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jimed14 · August 2009

Agree to disagee ...

letsongsprotest · August 2009

Youkilis is a complete idiot who made a Don Zimmer-esque charge to the mound. He was whining like a little bitch yesterday when he got hit too. Earlier in the year at Detroit he was crying about Rayburn running hard to first to beat out a grounder and making contact with him. If you dont like getting beaned, tell your pitchers to stop throwing at Cabrera.

...and yes, this is coming from a Tiger fan.

jimed14 · August 2009

letsongsprotest wrote:

If you dont like getting beaned, tell your pitchers to stop throwing at Cabrera.

Cabrera getting hit tonight was Cabrera's fault ... he was swinging at the pitch he got hit with.

Also, this was Tazawa's first ever start in the bigs, don't think he wanted to throw at Cabrera at all.

milarso · August 2009

soulsinging wrote:

I would say there's doubt.

I think he threw at him. No doubt in my mind that was a purpose pitch. I don't mind it either. I think there is a line between trying to hurt guys and trying to make it known you aren't going to stand by and let your guys get worked. The last two games, Boston has been terrified to pitch to Cabrera, and then hit him twice.
I think Porcello saw Youkalis throw his bitch fit yesterday (I don't think Jackson threw at him on purpose) and decided to make a statement. Youk charged the mound, and the youngster took him down with authority. There are no winners here. Both guys will sit down for a bit and live to play another day.

PS- If anyone is watching Baseball Tonight, Jon Kruk has some really entertaining things to say about "Baseball fight protocall"...

Gary Carter · August 2009

you don't throw your helmet at a defenseless pitcher. thats just being a gutless punk and shows a lack of respect for the game. i have no problem with players charging the mound. its always been part of the game and always will be a part of the game.kinda funny youk got taken down considering he isn't a lightweight by any means.

soulsinging · August 2009

jimed14 wrote:

Agree to disagee ...

Fair enough. But you're disagreeing with a lot more people than just me... ESPN, MLB Tonight, and even (from what I hear) the Boston announcers seem to think Porcello was not throwing at Youkilis on purpose.

Ah well, hopefully it'll fire up the Tigers as much as it did Boston last night. It cost them bad to lose Porcello so early, especially after Jackson not getting a good start the night before. With Beckett on the mound, they better have their a-game tonight.

The Champ · August 2009

Did I see that right, did Youkilis really get tossed aside like that by some skinny pitcher?...tough guy..

soulsinging · August 2009

The Champ wrote:

Did I see that right, did Youkilis really get tossed aside like that by some skinny pitcher?...tough guy..

Don't be too hard on the guy, he did the best he could for someone that has a pair of steroid-shrunken testicles where his brain should be.

letsongsprotest · August 2009

jimed14 wrote:

letsongsprotest wrote:

If you dont like getting beaned, tell your pitchers to stop throwing at Cabrera.

Cabrera getting hit tonight was Cabrera's fault ... he was swinging at the pitch he got hit with.

Also, this was Tazawa's first ever start in the bigs, don't think he wanted to throw at Cabrera at all.

Fair enough on Cabrera, i dont think he was hit on purpose the 2nd time. But when any teams best player gets hit 2 games in a row by the same team, you should expect retaliation.

And i'll admit, I absolutely HATE Boston (doesnt help at all that my fiance loves them and my bro has been a "life long " Red Sox fan except those memories that I have growing up of him being a Tigers fan)

But I digress. I hope Leyland starts Porcello tonight. He only threw 1 inning last night.

jimed14 · August 2009

soulsinging wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

Agree to disagee ...

Fair enough. But you're disagreeing with a lot more people than just me... ESPN, MLB Tonight, and even (from what I hear) the Boston announcers seem to think Porcello was not throwing at Youkilis on purpose.

Not sure who you were listening to, but, I just heard Steve Phllips on ESPN, and indeed, he completely thinks Porcello was throwing at Youkilis (and at V Mart in the first as well). Furthermore, I just watched Kruk and Eric Young, and EY called it a purpose pitch.

I was watching the Red Sox Broadcast, head announcer Don Orcillo totally thought he was trowing at Youk. Eckersley was just dumbfounded at why he would, but, later admited it was intentional.

I don't see how you wan watch that pitch sail in the the CENTER of Youkilis' back and not think he was aiming for him.

Fighting Hellfish · August 2009

why did Porcello get tossed? Was he supposed to just stay there and get hit with a helmet then pounded on by someone 10 years older than him and much bigger? If that's the case, every team should bat their worst player 1st, have him charge the mound and get the other team spitcher tossed

g under p · August 2009

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

why did Porcello get tossed? Was he supposed to just stay there and get hit with a helmet then pounded on by someone 10 years older than him and much bigger? If that's the case, every team should bat their worst player 1st, have him charge the mound and get the other team spitcher tossed

Well you first would have to have a pitch thrown inside to the point of backing the batter off the plate. Then the batter would've reason to charge the mound to get a teams best pitcher out of the game. You can't just have a batter charge the mound just for the sake of it.

