do you guys really need to go to so many shows on this tour?

Evolver

pjsteelerfan wrote:

There is no need for a limit everyone just to protect people in NY, Philly, LA or Seattle.

Incorrect, its not just these cities, its every city. I recent moved from CT, just outside of Hartford, and I was shut out of 10C tickets more than one Hartford show. This should not happen at the expense of those who can travel to upteen different shows. Period.

Evolver

decides2dream wrote:

Beyond that, the way pj has been announcing tours lately, a few shows at a time, would be an absolute nightmare.

I totally agree on this point - there's no way you could have a limit system ALONG WITH the unarguably SCREWED UP way that PJ has been announcing shows of late - it would be a total clusterfuck indeed. This effed up and backwards announcement scheme, one way or another, has got to go. I understand that sometimes, due to business reasons, the entire tour cannot be nailed down on day one. Ok, fine, here's a genius idea of the top of my head - why not wait until the entire tour IS nailed down before making the big announcement (with the minor exception of the addition of a show(s) at a given city)???

Wilds

Evolver wrote:

pjsteelerfan wrote:

There is no need for a limit everyone just to protect people in NY, Philly, LA or Seattle.

Incorrect, its not just these cities, its every city. I recent moved from CT, just outside of Hartford, and I was shut out of 10C tickets more than one Hartford show. This should not happen at the expense of those who can travel to upteen different shows. Period.

If people from Boston, NY, and RI didn't attend the Hartford shows...... you would never get a show. Much in the same way Anchorage, AK never gets a show.

Just a guess, but I would personally be thankful that people travel to Hartford.

decides2dream

Evolver wrote:

pjsteelerfan wrote:

There is no need for a limit everyone just to protect people in NY, Philly, LA or Seattle.

Incorrect, its not just these cities, its every city. I recent moved from CT, just outside of Hartford, and I was shut out of 10C tickets more than one Hartford show. This should not happen at the expense of those who can travel to upteen different shows. Period.

even with a one show limit, which i definitely disagree with....that could still well happen. especially in the NE area. limiting it to one show per 10c member in no way guarantees you'll always score a ticket to your hometown show. especially when you live in areas like the NE and cali. i live in NY, MSG is my hometown show......soooo many people are fans right here, plus so many people choose to see pj here - even if there were a one-show-only limit. people will always get shut out of some shows, and so it goes. i for one do not want to see limits put on ticket purchases, that would suck.

Wilds wrote:

If people from Boston, NY, and RI didn't attend the Hartford shows...... you would never get a show. Much in the same way Anchorage, AK never gets a show.

Just a guess, but I would personally be thankful that people travel to Hartford.

good point.

Dirty Tom

Evolver wrote:

First off, I fully agree that anyone has the right to spend their money on anything they like, no problem there. I think the real issue (and the only way to correct it) lies within the 10C and the ticket policy...

It is incredibly clear, and has been becoming more and more clear over the last few years/tours, that the one additional change that 10C needs to make to the ticket policy is limiting the number of shows that each member is allowed to buy tickets to. I once saw another member write that each member should be allowed to buy a pair of tickets to (2) shows per tour, and I couldn't agree more with this.

What this would do is simple: it would very much add an additional facet or level of depth to the seniority scheme as it would prevent the same group of (and I am quoting another member on this from another thread, as it was hilarious) "traveling assholes" with top level seniority from being right up front for every show. So, what happens is that those members who are of the highest level of seniority at the location of the show, or in other words in their hometown, would end up with the best tickets, as opposed to being pushed back by the travelers. This adds much more weight and reinforcement to each member's seniority, especially when most people can't/don't want to travel tons of shows. And I think having a limit of 2 works out, especially if you happen to live in a city where the band happens to be playing more than 1 show on that tour...and if not, then you get to try for 10C tickets in another city. An additional bonus for the club is that it would GREATLY help them avoid the mega-crush that their servers get for each batch of ticket sales - currently you have half the friggin fan club trying to get tickets to every show, as opposed to making most people prioritize which ones they try to get tickets for. AND you won't have to hear people bitching about not getting tickets for one show after they already scored tickets for the half dozen others shows that went on say previously (yeah, boo hoo).

