I agree with you and totally understand...there is a sense of entitlement floating around here. If i don't like what I'm hearing or seeing, I don't pretend to :-) I openly admit to hating Low Light and refuse to sing along when I hear it live ;-)
Cool. Glad to have this discussion with you. And I too cant stand Lowlight....almost as bad as Sleight of Hand.
welllllll....I was enjoying our discussion until you bad mouthed Sleight of Hand!!!!! LOL...I'll still be friends with you, don't worry
I agree with you and totally understand...there is a sense of entitlement floating around here. If i don't like what I'm hearing or seeing, I don't pretend to :-) I openly admit to hating Low Light and refuse to sing along when I hear it live ;-)
Cool. Glad to have this discussion with you. And I too cant stand Lowlight....almost as bad as Sleight of Hand.
welllllll....I was enjoying our discussion until you bad mouthed Sleight of Hand!!!!! LOL...I'll still be friends with you, don't worry
Fair enough I apologize for being a bit too sensitive about this issue. I just want to protect the integrity of my fav band and sometimes when I see some fans becoming a bit too obsessive and entitled (which is pretty common around here) I get worried that someday the shows may lose some of their integrity, spontaneity and genuineness because the band will think that folks will buy tix and applaud no matter how well or how poorly they play---apathy will set in like it did for the Dead and Phish.
I agree with you and totally understand...there is a sense of entitlement floating around here. If i don't like what I'm hearing or seeing, I don't pretend to :-) I openly admit to hating Low Light and refuse to sing along when I hear it live ;-)
you hate low light :shock:
that's it, i am not talking to you on tour now plus your 10 shows is more than my 9 shows i might have to go to salt lake after all just to match you and hope they play low light
i tour for shows more for the friends, old and new that do the same thing. for me they are more important than seeing the show. that is just a bonus. a few of the contributers to this thread, i have met in different states and countries, and they are the same ones i will be meeting with on tour.
as for the sense of entitlement, i don't like it. people just seem to expect to much
and on that note, pearljgirl2010, i think you are entitled to hate low light, just as i am entitled to hate parachutes! not sure how it relates to the thread, but whatever
I am in HIGH SCHOOL and I am flying to Chicago to see Pearl Jam, twice. Call me crazy?
NO
i'm 26. things are fallin apart down here. and in debt. pj = therapy. f entitlement or whatever is being talked around here. i'll sit last row. i need these shows. all i got
Yes we do need so many shows!! Even though I live near philly I normally take a road trip for another show each year. Actually may head south next tour - maybe have a better chance at great 10c seats with my crappy 10c number vs fighting the large number of 10c'ers in the northeast. Point is save your money, have a rainy day fund. Or just remember life takes mastercard, not amercian express.
And for the haters of Low light, I can understand. Personally I like it alot but everyone needs a "pee" song You know that one song that really does nothing for you and gives you a great chance to run for the bathroom.
Now some of this might sound like I'm splitting hairs, but it's midnight on the west coast and I'm a bit slap happy.
First and foremost the mini tour that is going through Europe, TOR, CHI, and a couple of festivals IS NOT part of the Backspacer tour.
What is it? A bit of a mini tour as far as I can tell. Perhaps more closely related to the 2008 East Coast tour than anything else, and some dates to hit around three festivals that the band chose to do.
Check out the logo for the on sale announcements in the news section and you will see the picture on the cartoon ticket stubs are different for shows pre and post Seattle on September 21st.
So for the OP who was upset about people traveling to shows and bumping him off, the evidence does not really prove that this is happening, at least not for this mini round of shows.
There are 176 people signed up for the Toronto show on touring fans .net. Exactly 150 of them put their location. Of that 150, only ten or twelve of them wouldn't qualify TOR as a hometown/only show EVEN IF WE INCLUDED ALL THE OTHER KNOWN DATES.
When those shows were announced, Philly was not known, yet there are only 7 people on the list from PA.
In fact the only other known shows at that time were the Europe leg (no one on the list is coming from Europe), Chicago (There is 1 on the list), None from San Fransisco, None from Austin, or all of California and Texas for that matter. Calgary wasn't known yet. There is one from Salt Lake City, and of course a bunch from New York and the rest of the North East, BUT as it now stands there are no shows up there, so many are almost as close to TOR as they are to Philly.
