"Breastfeeding Moms Protest H&M"

catefrances

Vedderfan10 wrote:

That is NOT the same thing... Maybe you might want to read a little more of this thread... And, I think as a society, we have a little thing called modesty...And nobody is saying that women can't breast feed in public...Just wear a cape and stop being so "in your face" about it...

if you deny me a right i will protest to draw attention to it. im certainly glad martin luther king and friends didnt do anything too in your face when their rights were trodden upon. and brain of jlo i am disappointed that you think protest isnt necessary.

Jeanie

catefrances wrote:

oh look its a burkha for western babies.

This oughta cover it!

http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/burka.jpg

Yep, them muslims might be on to something.

catefrances

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

Women are actually encouraged to carry a copy of the law in their diaper bag in case they run into opposition. After giving birth to my daughter, I received a wallet-sized card in the mail "from" Illinois first lady First Lady Patti Blagojevich which verified that it is indeed legal to breastfeed in a public place.

what kind of fucked up country makes this necessary?

catefrances

Jeanie wrote:

This oughta cover it!

http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/burka.jpg

Yep, them muslims might be on to something.

yep. best hide all the offensive feminine bits away cause men are pigs who cant control themselves. and others are just ridiculously anal.

meme

Vedderfan10 wrote:

And, I think as a society, we have a little thing called modesty...And nobody is saying that women can't breast feed in public...Just wear a cape and stop being so "in your face" about it...

Who is we? Britney? Spitzer? Paris? Where do you live again?

And does the law talk about a burk... cape women have to use while breastfeeding?

Didn't think so.

Brain of J.Lo

catefrances wrote:

and brain of jlo i am disappointed that you think protest isnt necessary.

Well, let me clarify. The reason I don't think a formal group protest is necessary is that I think people should just do their thing, and keep doing it and keep doing it....and eventually people will just get over it. It seems that a formal protest only fuels the argument that all women breastfeeding in public--especially those not hiding under capes, lol--are only doing so to make a political statement. Instead, I think that moms should just stand their ground, do there thing....and eventually it will be taken for granted as normal. I don't know if that makes sense or not. I'm sleepy, lol. And I keep coming back here, but I just can't turn the computer off...lol.

Brain of J.Lo

catefrances wrote:

what kind of fucked up country makes this necessary?

The kind of fucked up country in which the one-time Attorney General demands that drapes cover nude sculptures. :rolleyes:

http://www.unitedstatesgovernment.net/coveringupjustice.htm

Taking that into account, is anyone surprised by this debate?

vduboise

I've read the past posts, and my 2¢ is that you should be able to feed your baby when they are hungry. Most people feel that the blatant whip out the breast without regard to others around you is what is most troubling.

What is the problem with using a blanket to cover up? Baby gets fed and no one has to see your breast.

meme

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

Well, let me clarify. The reason I don't think a formal group protest is necessary is that I think people should just do their thing, and keep doing it and keep doing it....and eventually people will just get over it. It seems that a formal protest only fuels the argument that all women breastfeeding in public--especially those not hiding under capes, lol--are only doing so to make a political statement. Instead, I think that moms should just stand their ground, do there thing....and eventually it will be taken for granted as normal. I don't know if that makes sense or not. I'm sleepy, lol. And I keep coming back here, but I just can't turn the computer off...lol.

I don't think it would have come to laws protecting women's right to breast feed in public (right, not concession contingent upon modesty) were it not for women making political statements. I think it is important to recognize that moms and women "doing their thing" stand on the shoulders and in the path of someone who wasn't allowed to do that "thing" and fought for that right.

catefrances

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

Well, let me clarify. The reason I don't think a formal group protest is necessary is that I think people should just do their thing, and keep doing it and keep doing it....and eventually people will just get over it. It seems that a formal protest only fuels the argument that all women breastfeeding in public--especially those not hiding under capes, lol--are only doing so to make a political statement. Instead, I think that moms should just stand their ground, do there thing....and eventually it will be taken for granted as normal. I don't know if that makes sense or not. I'm sleepy, lol. And I keep coming back here, but I just can't turn the computer off...lol.

and who cares if breastfeeding your child in public is seen as a political statement? by whom? men? up tight bitches? those who conveniently forget they were breastfed as babies?

Jeanie

catefrances wrote:

yep. best hide all the offensive feminine bits away cause men are pigs who cant control themselves. and others are just ridiculously anal.

Now, now cate, the boys aren't asking for women to hide the "offensive" feminine bits they're only asking that women only show their breasts in the appropriate manner ie for their sexual gratification. Breastfeeding in public only stirs the oedipal complexes of some and they can't handle it.

