of shows because people travel all over the place to see them. I have been fortunate to get tickets to all the philly shows over the years but it gets a bit discouraging seeing the same people up front at every show. And you look on touring fans and see the same low numbers at alot of shows. It severely hinders my opportunity to get better seats. I often wonder if certain people around here have lives outside of pearl jam.

Stop attacking the guy for giving his opinion.

I think that's fair, and my gut feeling is that the band would give a 'local advantage' if implementing it were simpler. Granted, this is by no means factual, just my theory.

blondieblue227

after reading most of this thread i only found one post a kinda agree with:

aNiMaL wrote:

I am with you, J_LAWN. I personally do not understand the thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars that are spent on hotel rooms, rental cars, plane tickets, and concert tickets to see PJ over and over and over again like groupies. Sure, I have come a little ways from the years where I only saw them one time per tour, and i am going to both Seattle shows and the Portland show, but that is it. I am afraid if I go to any more shows, they will most definitely lose their luster. I don't ever want to start a thread because i am sick of a certain song because I have gone to 12 of the last 13 shows. I don't ever want to take a song for granted and use it as a pee break. But that is just me.

sure it was the OP fault. you GOTTA stay in the loop with the PJ news.
if you wanta vacation by seeing pj upteen times that's fine with me. i just don't wanttta see some boredass people in the front row when i see tour pics. AND don't post your multi shows in your siggy. it's snobish. but like animal said i don't quite understand it but to each their own.
the OP had his window. he missed it. But i still say 10c should maybe make the first hour hometown sales only.
and the OP still has a chance to snag a 10c ticket, if somebody has an extra.

benjs

blondieblue227 wrote:

after reading most of this thread i only found one post a kinda agree with:

aNiMaL wrote:

I am with you, J_LAWN. I personally do not understand the thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars that are spent on hotel rooms, rental cars, plane tickets, and concert tickets to see PJ over and over and over again like groupies. Sure, I have come a little ways from the years where I only saw them one time per tour, and i am going to both Seattle shows and the Portland show, but that is it. I am afraid if I go to any more shows, they will most definitely lose their luster. I don't ever want to start a thread because i am sick of a certain song because I have gone to 12 of the last 13 shows. I don't ever want to take a song for granted and use it as a pee break. But that is just me.

sure it was the OP fault. you GOTTA stay in the loop with the PJ news.
if you wanta vacation by seeing pj upteen times that's fine with me. i just don't wanttta see some boredass people in the front row when i see tour pics. AND don't post your multi shows in your siggy. it's snobish.
the OP had his window. he missed it. But i still say 10c should maybe make the first hour hometown sales only.
and the OP still has a chance to snag a 10c ticket, if somebody has an extra.

I agree with you about seeing bored people in the front row - that's a real bummer to see sometimes. Regarding the multiple shows in the signature, I always thought it wasn't snobbish, rather an effort to spark a conversation with someone who may have their own story about one of the shows you were at.

decides2dream

benjs wrote:

Look at your post count - you're about to hit a pretty special milestone!

ha!
hadn't noticed....i've hit it a few times over on other board incarnations. here especially it soooo deosn't matter (not that it ever did)....b/c post counts haphazardly transferred over. bizarreness.




that said, as to the topic at hand: the system imo is fair as IS. it seems to me many are using the tired old complaint about 'the same people up in the front'.....and honestly, you really think you'll do SO much better? do you truly believe there are THAt many low-#ed people traveling to numerous shows? believe me, i know there ARE a good # who do, but truly...most that i know who travel around, have #s that run the gamut, such as myself, a very mediocre #. and again, for those of us who live in highly populous areas with high #s of 10c members, fans in general, areas people like to travel...more than likely i still would have shit 10c seats, same issues trying for 10c tix....with or w/o limits. i prefer no limits. 8-) i like the opportunity to take my 10c # elsewhere, occasionally get much better seats b/c of it....and yea, still be able to hit up hometown shows too. and that is of course, if am lucky to score 10c tix at all. i really, really, really like the current system and i'd truly hate to see them implement one-show only, or hometwon advantage, or anything that limits access to 10c tix.

pearljgirl2010

hopethatuchoke wrote:

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I often wonder if certain people around here have lives outside of pearl jam.

I'm going to 10 shows this tour...does that mean that I don't have a life outside of Pearl Jam? nope--just means that I am able to travel to different cities, meet up with old and new friends and see my favorite band play all at the same time...I'm just fortunate enough to have that kind of life.

I understand that it sucks when you can't get tickets to see your "local" show....when the EV tickets were limited to one show per member this past tour, I remember people bitching about not getting tickets to the ONE show they wanted to...didn't seem to work out that well, limiting the tickets that way. I still say that at least we ALL have the same opportunity to try for tickets. you win some, you lose some.

blondieblue227

benjs wrote:

Regarding the multiple shows in the signature, I always thought it wasn't snobbish, rather an effort to spark a conversation with someone who may have their own story about one of the shows you were at.

glad you said that. hadn't thought of it like that.
but your list doesn't bug me.
i've seen siggy listed with dates that are like two inches long.
very cool 10c added in that part where you can list your shows on your profile. .....instead of your siggy.