Taking this leg as a separate event, even the 1 show limit wouldn't have changed anything about who is attending this show.
Now I'll grant you that these numbers are only a percentage of all people attending, but even if you multiply them, I don't think there is a case that under the system proposed anything would be much different.
Now to be upset with the way shows are released, fine. That would fit into an argument. If you consider all the shows in 2009 as part of a 'Backspacer Tour', and if more shows are announced, (throughout the North East for example), then you might make an argument that if all the shows were announced together, then it would be really obvious as to where the home town shows might align.
But at the very least there will be upwards of 6 months between the Toronto show, and even the first hint of more US dates in 2010. I mean if shows are announced to commence in February, there is the 6 months. My guess is we don't get more Backspacer shows until spring, or at least none in the cold northeast.
If a hometown system was in place, I don't think anything would have changed for the OP and the TOR show, and who is and can attend with Fan Club seats.
Yes, yes..... waaaaay too much time on my hands. Here is 20 minutes I will never get back. :roll:
This thread got me thinking. It actually inspired me. So i bought a ticket to a 5th show.
I bought a ticketmaster ticket to LA1. I'm now going to LA 1, 2, 3, 4 and SD. The last 4 are 10C tickets.
I was always thinking i didn't think 4 was enough... I've seen them 4 times in 11 years, i'm about to make that 9.
-Chris
Male, 34
I'm on Facebook - facebook.com/christopher.leesye1
1998 Brisbane 2
2003 Brisbane 1
2006 LA 1 & 2
2008 LA 2, San Diego 1 (EV)
2009 LA 1, 2, 3 & 4, San Diego
2011 St. Louis (EV)
2012 Tulsa 1 & 2 (EV)
2013 Chicago, Dallas & OKC
Went to 2 Euro shows. Have at least 8 US shows planned. Using a 10c ticket for each and every one of them! ahahahahahaha (that was an evil laugh by the way).
I'm attending thirteen shows this summer and fall and yes, I do need to attend this many. First, I have the available vacation . Second, Pearl Jam is my choice of how I want to enjoy the holiday I've worked to be able to enjoy. Third, PJ is my favorite band. Fourth though it could be first, the touring fan experience is like a drug to me...amazing shows , amazing people met, and a means to seeing amazing sites on , thus far, five continents .
"Buy the ticket,take the ride"
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
"If I wanted you to understand, I would have explained it better"
Johan Cruijff
I'm attending thirteen shows this summer and fall and yes, I do need to attend this many. First, I have the available vacation . Second, Pearl Jam is my choice of how I want to enjoy the holiday I've worked to be able to enjoy. Third, PJ is my favorite band. Fourth though it could be first, the touring fan experience is like a drug to me...amazing shows , amazing people met, and a means to seeing amazing sites on , thus far, five continents .
Sweet. I'm very jealous. Hopefully I can convince my wife to take a vacation to Europe one of these years and hit up a few shows.
I've got 10c tix to 15 shows on this particular tour and I feel no guilt or call it what you may, whatsoever. Each show is a different, almost religious, experience.
Not happy with missing the States this time, specialy Seattle, but the intense Euro stint was a hell of a ride. See you on world Tour 2010! Hope you get your ticket.
Years ago, at the age of 15, I started on a secret plot so that I could be in control to see as many shows as I pleased.
Code named: Got a Job.
Yes, I geared it to my future schedule and financial needs. I think that is called Platter....no......placing....no.....pilfering....no......PLANNING.
There is NOTHING in my list of hobbies that I look forward to more than seeing a tour announcement with dates in cities I have yet to experience and being able to enact my secret plan so that I can go to as many new places and see my favorite band perform and react to the environment and the crowds in those new cities. I get it though.....I squeezed someone out of the Berlin show in 2000, and probably totally fucked over someone at MSG.
NOt sure how else to say this. Don't hate the player?????? Does that fit here???
Finally...where there is a will, there is a way. HAvent you heard Eddie say one something like "not sure how you guys do this, but whether you begged, borrowed or stole to be here, we appreciate you coming"........
