"Breastfeeding Moms Protest H&M"

catefrances wrote:

of course it makes sense. but sometimes you just got to hit them over the head with it as well, you know.

That is true. You know, I'm not really a "hit them over the head with it" kind of person in my daily life, so that's probably why I personally favor what I described. (Yes, I know that's hard to believe, since I have made like a million posts in this thread..lol! I'm just really chatty today for some reason, and I feel strongly about this. )

catefrances wrote:

i mean honestly what the hell are those women doing wasting that gorgeous breast full of life sustaining milk on some screaming baby while there are men who could be totally amusing themselves with it.

father i want to kill you... mother i want to ....

Look, I think the problem is, that as a whole in western society, women think that they own their breasts and the fact remains that clearly they do not. :rolleyes: Sure they're attached to us but we are not in charge of them, they don't really belong to us. What we do with them is not up to us, clearly society as a whole dictates what women can and cannot do when it comes to their own breasts.
It's part of that whole thing that a woman loses her sexuality once she becomes a Mummy and therefore she's got to keep the ta-tas locked up. :rolleyes:

Seriously though, I'm surprised that more people aren't advocating the burkhas.

ooh side note, now that I think of it, after 30 odd years of men talking to my breasts I'm kinda glad that I've not had to breastfeed in public I can quite imagine the hoo ha if my technique wasn't suitably restrained and discreet and frankly I shudder to think what a balancing act trying to wrestle one of my already ample bossoms, swollen with breast milk from a brassiere (my natural enemy) would end like. Bound to drop the baby and cause all kinds of scenes. Wouldn't folk get an eyeful then?

vduboise wrote:

Originally Posted by Vedderfan10
And, I think as a society, we have a little thing called modesty...And nobody is saying that women can't breast feed in public...Just wear a cape and stop being so "in your face" about it...


I have to agree with Vedderfan10- a little modesty shows that you have some respect for the people around you. I respect that you need to feed your child.

H&M was not stopping her from feeding her child, they just asked that she be a bit more modest about it and go into the changing room. I know that some rooms are small, other's are not. At the H&M where I live the room is big enough to hold a stroller- and there is a seat to get comfortable.

Again- her right to feed the baby was not stopped by the store.

Will you be covering up the Hooters girls too then? Or advocating burkhas for all women?

I don't know about you but you can barely swing a cat in a change room and the bench seats are generally too hard to sit on and uncomfortably narrow anyway, EVEN supposing they have a seat. (breast feeding on the change room floor anyone?) BEFORE you add the stroller, the cape, (coz lets face it there's probably a security guy on camera somewhere getting his jollies) there's nowhere to do much of anything really. But it's cool, in the name of "selective discretion" lets bundle the women off somewhere to jump through hoops for the benefit of those with some severely fucked up attitudes to the female of the species. As long as people's highly questionable morals and sensibilities aren't infringed all is well in the world.

catefrances wrote:

not to mention taking your baby away from you cause clearly you are an incompetant mother for dropping the little tike. probably on drugs too.

Well you know, it wouldn't surprise me if they did, supposing I had for some strange reason not committed murderous intent on my offspring and had an abortion to begin with, supposing I'd actually given birth and was even attempting to leave the house and breastfeed, well there's a really good chance I'd be one of those lepers of society, the single mother :eek: anyway on account clearly my judgement would be severely lacking no matter what option I took and given my "luck" with the fellas I can't imagine there'd actually be a baby daddy in the picture, so I'd already be facing a huge outcry from the moral majority. So sure why not question my sexual activity, my mental prowess, and my compentancy as well? I'm bound to be a drug addict and a whore to boot! Hell, I'm a woman, I've learned to expect this shit my whole life. You know, I'll say it again, sometimes I really wish I'd been born with a dick. Life is easier with a dick.

cutback wrote:

now what made you do THAT?!

Ever tried to wrestle a bra onto your personage cb?

I liken it to swinging cats. Not that I would of course!

vduboise wrote:

no burkhas, only if you want to - and the Hooters can cover up if they want to. Its their right to be skimpy or covered up. As it is your right to breastfeed.
But what about the right of the others around you. I don't go to Hooters because I don't want to see the scanty clad women. I have a choice on that. Where is my right to be comfortable when I'm out and about? Yes, I can turn away when someone is breastfeeding- but now my right to not see it is gone, when that choice is taken way from me.

Women, go ahead and whip it out- but just be conscientious about it.

And I would think any chair would be comfortable than standing in the middle of the store.