I do get your point though as to why Porcello got tossed especially if he didn't throw a punch, the pitcher therefore is at a certain disadvantage.

Peace

jimed14 · August 2009

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

why did Porcello get tossed? Was he supposed to just stay there and get hit with a helmet then pounded on by someone 10 years older than him and much bigger? If that's the case, every team should bat their worst player 1st, have him charge the mound and get the other team spitcher tossed

Porcello threw at Youkilis, it's pretty obvious (he also threw at V Mart in the previous inning). It was a culmination of 2 nights. I'm guessing that's why he got tossed.

As for Youkilis being "much bigger", Porcello, while lighter, has 4 inches on Youkilis. If you're gonna throw at someone intentionally, you have to expect being charged, especially in the AL.

Fighting Hellfish · August 2009

g under p wrote:

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

why did Porcello get tossed? Was he supposed to just stay there and get hit with a helmet then pounded on by someone 10 years older than him and much bigger? If that's the case, every team should bat their worst player 1st, have him charge the mound and get the other team spitcher tossed

Well you first would have to have a pitch thrown inside to the point of backing the batter off the plate. Then the batter would've reason to charge the mound to get a teams best pitcher out of the game. You can't just have a batter charge the mound just for the sake of it.

I do get your point though as to why Porcello got tossed especially if he didn't throw a punch, the pitcher therefore is at a certain disadvantage.

Peace

ok, good point. guess you can't just charge the mound after strike 1

jimed14 · August 2009

Youkilis, Porcello suspended 5 games each

August 12, 2009

NEW YORK—Boston's Kevin Youkilis and Detroit pitcher Rick Porcello have been suspended for five games each and fined by Major League Baseball for their roles in a brawl.

The pair asked the players' union to appeal the penalties, which will be held off pending completion of the process.

MLB vice president Bob Watson cited Youkilis for charging the mound, throwing his helmet at Porcello and inciting Tuesday night's brawl. Watson penalized Porcello for intentionally throwing pitches at Victor Martinez in the first inning and Youkilis in the second.

In addition, Detroit pitched Edwin Jackson was fined Wednesday for what Watson said were aggressive actions during brawl.

NOTE - for a pitcher, a 5 game suspension means far less than for an every day player.

Fighting Hellfish · August 2009

that's bullshit. porcello deserved nothing, youkilis 10. How can you say they deserevd the same amount, even understanding how little a 5 game ban means to a starter? Youkilis gets 5 for charging, 5 for the helmet, If I'm in charge. he could have hurt Detroits best pitcher,who's 20, and wanted no part of a fight. Again, is he supposed to just stand there and get pummeled, with weapons? baseball's all fucked up. garza admitted he was throwing at Teixeira and got no ban, while pitchers have been suspended for throwing close, but not hitting a batter

jimed14 · August 2009

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

that's bullshit. porcello deserved nothing, youkilis 10. How can you say they deserevd the same amount, even understanding how little a 5 game ban means to a starter? Youkilis gets 5 for charging, 5 for the helmet, If I'm in charge. he could have hurt Detroits best pitcher,who's 20, and wanted no part of a fight. Again, is he supposed to just stand there and get pummeled, with weapons? baseball's all fucked up. garza admitted he was throwing at Teixeira and got no ban, while pitchers have been suspended for throwing close, but not hitting a batter

If he wanted no part of the fight, he should not be throwing at batters.

They are both appealing, I'm guessing nothing will come of that though.

soulsinging · August 2009

jimed14 wrote:

Not sure who you were listening to, but, I just heard Steve Phllips on ESPN, and indeed, he completely thinks Porcello was throwing at Youkilis (and at V Mart in the first as well). Furthermore, I just watched Kruk and Eric Young, and EY called it a purpose pitch.

I was watching the Red Sox Broadcast, head announcer Don Orcillo totally thought he was trowing at Youk. Eckersley was just dumbfounded at why he would, but, later admited it was intentional.

I don't see how you wan watch that pitch sail in the the CENTER of Youkilis' back and not think he was aiming for him.

I guess that's what comes of reading online sources. It was some blog rundown I read somewhere. I stand corrected. Though I still disagree.

Danimal · August 2009

REMY LOOKS GREAT!!!

Drop The Leash 10 · August 2009

jimed14 wrote:

Youkilis, Porcello suspended 5 games each

August 12, 2009

NEW YORK—Boston's Kevin Youkilis and Detroit pitcher Rick Porcello have been suspended for five games each and fined by Major League Baseball for their roles in a brawl.

The pair asked the players' union to appeal the penalties, which will be held off pending completion of the process.

MLB vice president Bob Watson cited Youkilis for charging the mound, throwing his helmet at Porcello and inciting Tuesday night's brawl. Watson penalized Porcello for intentionally throwing pitches at Victor Martinez in the first inning and Youkilis in the second.

In addition, Detroit pitched Edwin Jackson was fined Wednesday for what Watson said were aggressive actions during brawl.

NOTE - for a pitcher, a 5 game suspension means far less than for an every day player.

fair punishment on both ends... the fine that youk recieves will be alot larger than whatever porcello recieves.

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