I can help you start on a similar secret plan if you like??? Send me 50 bucks and I will repeat this email to you...
I just saved people 50 dollars.... I accidentally found your secret by looking for related EV items from Nashville, the show I went to because I hadn't seen the entire merch and had heard about the hype on EV wallet.... and was curious what it really looked like again because I didn't take a closer look at the posted pictures here on the board....
I found your handler name interesting...and since it was 2009, there was no way you could have sold/bought 189 items this year alone, so I clicked on the ebay member UserID history and I knew the name looked familiar to me....
Touring has never just been about the shows. It's the camaraderie- I would never consider going on tour if it just meant going from show to show without all the other things that come with touring. The new and old friends. Visiting places that I wouldn't otherwise go to. The new and old friends. The different foods. The new and old friends. The sidetrips. THE NEW AND OLD FRIENDS.
I disagree about D2D's point about equal opportunity. In no way am I equal to others when it comes to access. By putting so much of myself into the full touring experience, I'm happy to say that I'm part of this group where everyone looks after everyone else, from accommodation to transport to beer to ticket-sharing to notifying each other about announcements to carrying posters to getting merch to having a full team of people stand up for me if some idiot tries to pick a fight with me during a show. It's not equal, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
5 European shows and the fun around the shows was never going to be enough. There's no such thing as enough fond memories. Knowing friends will be at Seattle and Philly, I just had to go on 2 separate flights across the pond. Tickets to shows would just be a bonus.
Hardly taking tickets away from locals, either. Didn't have to buy a single 10c pair for the 6 shows- the aforementioned friends covered me there.
Like some old codger who just lives around the corner from my work sings,
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes
Well you just might find
You get what you need
115 bucks for half a haircut by a novice? I want my money back!
Comments
welllllll....I was enjoying our discussion until you bad mouthed Sleight of Hand!!!!! LOL...I'll still be friends with you, don't worry
Whatever you are, be a good one --Lincoln
LOL, Gotcha!
you hate low light
that's it, i am not talking to you on tour now
i tour for shows more for the friends, old and new that do the same thing. for me they are more important than seeing the show. that is just a bonus. a few of the contributers to this thread, i have met in different states and countries, and they are the same ones i will be meeting with on tour.
as for the sense of entitlement, i don't like it. people just seem to expect to much
and on that note, pearljgirl2010, i think you are entitled to hate low light, just as i am entitled to hate parachutes! not sure how it relates to the thread, but whatever
I wave to all my Friends... Yeah!
NO
i'm 26. things are fallin apart down here. and in debt. pj = therapy. f entitlement or whatever is being talked around here. i'll sit last row. i need these shows. all i got
i am crazy
Crazy? No... But there goes your Perfect Attendance Award!!
And for the haters of Low light, I can understand. Personally I like it alot but everyone needs a "pee" song You know that one song that really does nothing for you and gives you a great chance to run for the bathroom.
Now some of this might sound like I'm splitting hairs, but it's midnight on the west coast and I'm a bit slap happy.
First and foremost the mini tour that is going through Europe, TOR, CHI, and a couple of festivals IS NOT part of the Backspacer tour.
What is it? A bit of a mini tour as far as I can tell. Perhaps more closely related to the 2008 East Coast tour than anything else, and some dates to hit around three festivals that the band chose to do.
Check out the logo for the on sale announcements in the news section and you will see the picture on the cartoon ticket stubs are different for shows pre and post Seattle on September 21st.
So for the OP who was upset about people traveling to shows and bumping him off, the evidence does not really prove that this is happening, at least not for this mini round of shows.
There are 176 people signed up for the Toronto show on touring fans .net. Exactly 150 of them put their location. Of that 150, only ten or twelve of them wouldn't qualify TOR as a hometown/only show EVEN IF WE INCLUDED ALL THE OTHER KNOWN DATES.
When those shows were announced, Philly was not known, yet there are only 7 people on the list from PA.
In fact the only other known shows at that time were the Europe leg (no one on the list is coming from Europe), Chicago (There is 1 on the list), None from San Fransisco, None from Austin, or all of California and Texas for that matter. Calgary wasn't known yet. There is one from Salt Lake City, and of course a bunch from New York and the rest of the North East, BUT as it now stands there are no shows up there, so many are almost as close to TOR as they are to Philly.
