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  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    funny you bring that up. I remember talking to a friend the day after the Yankees won Game 3. (I watched the Game 3 19-8 blowout during my surprise 30th birthday party) I said: I hope they win it tonight, so they don't even give them a chance of getting back into it. My friend agreed wholeheartedly. I remember reading an article in the paper after the series was over. The author blamed himself for the Yankees losing. Due to work obligations, he had to go to bed early Sunday night (Game 4) so he hoped the Red Sox won that game, just so he could be awake to see the Yankees win in Game 5
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,230
    Speaking of that series.....on that Saturday while at my daughter's soccer I felt relieved in a way being down 3-0. So another parent who knew I was a diehard Sox fan said well it's over huh, not knowing what really to say I just told him "Shiiit It ain't over till it's over".

    Went back home and atually watched and enjoyed the series even though I had that Godfather III feeling, "Every time I try to get out they pull me back IN" you know how the Sox tend to tease one. However, it seemed all the tension and anxiety was gone and RS went on to win. The next Saturday I just went up to him smiled and shock his hand and told him I don't believe what they just did.

    After they won it all I told him I'm good for Championships for the next 10 years just as long as they can keep up with the Yankees. A feeling I'll never forget just like the awful feeling of 86' Series with the fricking METS man I disliked that team. :)

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    Solat13 wrote:
    Cold beer never tastes so good as when the Sox are winning.

    Lowell will be back unless he makes a crazy 4 year 12-14 million dollar a year demand. Plus he's good friends with Beckett and really seems to enjoy playing in Boston. His career resurrected here.

    The Sox have approximately 50-53 million coming off their payroll at the end of the season. Clement, Gagne, Hinske, Donnelly, Mirabelli, Kielty and Pineiro's contracts all are up at the end of the year. So is Schilling and Lowell's and I think both will be back. Timlin is up as well and I think he may have one more year left in him. And the Sox have option years on Taverez and Wakefield.

    Why on earth would you want Lowell and "Paint Sock" back? Lowell is showing his age on the defensive end, and really his offense is what an above average 3rd baseman should do playing 81 games at Fenway -which is why any talk of him and MVP is stupid. Schilling is a shell of his former self (read: has rarely gone deep into games this postseason), and will be asking for more monies.

    With 50-53 million coming off payroll it seems obvious to me what the Sawx should do...get the best player in baseball A-Rod for ($30 million) or wait for the best pitcher in baseball Johan Santana ($28 million), then fill in where they need to. So if they go for Santana then fine re-sign Lowell. Or if they go for A-Rod, then get some "Brandon" Arroyo type to fit Paint Sock's roll. I say they should go for A-Rod their rotation (assuming Wakefield retires like a gentlemen) will set up like this already:
    1. Beckett (18 wins if healthy)
    2. Daisuke (15-18 wins depending on improvement)
    3. Buckholtz (10-18 wins depending on injury+innings)
    4. Lester (8-14 wins depending on luck which he got a lot of last year)
    5. With approximately 65-75 wins out of the other 4 you could put me in here and they are going to the playoffs.

    Look I am no fan of the sox but I can say that your team will be a lot better if they dump Lowell and Shilling for the Rodded one. Besides with that staff the line up would be like this:

    1. Ellsbury CF (good leadoff game as long as he can run)
    2. Padroia 2B (a.k.a. Pokey Reese as a Red)
    3. Ortiz DH (better hitter now than in '04)
    4. Rodriguez 3B (best player in baseball and its not really close)
    5. Ramirez LF (the only thing that makes the '07 sox watchable)
    6. Youkilis 1B (a.k.a. Doug Mientkiwicz as a Twin)
    7. Drew RF (a.k.a. the token white outfielder the sawx always have)
    8. Varitek C (people should be on perma-steal vs. this candy arm)
    9. Lugo (a.k.a. latest in a long line of sucky Sawx shortstops)
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    ryan198 wrote:
    get the best player in baseball A-Rod for ($30 million)
    undeniably a-rod is a class act, and a class douche.
    ryan198 wrote:
    if they dump Lowell
    i don't want a-rod, and Lowell should not be dumped!

    Would you kindly shut your noise-hole.... ;)
  • gregkitefan
    gregkitefan Posts: 1,122
    ryan198 wrote:
    Why on earth would you want Lowell and "Paint Sock" back? Lowell is showing his age on the defensive end, and really his offense is what an above average 3rd baseman should do playing 81 games at Fenway -which is why any talk of him and MVP is stupid.