Either way, I do applaud what 10C has done to this point, HOWEVER, until they apply this limit they have a very glaring hole in the system.

The main problem with limiting the # of shows is this.....why would I spend airfare and hotel money for 1 night/show?? If i'm spending cash on airfare/hotels i want it to be for longer than 1 day. So the more shows the longer the stay. Maybe that's just me.

Evolver

pjl44 wrote:

Wilds wrote:

Very well put. As one of the traveling assholes with a good 10C number, I realize the misery I inflict on countless lives every time a tour is announced and I decide to leave my 20 mile radius. That said, it is because of insufferable douchebags like myself that the band is able to pull off multiple nights in some of the larger markets. It is extraordinarily rare for a band to have such a devoted fanbase and nurturing that allows this whole thing to thrive, grow, and progress.

Hey I never said that I cared if you travel, that is, as I have said, your business and you are more than welcome to do so (i.e. spend your time & money) in whatever way you please, and I respect that. So by all means be at as many shows as you like or can afford to be at, as it is always great to see as many big fans at the shows as possible. I'm just saying that it shouldn't be done at the expense of local 10C members. Give the locals SOME sort of advantage when they can or only want to see one show in their local venue. I too have a low number, but if 10C set this up so that the locals ended up sitting in front of me, I would have NO problem with this.

Evolver

Wilds wrote:

Evolver wrote:

pjsteelerfan wrote:

There is no need for a limit everyone just to protect people in NY, Philly, LA or Seattle.

Incorrect, its not just these cities, its every city. I recent moved from CT, just outside of Hartford, and I was shut out of 10C tickets more than one Hartford show. This should not happen at the expense of those who can travel to upteen different shows. Period.

If people from Boston, NY, and RI didn't attend the Hartford shows...... you would never get a show. Much in the same way Anchorage, AK never gets a show.

Just a guess, but I would personally be thankful that people travel to Hartford.

ONCE AGAIN, I don't care that people travel to the show's, that is great and it adds to the atmosphere that much more, which myself and anyone else would encourage. Just give the locals some sort of friggin preference or advantage over those who can afford to/are willing to travel from all over hell in these situations, which is what the 2 show limit would do.

Evolver

Dirty Tom wrote:

The main problem with limiting the # of shows is this.....why would I spend airfare and hotel money for 1 night/show?? If i'm spending cash on airfare/hotels i want it to be for longer than 1 day. So the more shows the longer the stay. Maybe that's just me.

Who says you can't still travel just because you don't have 10C tickets for a show? Just means you have to get either public on sale tickets, and if not, there are no shortage of other means for acquiring tickets. And lets be honest, if you (not you in particular, just in everyone in general) can afford to drop the coin on airfare & accommodations for a PJ trip, you can't honestly say you can't spare a few bucks for tix at above market prices!

decides2dream

Evolver wrote:

pjl44 wrote:

Wilds wrote:

Very well put. As one of the traveling assholes with a good 10C number, I realize the misery I inflict on countless lives every time a tour is announced and I decide to leave my 20 mile radius. That said, it is because of insufferable douchebags like myself that the band is able to pull off multiple nights in some of the larger markets. It is extraordinarily rare for a band to have such a devoted fanbase and nurturing that allows this whole thing to thrive, grow, and progress.

Hey I never said that I cared if you travel, that is, as I have said, your business and you are more than welcome to do so (i.e. spend your time & money) in whatever way you please, and I respect that. So by all means be at as many shows as you like or can afford to be at, as it is always great to see as many big fans at the shows as possible. I'm just saying that it shouldn't be done at the expense of local 10C members. Give the locals SOME sort of advantage when they can or only want to see one show in their local venue. I too have a low number, but if 10C set this up so that the locals ended up sitting in front of me, I would have NO problem with this.

why?
what about all the fans who live in areas that NEVER get shows? where is their 'advantage'....? this is why i have always been against any sort of 'hometown' advantage. also, how do you determine hometown? seriously. for NYC, how would that be? beyond that, as i said earlier...it actually gives unfair advantage to those in less-populated areas that still manage to get pj shows. i can't help it that NYC vicinity has a shit-ton of fans and this is my hometown area. so someone in salt lake city would have a far better shot at a hometown ticket than i would in NYC. even as it is right now, the SLC residents probably still had a great advantage this tour, probably get better seats, etc....b/c while i am sure there are people traveling, not nearly as many who usually hit up my hometown shows in NY. i see no reason that 'locals' should get any advantage. NO one should get any 'advantage'....and the way the system is right now, no one does. we ALL have equal chance to score tix.

