Eddie Vedder tix auctions benefiting West Memphis Three

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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    so lets talk about that swell guy Damien Echols....

    did he spend plenty of time in mental hospitals????
    did he threaten to kill his parents???
    did he threaten to kill and EAT his father???
    does the government consider him disabled because of his mental condition???


    And this equals guilt to you? All that other shit means nothing but this means everything? So even though they don't have ANY evidence linking Echols, or the other two guys to the murder, BUT they do have evidence linking the step fathers...because the guy was mentally unstable he's guilty.
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    i dont remember saying that....

    i just feel like discussing the background of this swell guy Mr. Vedder wants freed from prison.....


    So are you arguing that's he's guilty because he's mentally unstable or that he should be locked up because he's mentally unstable?
  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    Speedy doesn't like Echols because Echols is black.
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,953
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    And this equals guilt to you? All that other shit means nothing but this means everything? So even though they don't have ANY evidence linking Echols, or the other two guys to the murder, BUT they do have evidence linking the step fathers...because the guy was mentally unstable he's guilty.
    all im doing is discussing the background of this swell guy Mr. Vedder thinks should be released form prison.....
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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    all im doing is discussing the background of this swell guy Mr. Vedder thinks should be released form prison.....


    It's pretty obvious you don't think he should, which is why I asked the other question. You're making it sound like you think this guy should be locked up not matter what, and him being guilty or not has little affect on that.
  • dreaminincolor
    dreaminincolor Posts: 87
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    all im doing is discussing the background of this swell guy Mr. Vedder thinks should be released form prison.....


    what isyour evidence speedy that proves him guilty? just curious
    also, he spent a couple months in a hospital...that does not prove anything...
    i have close family members who suffer from mental illnesses, does that make them guilty of something?! other than having to deal with a chemical inbalance?

    anyway, the defense fund can definitely use the money that will be raised from the auctions:)
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,953
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    It's pretty obvious you don't think he should, which is why I asked the other question. You're making it sound like you think this guy should be locked up not matter what, and him being guilty or not has little affect on that.
    how many times did jessie misskelley confess to the murders???
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  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    I think I get what Speedy is saying. The issue he is trying to discuss, from how I see it, he seems to be saying that is even if this guy didn't comit murder he is a guy of shall we say questionable character (which if true why would you want to associate with him, murderer or not). Now I don't know much about this case, but if this is true, it would seem to me that there are probably tons of people in jail for crimes they didn't comit that probably are stand up guys (probably some even on death row), so why is this guy getting all the attention.
  • dreaminincolor
    dreaminincolor Posts: 87
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    how many times did jessie misskelley confess to the murders???


    can you tell me how long they had jessie in interrogation?
    what is his IQ?
    did they record much of the interrogation?
    how much of what he confessed to was actually found in evidence?

    you should do research on both sides then make your argument....and i'm not sure what makes damien questionable, i don't find the people i know who suffer from depression and other illnesses questionable....
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,953
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    I think I get what Speedy is saying. The issue he is trying to discuss, from how I see it, he seems to be saying that is even if this guy didn't comit murder he is a guy of shall we say questionable character. Now I don't know much about this case, but if this is true, it would seem to me that there are probably tons of people in jail for crimes they didn't comit that probably are stand up guys (probably some even on death row), so why is this guy getting all the attention.
    thank you....
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,953
    dreamin'incolor wrote:
    can you tell me how long they had jessie in interrogation?
    what is his IQ?
    did they record much of the interrogation?
    how much of what he confessed to was actually found in evidence?

    you should do research on both sides then make your argument....and i'm not sure what makes damien questionable, i don't find the people i know who suffer from depression and other illnesses questionable....
    I have done plenty of research....

    again....how many times did Jessie confess???
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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    how many times did jessie misskelley confess to the murders???