So let me get this straight? Burkhas only if I want to but a baby burkha for feeding my (mythical at this stage) baby is mandatory? That if I'm breast feeding I have to be pure and chaste and use discretion so as not to offend others whose choice is taken away and are scarred for life by the terrible image of my breast feeding my child because that's so much more offensive than turning on the tele or walking past a billboard or strolling along the beach looking at all kinds of boobies in varying states of exposure?
Who is looking out for my interests when I've inadvertantly been going about my day and seen topless men on Calvin Kline billboards scorching my eyes? WHO has been concerned with my choice not to view on the NUMEROUS occassions I've had the misfortune to see a male penis whilst going about my day? What about those drooling disabled people that insist on eating in public with their families that have the potential to turn my stomach? What about the drunken idiots who stagger out of the pub and throw up on the pavement in front of me, who's policing their behaviour? What about those charming individuals that spit in public? Who is insisting that they dress a certain way, use discretion, develop techniques not to offend others?
Seriously if people going about their business offends you and you're frightened of what you'll see, hmmm....maybe don't leave the house? There are people out there with all kinds of heinous behaviour flaws that you are gonna come across in a life. Breastfeeding mothers really aren't even in the same ball park.

Oh and if a woman wants to breastfeed, who the fuck am I to tell her what technique to use? If standing to feed is what makes her and her baby comfortable and it's easier for them both then so be it. I couldn't care less if someone lay on their back in the middle of the street to do it if that was the best technique for them.

vduboise wrote:

...Women, go ahead and whip it out- but just be conscientious about it.

Sorry, missed this.

So if my intent is to breast feed when I whip it out then I need to be conscientous about it but if it's purely for titivation purposes I'm not required to be conscientous?

Jeanie wrote:

So let me get this straight? Burkhas only if I want to but a baby burkha for feeding my (mythical at this stage) baby is mandatory? That if I'm breast feeding I have to be pure and chaste and use discretion so as not to offend others whose choice is taken away and are scarred for life by the terrible image of my breast feeding my child because that's so much more offensive than turning on the tele or walking past a billboard or strolling along the beach looking at all kinds of boobies in varying states of exposure?
Who is looking out for my interests when I've inadvertantly been going about my day and seen topless men on Calvin Kline billboards scorching my eyes? WHO has been concerned with my choice not to view on the NUMEROUS occassions I've had the misfortune to see a male penis whilst going about my day? What about those drooling disabled people that insist on eating in public with their families that have the potential to turn my stomach? What about the drunken idiots who stagger out of the pub and throw up on the pavement in front of me, who's policing their behaviour? What about those charming individuals that spit in public? Who is insisting that they dress a certain way, use discretion, develop techniques not to offend others?
Seriously if people going about their business offends you and you're frightened of what you'll see, hmmm....maybe don't leave the house? There are people out there with all kinds of heinous behaviour flaws that you are gonna come across in a life. Breastfeeding mothers really aren't even in the same ball park.

Oh and if a woman wants to breastfeed, who the fuck am I to tell her what technique to use? If standing to feed is what makes her and her baby comfortable and it's easier for them both then so be it. I couldn't care less if someone lay on their back in the middle of the street to do it if that was the best technique for them.

Yes the world is cruel and unjust to women- I am a woman and I know about it- Yes there are double standards-

Again, breastfeed your baby when you want to- but what is the problem with being discrete? Is modesty a bad thing?

There are things that I don't look at and are offended by. As I said, I turn way-sometimes I can, sometimes I can't. If I don't like something I don't go there or support the store, etc...
But what about my rights? They don't count- only women who are breastfeeding should have rights?

catefrances wrote:

and what exactly offends you that you cant turn away from?

your rights? sure you have the right to move freely about. you certainly dont have to stand there and be subjected to some mother feeding her child, whose right it is to be fed.

It's not about being offended, but whats the problem with being discrete? From what I've seen, some (not all) just whip it out without consideration. I don't want to see your breast- it has nothing to do with sexuality or nurturing your child. Just be considerate of other's around you.

vduboise wrote:

Yes the world is cruel and unjust to women- I am a woman and I know about it- Yes there are double standards-

Again, breastfeed your baby when you want to- but what is the problem with being discrete? Is modesty a bad thing?

There are things that I don't look at and are offended by. As I said, I turn way-sometimes I can, sometimes I can't. If I don't like something I don't go there or support the store, etc...
But what about my rights? They don't count- only women who are breastfeeding should have rights?

Well it seems to me that the rights of breastfeeding mothers have been sorely overlooked if a society that has no problem with topless women serving them and their children food is acceptable but using your breast to nourish your child has a whole bunch of rules and regulations attached to it. Bottom line you leave the house you're gonna come across people and sure they're gonna do things that you don't like or don't want to see. I really don't see why it's necessary to have to take into consideration the thoughts and feelings of every single person around you and make sure that you are appeasing everybody while your baby screams to be fed. It's just not practical, so ultimately the baby needs to be fed and it should be, if other people then want to judge your technique or actions well I guess they don't have enough to think about in a day.
As a woman surely you are sick and tired of all the rules and regulations, the standards and opinions that people place on your very existence?

Personally I think if you see something you don't like you have the right to look away or take action, I guess I'd save my action and protest for things like people perpetrating violence against each other, something that American society as a whole seems to have a general blaseness about. I don't understand the puritanical, judgemental attitude (not saying you here) to the naked form WHATEVER people happen to be doing while they're naked.