Dirty Tom

Incorrect, its not just these cities, its every city. I recent moved from CT, just outside of Hartford, and I was shut out of 10C tickets more than one Hartford show. This should not happen at the expense of those who can travel to upteen different shows. Period.[/quote]

If people from Boston, NY, and RI didn't attend the Hartford shows...... you would never get a show. Much in the same way Anchorage, AK never gets a show.

Just a guess, but I would personally be thankful that people travel to Hartford. [/quote]

ONCE AGAIN, I don't care that people travel to the show's, that is great and it adds to the atmosphere that much more, which myself and anyone else would encourage. Just give the locals some sort of friggin preference or advantage over those who can afford to/are willing to travel from all over hell in these situations, which is what the 2 show limit would do.[/quote]


I do love the "local" thing. Why not give the people who actually live in the city of the show some kind of priveledge. I wouldn't mind.

Evolver

decides2dream wrote:

why?
what about all the fans who live in areas that NEVER get shows? where is their 'advantage'....? this is why i have always been against any sort of 'hometown' advantage. also, how do you determine hometown? seriously. for NYC, how would that be? beyond that, as i said earlier...it actually gives unfair advantage to those in less-populated areas that still manage to get pj shows. i can't help it that NYC vicinity has a shit-ton of fans and this is my hometown area. so someone in salt lake city would have a far better shot at a hometown ticket than i would in NYC. even as it is right now, the SLC residents probably still had a great advantage this tour, probably get better seats, etc....b/c while i am sure there are people traveling, not nearly as many who usually hit up my hometown shows in NY. i see no reason that 'locals' should get any advantage. NO one should get any 'advantage'....and the way the system is right now, no one does. we ALL have equal chance to score tix.

I know and fully agree that its almost impossible to establish "what is hometown", but put it this way: if you could only score tickets to 2 shows, you would most likely only utilize that opportunity to buy tickets for those shows closest to you, which (follow me on this, cuz I don't think you followed this earlier), does not negatively impact those who live in areas who live in areas who never get shows. Those folks can STILL buy tickets to travel to shows. My main point is when not when people travel to shows, but when they do so using 10C tickets, thereby screwing up the seniority system: In this system, TRUE seniority does NOT fall to those simply having a low number - instead it falls to those who 1) have a low number, 2) AND (most importantly) have the means to travel. And THAT's the problem with the current seniority system. It is NOT based solely on the idea of seniority.

(Its very much like when my rich ass bosses would submit TONSof brackets for March Madness at 10 bucks a piece - they, with their huge ass salaries, could afford to do so, unlike everyone else, therefore giving them the advantage in the pool, which they won every year...until we enacted a 1-bracket limit per employee!)

Black Diamond

Evolver wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

why?
what about all the fans who live in areas that NEVER get shows? where is their 'advantage'....? this is why i have always been against any sort of 'hometown' advantage. also, how do you determine hometown? seriously. for NYC, how would that be? beyond that, as i said earlier...it actually gives unfair advantage to those in less-populated areas that still manage to get pj shows. i can't help it that NYC vicinity has a shit-ton of fans and this is my hometown area. so someone in salt lake city would have a far better shot at a hometown ticket than i would in NYC. even as it is right now, the SLC residents probably still had a great advantage this tour, probably get better seats, etc....b/c while i am sure there are people traveling, not nearly as many who usually hit up my hometown shows in NY. i see no reason that 'locals' should get any advantage. NO one should get any 'advantage'....and the way the system is right now, no one does. we ALL have equal chance to score tix.