    Are you talking about the misskelley whose IQ labels him as borderlined mentally retarded? The one that was questioned alone for four hours. Four hours in which roughly forty six minutes was actually video taped. The same misskelley who gave a confession filled with errors that had nothing to do with the murders? The same misskelley that a professional on confessions was talking about when he said misskelley's confession was a prime example of a false confession brought on a strong arm police tactics? That sounds like a bullshit confession by a unreliable source. What if misskelley had said that he knew for sure Echol's hadn't had anything to do with it? Would you hold him up as a sure fire, fool proof witness?
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    I think I get what Speedy is saying. The issue he is trying to discuss, from how I see it, he seems to be saying that is even if this guy didn't comit murder he is a guy of shall we say questionable character (which if true why would you want to associate with him, murderer or not). Now I don't know much about this case, but if this is true, it would seem to me that there are probably tons of people in jail for crimes they didn't comit that probably are stand up guys (probably some even on death row), so why is this guy getting all the attention.


    It's not just him. It's two other guys convicted for a crime on very questionable evidence and shitty police tactics. Echols was made out to be the "genius mastermind" at the trial so he became the poster boy for all three of them.
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,953
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    Are you talking about the misskelley whose IQ labels him as borderlined mentally retarded? The one that was questioned alone for four hours. Four hours in which roughly forty six minutes was actually video taped. The same misskelley who gave a confession filled with errors that had nothing to do with the murders? The same misskelley that a professional on confessions was talking about when he said misskelley's confession was a prime example of a false confession brought on a strong on police tactics? That sounds like a bullshit confession by a unreliable source. What if misskelley had said that he knew for sure Echol's hadn't had anything to do with it? Would you hold him up as a sure fire, fool proof witness?
    yes that jessie...

    how many times has he confessed to those murders???
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,953
    is it a fact????

    that jessie confessed Twice on tape???
    Once after being convicted???

    and also confessed to some jail guards????

    or is this false???
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  • Dylan Stone
    Dylan Stone Posts: 1,145
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    yes that jessie...

    how many times has he confessed to those murders???

    How many times did Ralph Macchio confess in My Cousin Vinny?

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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    yes that jessie...

    how many times has he confessed to those murders???


    It does not matter. If he's giving confessions that are factually incorrect then they don't mean shit. He said he watched the boys get raped. This was before it was known that the boys had in fact, not been raped. It's a confession that isn't a confession, but a defense mechanism used to protect himself and to please those around him. This is painfully obvious and is undeniable.
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,953
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    It does not matter. If he's giving confessions that are factually incorrect then they don't mean shit. He said he watched the boys get raped. This was before it was known that the boys had in fact, not been raped. It's a confession that isn't a confession, but a defense mechanism used to protect himself. And from what I can gather, I've only seen the possibility of two confessions. The original, which is complete, and undeniably unusable, and another to a separate police officer, even though there is no actual evidence of this second confession.
    how many times prior to the murders was damien echols arrested for threatening to kill his parents???
    threatening to kill his girlfriends parents???
    threatening to kill police officers???

    and should we start discussing damien echols behavior when he spent time in the mental hospitals????

    because that is some really good shit.....hehehehe
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  • dreaminincolor
    dreaminincolor Posts: 87
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    how many times prior to the murders was damien echols arrested for threatening to kill his parents???
    threatening to kill his girlfriends parents???
    threatening to kill police officers???

    and should we start discussing damien echols behavior when he spent time in the mental hospitals????

    because that is some really good shit.....hehehehe


    hmmm, he was arrested for threatening to kill his parents?? where did you read that??? i'm only curious as i would like to read it as well since i have never read that before!
    have you ever suffered from depression before, clinically diagnosed?
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    how many times prior to the murders was damien echols arrested for threatening to kill his parents???
    threatening to kill his girlfriends parents???
    threatening to kill police officers???

    and should we start discussing damien echols behavior when he spent time in the mental hospitals????

    because that is some really good shit.....hehehehe


    which goes back to a question i asked long ago. Do you want him locked up because he's guilty or because he's mentally unstable?

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