Taking this leg as a separate event, even the 1 show limit wouldn't have changed anything about who is attending this show.
Now I'll grant you that these numbers are only a percentage of all people attending, but even if you multiply them, I don't think there is a case that under the system proposed anything would be much different.
Now to be upset with the way shows are released, fine. That would fit into an argument. If you consider all the shows in 2009 as part of a 'Backspacer Tour', and if more shows are announced, (throughout the North East for example), then you might make an argument that if all the shows were announced together, then it would be really obvious as to where the home town shows might align.
But at the very least there will be upwards of 6 months between the Toronto show, and even the first hint of more US dates in 2010. I mean if shows are announced to commence in February, there is the 6 months. My guess is we don't get more Backspacer shows until spring, or at least none in the cold northeast.
If a hometown system was in place, I don't think anything would have changed for the OP and the TOR show, and who is and can attend with Fan Club seats.
Yes, yes..... waaaaay too much time on my hands. Here is 20 minutes I will never get back.
I bought a ticketmaster ticket to LA1. I'm now going to LA 1, 2, 3, 4 and SD. The last 4 are 10C tickets.
I was always thinking i didn't think 4 was enough... I've seen them 4 times in 11 years, i'm about to make that 9.
Male, 34
I'm on Facebook - facebook.com/christopher.leesye1
1998 Brisbane 2
2003 Brisbane 1
2006 LA 1 & 2
2008 LA 2, San Diego 1 (EV)
2009 LA 1, 2, 3 & 4, San Diego
2011 St. Louis (EV)
2012 Tulsa 1 & 2 (EV)
2013 Chicago, Dallas & OKC
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
"If I wanted you to understand, I would have explained it better"
Johan Cruijff
Sweet. I'm very jealous. Hopefully I can convince my wife to take a vacation to Europe one of these years and hit up a few shows.
Not happy with missing the States this time, specialy Seattle, but the intense Euro stint was a hell of a ride. See you on world Tour 2010! Hope you get your ticket.
https://www.facebook.com/Bring.Pearl.Jam.To.Israel
OK! We will. Of course, that means the band won't be there either. You OK with that?
I just saved people 50 dollars.... I accidentally found your secret by looking for related EV items from Nashville, the show I went to because I hadn't seen the entire merch and had heard about the hype on EV wallet.... and was curious what it really looked like again because I didn't take a closer look at the posted pictures here on the board....
Look what I found.
Starting here: http://cgi.ebay.com/Eddie-Vedder-Signed ... 911.c0.m14
I found your handler name interesting...and since it was 2009, there was no way you could have sold/bought 189 items this year alone, so I clicked on the ebay member UserID history and I knew the name looked familiar to me....
http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... pjtour2009
You are welcome, everybody....
EV: It's your band.
~Q Magazine
"Kisses for the glow...kisses for the lease." - BDRII
Touring has never just been about the shows. It's the camaraderie- I would never consider going on tour if it just meant going from show to show without all the other things that come with touring. The new and old friends. Visiting places that I wouldn't otherwise go to. The new and old friends. The different foods. The new and old friends. The sidetrips. THE NEW AND OLD FRIENDS.
I disagree about D2D's point about equal opportunity. In no way am I equal to others when it comes to access. By putting so much of myself into the full touring experience, I'm happy to say that I'm part of this group where everyone looks after everyone else, from accommodation to transport to beer to ticket-sharing to notifying each other about announcements to carrying posters to getting merch to having a full team of people stand up for me if some idiot tries to pick a fight with me during a show. It's not equal, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
5 European shows and the fun around the shows was never going to be enough. There's no such thing as enough fond memories. Knowing friends will be at Seattle and Philly, I just had to go on 2 separate flights across the pond. Tickets to shows would just be a bonus.
Hardly taking tickets away from locals, either. Didn't have to buy a single 10c pair for the 6 shows- the aforementioned friends covered me there.
Like some old codger who just lives around the corner from my work sings,
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes
Well you just might find
You get what you need