I know and fully agree that its almost impossible to establish "what is hometown", but put it this way: if you could only score tickets to 2 shows, you would most likely only utilize that opportunity to buy tickets for those shows closest to you, which (follow me on this, cuz I don't think you followed this earlier), does not negatively impact those who live in areas who live in areas who never get shows. Those folks can STILL buy tickets to travel to shows. My main point is when not when people travel to shows, but when they do so using 10C tickets, thereby screwing up the seniority system: In this system, TRUE seniority does NOT fall to those simply having a low number - instead it falls to those who 1) have a low number, 2) AND (most importantly) have the means to travel. And THAT's the problem with the current seniority system. It is NOT based solely on the idea of seniority.

As stated earlier if this was the case, many shows would not sell out and therefore they would only tour the east and west coasts.

breath123

J_LAWN wrote:

First off, yes this is for real.

Secondly, to whoever told me to get a job: I am a college student and the entire point of going to school is so someday i can get a job. But until then i am living on a very fixed income.

And finally, I was un aware of when the presale started. Sometime around may im guessing, a time i am very busy and do not check this site often.

But then this brings up another question. What about ten club members without access to a computer or internet? Are they to be denied the opportunity to get pre sale tickets? Why should a fan be screwed if they do not have a computer?

seriously,

when I was in college, guess how many shows I went to due to means? A: zero. simple, no money no shows.

you have a shitload of exuses and reasons why the world is trying to keep you away from pearl jam

as for your lack of access to a computer, does this school of yours have a library? Does this library have computers? The Grade school thatat my 11 year old niece goes to has a computer.

bottom line, if you make PJ a priority then you will make the shows. Otherwise you might just have to wait until your schedule lightens up a bit.

OffMeGoes

Evolver wrote:

pjsteelerfan wrote:

There is no need for a limit everyone just to protect people in NY, Philly, LA or Seattle.

Incorrect, its not just these cities, its every city. I recent moved from CT, just outside of Hartford, and I was shut out of 10C tickets more than one Hartford show. This should not happen at the expense of those who can travel to upteen different shows. Period.

Do you know how boring each show would be if there was no competition (EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, MIND YOU) to get these seats. The buy it now button would outlast the sale, and you would have assholes buying scalped tickets that yell out "even Flow" just after it is played, "Booooooo, play Alive", "stop talking and play", and they would be sitting EVERYWHERE......people will fill up a coliseum just because there are so many idiots in the world that go to a show IF it is available and IF it seems like it is cool. I dont want Tracy and Melinda in row three dancing to every song like they were at a Celine Dion concert, calling their friends to talk and turning around taking pictures. Fuck, some of my greatest bootlegs (Deep Dish Pizza, the year after 2007, Lead singer of a band we all like playing without the other members, Hint hint) are WRECKED by Trolls that came to see the show and just talked the entire time about how they bleed for eight days and never die and how Sally and Tim traveled to Spain, but Tim got sick and said something mean and sexist about bleeding for eight days yadda yadda yadda.......You cant avoid some breeching my sacred space, but limit ten club members to one show and you have wrecked the entire dynamic of synergy between band and crowd. There is a degree of survival of the fittest to get tickets, but if you have half a brain and the will to see a show, you are in, bottom line. We all compete for the same seats.........I am not even competetive, but now I must ensure I go to every show just to squeez someone out.

And, BTY.....if you are so poor and find a way to stop whining, you should follow me around, because I always have to buy two TenClub tickets and only use one......I have given away so many tickets to people who look like they genuinely need them. The last few were MSG 1 and 2 (I think non-tenclub seats, long story) and EV Santa Barbara, Santa Cruz, Chicago 2, PJ SF....take a risk, post a ticket request on the boards...meet a new person....Nashville was FANTASTIC this year just because I met some board members who needed a ticket......Im still hung over I think...goddamn Nashville is great.. I wouldnt know though if your right wing smear campaign against my right to multiple shows succeeds!!! Dont TownHall me!!!

I did a non-scientific poll and it looks like 94.6 percent agree that I am 85 percent correct.

MATTTTTTTTT

Get_Right

benjs wrote:

Jeff,
If you were from the Philly area, I'd understand where you're coming from. Toronto, however, was up for pre-sale for at least a day and a half... it was by no means a hard 10C pre-sale. If I had an extra, I'd help you out, but all I can do is wish you the best of luck finding yourself a ticket!