Besides we can all see this is just another bullshit addition to the "what women must do" list. :rolleyes:

Almost makes me want to get the girls out just for the fuck of it.
If Hooters can be a "family restaurant" then I don't really see what the problem is. It seems to be about discretion mostly but from what I'm seeing we're talking "selective" discretion.

catefrances

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

The kind of fucked up country in which the one-time Attorney General demands that drapes cover nude sculptures. :rolleyes:

http://www.unitedstatesgovernment.net/coveringupjustice.htm

Taking that into account, is anyone surprised by this debate?

nothing about the united states surprises me anymore. but i am often disappointed and endlessly amused though.

Brain of J.Lo

My feeling is this: I definitely think there was a time when protesting was necessary. However, the law is now on the side of the mother, thanks to those who have fought for the support.

I don't care if John Doe next to me in a restaurant is uncomfortable with what I'm doing. And I don't care if he thinks I'm just trying to make a statement by doing it. The fact is, he *can't* stop me from doing it...so the more that I just weave breastfeeding into my daily life as a new mom (hypothetically), and the more other women do the same...it slowly just becomes a "normal" part of society. That's why I favor simply exercising the right vs. a formal protest.

Does that makes sense?

Brain of J.Lo

Jeanie wrote:

Now, now cate, the boys aren't asking for women to hide the "offensive" feminine bits they're only asking that women only show their breasts in the appropriate manner ie for their sexual gratification. Breastfeeding in public only stirs the oedipal complexes of some and they can't handle it.

Besides we can all see this is just another bullshit addition to the "what women must do" list. :rolleyes:

Almost makes me want to get the girls out just for the fuck of it.
If Hooters can be a "family restaurant" then I don't really see what the problem is. It seems to be about discretion mostly but from what I'm seeing we're talking "selective" discretion.

lol I love this post.

Brain of J.Lo

catefrances wrote:

nothing about the united states surprises me anymore. but i am often disappointed and endlessly amused though.

I know.

*sigh*

catefrances

Jeanie wrote:

Now, now cate, the boys aren't asking for women to hide the "offensive" feminine bits they're only asking that women only show their breasts in the appropriate manner ie for their sexual gratification. Breastfeeding in public only stirs the oedipal complexes of some and they can't handle it.

Besides we can all see this is just another bullshit addition to the "what women must do" list. : rolleyes:

Almost makes me want to get the girls out just for the fuck of it. : D
If Hooters can be a "family restaurant" then I don't really see what the problem is. It seems to be about discretion mostly but from what I'm seeing we're talking "selective" discretion.

i mean honestly what the hell are those women doing wasting that gorgeous breast full of life sustaining milk on some screaming baby while there are men who could be totally amusing themselves with it. :rolleyes:

father i want to kill you... mother i want to ....

Jeanie

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

lol I love this post.

Well let me just say I've been thoroughly enjoying your posts in this thread.

Although I still love a good protest!

And I figure if the Hooters girls can protest then breast feeding Mums can too.

meme

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

My feeling is this: I definitely think there was a time when protesting was necessary. However, the law is now on the side of the mother, thanks to those who have fought for the support.

I don't care if John Doe next to me in a restaurant is uncomfortable with what I'm doing. And I don't care if he thinks I'm just trying to make a statement by doing it. The fact is, he *can't* stop me from doing it...so the more that I just weave breastfeeding into my daily life as a new mom (hypothetically), and the more other women do the same...it slowly just becomes a "normal" part of society. That's why I favor simply exercising the right vs. a formal protest.

Does that makes sense?

It does. A little

What I am saying is there is nothing wrong with reinforcing and reminding people of laws, and shaming those who are not with the program. If the protest caused just a handful of people to become aware that it is against the law and against their employer policies to show breastfeeding moms to the changing room, then that was worth it.

And by the way, I think it is condescending to tell women about the presence of changing rooms like the OP says he does. They know, they just like getting on your nerves, deal with it.

Brain of J.Lo

Jeanie wrote:

Well let me just say I've been thoroughly enjoying your posts in this thread.

Although I still love a good protest!

And I figure if the Hooters girls can protest then breast feeding Mums can too.

lol, thanks. I'm glad someone is.

catefrances

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

My feeling is this: I definitely think there was a time when protesting was necessary. However, the law is now on the side of the mother, thanks to those who have fought for the support.

I don't care if John Doe next to me in a restaurant is uncomfortable with what I'm doing. And I don't care if he thinks I'm just trying to make a statement by doing it. The fact is, he *can't* stop me from doing it...so the more that I just weave breastfeeding into my daily life as a new mom (hypothetically), and the more other women do the same...it slowly just becomes a "normal" part of society. That's why I favor simply exercising the right vs. a formal protest.

Does that makes sense?

of course it makes sense. but sometimes you just got to hit them over the head with it as well, you know.