    I guess you don't watch much baseball if you think Lowell is showing his age on defense.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    ryan198 wrote:
    Why on earth would you want Lowell and "Paint Sock" back? Lowell is showing his age on the defensive end, and really his offense is what an above average 3rd baseman should do playing 81 games at Fenway -which is why any talk of him and MVP is stupid. Schilling is a shell of his former self (read: has rarely gone deep into games this postseason), and will be asking for more monies.

    With 50-53 million coming off payroll it seems obvious to me what the Sawx should do...get the best player in baseball A-Rod for ($30 million) or wait for the best pitcher in baseball Johan Santana ($28 million), then fill in where they need to. So if they go for Santana then fine re-sign Lowell. Or if they go for A-Rod, then get some "Brandon" Arroyo type to fit Paint Sock's roll. I say they should go for A-Rod their rotation (assuming Wakefield retires like a gentlemen) will set up like this already:

    2. Padroia 2B (a.k.a. Pokey Reese as a Red)

    Schilling wants a one year deal. Here are his exact words from the Red Sox message board: "It's not any different than it was at the beginning of the year. This is my first choice, I want a one year deal and it will be a deal that works for the team and myself. If it's other than Boston then the dollars will be a significant factor, along with the teams ability to contend, or field an incredibly talented blend of young players that are on the cusp of being very good. I would like to think a serious contender would be interested if Boston doesn't work out, but if for some reason that doesn't happen then I'd really like to be a part of a talented group of young up and coming pitchers that want to win."

    If you pay him his 12-13 million again for one year, you still have the money to go after Santana, Sheets or Sabathia next year who are all potential free agents.

    I'm only going to briefly address the Lowell fielding knock, but he has had a better zone factor and range factor than A-Rod the last 2 years and if hitting at Fenway is so easy, why did he break the team record for rbis for a 3b last season?

    Reese was always a horrible hitter with a below average OPS and never a higher than .330 OBP in even his best season. A Pokey Reese type player would never be a full time starter on a Red Sox team that likes to work counts unless he was an injury stop gap which was the case in 04. Reese's best year was an OPS+ of 86 which is 14% below league average of a typical player regardless of position. Pedroia's as a rookie was 112 which is 12% higher than the average player. And don't forget you have to account league factors as Reese had his "great" season in the inferior National League.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • jojo
    jojo Posts: 645
    the game will begin shortly
    Did the Pats make today lucky ? ;)
    Ralph: Me fail English? That's unpossible.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,230
    jojo wrote:
    the game will begin shortly
    Did the Pats make today lucky ? ;)

    I think so, BEANTOWN is on a roll for sure.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • jojo
    jojo Posts: 645
    g under p wrote:
    I think so, BEANTOWN is on a roll for sure.

    Peace


    I'm not talking about celebrations until the last out is in the glove :D
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,230
    jojo wrote:
    I'm not talking about celebrations until the last out is in the glove :D

    Oh I'm right with you, it's just that Boston sports in general are on fire. Being up 3-0 is good but means nothing until the last victory is won.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,230
    Damn I went away and the Sox are up 1-0 what happened?

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    g under p wrote:
    Damn I went away and the Sox are up 1-0 what happened?

    Peace

    Double by Ellsbury, moves to third on groundball by Pedroia, and Ortiz knocks him in with a single through the drawn in infield.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Allie
    Allie Posts: 2,908
    g under p wrote:
    Damn I went away and the Sox are up 1-0 what happened?

    Peace

    Papi drove in Ellsbury, I think.
    "...like a word misplaced, nothing said, what a waste.."
    "Sometimes life should be consumed in measured doses"
    6-01-06
    6/25/08
    Free Speedy
    and Metsy!
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,230
    Great first inning, a score and shut them down.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Nice pick at first there by Ortiz. Who says the big man can't play first? ;)
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    What is it with the National league? The Rockies were the shit in the NL, but got nothing on the AL Red Sox. The NL is like the minor league.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,230
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    What is it with the National league? The Rockies were the shit in the NL, but got nothing on the AL Red Sox. The NL is like the minor league.

    Not so fast, the Rockies got hot and reached the WS. They're going up against the Red Sox the team with the best record in the AL so things aren't going too easy. They maybe just worn down but this game is not over by a long shot.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,230
    The Captain comes through.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    g under p wrote:
    The Captain comes through.

    Peace

    Yep, that was a big run. A couple more would make this game almost out of reach with how the Rockies have been struggling offensively.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    What is it with the National league? The Rockies were the shit in the NL, but got nothing on the AL Red Sox. The NL is like the minor league.

    That's the feeling I'm getting watching this series. I think the real '07 World Series was the ALCS.
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