DING DING
Tickets were available for a long time by 10c standards.
So stop your complaining please, its a bit ridiculous.
Every member has an equal chance for every ticket in every town. Its as fair as can be.

Evolver

Vedderwt wrote:

Im still hung over I think.

I submit that you are still drunk.

decides2dream

Evolver wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

why?
what about all the fans who live in areas that NEVER get shows? where is their 'advantage'....? this is why i have always been against any sort of 'hometown' advantage. also, how do you determine hometown? seriously. for NYC, how would that be? beyond that, as i said earlier...it actually gives unfair advantage to those in less-populated areas that still manage to get pj shows. i can't help it that NYC vicinity has a shit-ton of fans and this is my hometown area. so someone in salt lake city would have a far better shot at a hometown ticket than i would in NYC. even as it is right now, the SLC residents probably still had a great advantage this tour, probably get better seats, etc....b/c while i am sure there are people traveling, not nearly as many who usually hit up my hometown shows in NY. i see no reason that 'locals' should get any advantage. NO one should get any 'advantage'....and the way the system is right now, no one does. we ALL have equal chance to score tix.

I know and fully agree that its almost impossible to establish "what is hometown", but put it this way: if you could only score tickets to 2 shows, you would most likely only utilize that opportunity to buy tickets for those shows closest to you, which (follow me on this, cuz I don't think you followed this earlier), does not negatively impact those who live in areas who live in areas who never get shows. Those folks can STILL buy tickets to travel to shows. My main point is when not when people travel to shows, but when they do so using 10C tickets, thereby screwing up the seniority system: In this system, TRUE seniority does NOT fall to those simply having a low number - instead it falls to those who 1) have a low number, 2) AND (most importantly) have the means to travel. And THAT's the problem with the current seniority system. It is NOT based solely on the idea of seniority.

i didn't fail to see this point, i just happen to disagree. with such a system, my hometown shows would probably be even MORE difficult for locals to score rather than easier....b/c many would STILL choose to utilize their 1 or 2 show limit to score tix to MSG. same thing for places like seattle, or cali...places people like to travel and see pj. those who live in less populous areas, you bet....it would be an advantage to them, and those who are willing to travel and use their 10c #s there. the current system is based on seniority, purely on seniority (outside the lottery rows). the fact that there are members with the means to travel and afford multiple shows in no way actully diminishes the seniority system, as seating is still based on seniority. as i said, i am a 'traveling asshole'.....and the only time you will ever se me within the first rows is 1. win the lottery 2. GA shows 3. use someone else's #. meanwhile, i still travel on my mediocre # and i am NOT taking away a great seat, but a mediocre 10c seat. yes, it's still a 10c seat. sometimes it scores me well, like when i traveled to edmonton for a show, and sure, all the euro GA shows.....but more often than not, for my hometown or any NE shows.....pretty shabby by most 10c member's standards. so actually, for me, it's better for me to travel as my # serves me better elsewhere. however, i don't always want to, or may not always have the means, or the time, etc. i think the system is good and fair as IS. we simply disagree.

Get_Right wrote:

Every member has an equal chance for every ticket in every town. Its as fair as can be.

exactly.

Jearlpam0925

The word "bitter" just oozes out of this thread.

Evolver

decides2dream wrote:

the current system is based on seniority, purely on seniority (outside the lottery rows). the fact that there are members with the means to travel and afford multiple shows in no way actully diminishes the seniority system, as seating is still based on seniority.

Ok, but please go back and ready my march madness example - can you honestly say that my bosses, with their 6-figure salaries, didn't have an advantage that they utilized every year to win the pool? Because this is exactly what occurs with the 10C.

Evolver

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The word "bitter" just oozes out of this thread.

LOL, you'd think so, but I really just have fun on these threads, and I really don't take them that seriously I just love getting people fired up, especially those who love to say "stop whining" or "stop bitching". Always good for a laugh, mainly because it is so easy to do Those are the people who need to chill


Actually, this could be a killer drinking game...every time you get somebody to say the word "whine", or "bitch", do a shot! Good times, people!