Tipping in the service industry

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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    Retracted.
  • haffajappa
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    EquallyWorthless wrote:
    Well you were bang on until this ignorant statement.
    yah my thoughts too?
    i didn't think i'd actually have to explain WHY it was used :rolleyes:
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  • Vedderlution_Baby
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    doin'the-evolution wrote:
    while i agree with your statements...
    then i only have to reply to the last paragraph as this:

    i "don't give a fuck" to you americans who think that one should manditory tip or stay home.

    the japan thing was an example, and I'll make the assumption that you're a open-minded, intelligent enough person to understand that. it was an example for those who have brought up the, "tip or stay home" argument, that maybe the statements made by those people who call those of us who are selective about tipping "cheap"... should actually have been "in america.... you should..." (as you have so intelligently done in the second to last paragraph). because really, some of us who are selective about the whole tipping thing in this thread so far haven't been Americans - and we're just pointing out its a cultural thing (and using Japan as an example).

    unless you didn't know, people from all over the planet post here. :)



    I realize that. I stated in an earlier post that I never thought that any foreigners who stiffed me did so on purpose, but simply because they didn't know about the customs and the wages that servers have. I knew that Canadians make the actual minimum wage and that if they came to the states, then they probably wouldn't tip. Some of the shit that I was replying to irritated me and I mouthed off a bit, although I should be saying that to the poster I was responding to and not you. That and I didn't see what it had to do with anything that I said that the poster quoted.
  • haffajappa
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    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    I realize that. I stated in an earlier post that I never thought that any foreigners who stiffed me did so on purpose, but simply because they didn't know about the customs and the wages that servers have. I knew that Canadians make the actual minimum wage and that if they came to the states, then they probably wouldn't tip. Some of the shit that I was replying to irritated me and I mouthed off a bit, although I should be saying that to the poster I was responding to and not you.
    understandable.
    i think what we both were trying to say in general was that some people (not just you of course) in this thread are quick to jump the gun and call everyone cheap or stingy without realising that not all the posters are from the same culture.

    i dont think the second part of equallyworthless' post was directed solely at you, but the americans (or whoever) in general who are calling people cheap without taking into account the different cultural opinons on the board.
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  • Vedderlution_Baby
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    doin'the-evolution wrote:
    understandable.
    i think what we both were trying to say in general was that some people (not just you of course) in this thread are quick to jump the gun and call everyone cheap or stingy without realising that not all the posters are from the same culture.

    i dont think the second part of equallyworthless' post was directed solely at you, but the americans (or whoever) in general who are calling people cheap without taking into account the different cultural opinons on the board.



    I jumped the gun with that comment. I apologize for saying it and I went ahead and took it out. Once again, sorry guys.

    And you're right about trying to discuss a certain aspect of life with various cultures when 1) It varies dramatically from culture to culture to such a point that it's even taken into consideration by the government when coming up with min. wage laws and 2) Sometimes it's unknown where some posters reside.

    There's been a couple of posters in here that have said "Why should I? There doing their job" or have known people to say that that are from the states, which blows my mind.
  • haffajappa
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    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    I jumped the gun with that comment. I apologize for saying it and I went ahead and took it out. Once again, sorry guys.

    And you're right about trying to discuss a certain aspect of life with various cultures when 1) It varies dramatically from culture to culture to such a point that it's even taken into consideration by the government when coming up with min. wage laws and 2) Sometimes it's unknown where some posters reside.

    There's been a couple of posters in here that have said "Why should I? There doing their job" or have known people to say that that are from the states, which blows my mind.
    Haha, no worries... "unsure... likely waiting for the wrong bus." isn't exactly an easy indication of what country I am from. And besides, you could always keep arguing to a point where you say, "oh... i was just joking guys, really" ;) which some people do on here! LOL!

    As for me, I had no idea that the min. wage in the US has different standards depending on what job you have. So I totally understand at this point the argument for 'mandatory' tipping.
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  • EquallyWorthless
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    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    I realize that. I stated in an earlier post that I never thought that any foreigners who stiffed me did so on purpose, but simply because they didn't know about the customs and the wages that servers have. I knew that Canadians make the actual minimum wage and that if they came to the states, then they probably wouldn't tip. Some of the shit that I was replying to irritated me and I mouthed off a bit, although I should be saying that to the poster I was responding to and not you. That and I didn't see what it had to do with anything that I said that the poster quoted.


    I didnt mean to single you out, sorry if it came across that way. It was not my intention. Seriously though tipping is a north american thing, i will usually tip MORE in the USA because I know that in most places min wage is lower.
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  • vedder_soup
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    catefrances wrote:
    and that reminds me... you still owe me a drink. :p:D

    i offered, you declined ;)

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  • catefrances
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    vedder_soup wrote:
    i offered, you declined ;)

    next time...

    yeah i know, hence me saying you still owe me a drink. :p:)

    i was being a responsible driver by limiting my alcohol intake. certainly wouldnt want to have been busted by a mobile RBT cruising along taren point road now would i?
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  • Hinny
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    Why isn't there the political will to set up a decent minimum wage arrangement?
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  • PJaddicted
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    I was out to dinner with 12 other women on Saturday night....some of the morons thought the waiter should get no more then $60???!!! The women who figured out the check made sure he was getting $100, and then she had to leave, and someone else looked at the check, she wanted to give him something like 10%! And he deserved minimum 20% his service was EXCELLENT. We were there for 3 hours and this was a high end restaurant...I threw the guy another $20 out of my own pocket. I HATE EATING OUT WITH CHEAP PEOPLE! My hubby went out with the hubbies of some of the women at the same time...and he ended up throwing his waiter another $10 out of his pocket....because the men were cheap too! We are leaving Saturday on a cruise with this group......thankfully we will be tipping on our own.

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  • South of Seattle
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    PJaddicted wrote:
    I was out to dinner with 12 other women on Saturday night....some of the morons thought the waiter should get no more then $60???!!! The women who figured out the check made sure he was getting $100, and then she had to leave, and someone else looked at the check, she wanted to give him something like 10%! And he deserved minimum 20% his service was EXCELLENT. We were there for 3 hours and this was a high end restaurant...I threw the guy another $20 out of my own pocket. I HATE EATING OUT WITH CHEAP PEOPLE! My hubby went out with the hubbies of some of the women at the same time...and he ended up throwing his waiter another $10 out of his pocket....because the men were cheap too! We are leaving Saturday on a cruise with this group......thankfully we will be tipping on our own.

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    I hate that, my dad always does 15% exactly no matter what, he's a frickin calculator. Plus him and my mom always split meals, so when you're not paying much 15% is pretty weak IMO.
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  • dunkman
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    i'm glad i'm not a waiter in America... lots of rich people trying to get a better service out of me just by flashing $10 bills in my face... it'd make me feel like a prostitute that... and if i just walked into a bar and i had to wait for a drink just because some guy earlier had tipped the barman, i'd just turn around and walk out.

    just because its a cultural thing doesnt make it right... the system is utterly flawed and totally fucking deranged... yet some americans defend it like its the holy grail in customer service... :confused: ... which its definitely not.
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  • catefrances
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    i remember having a waitress in a bar bring the bill back to us after a meal cause in her words, youve forgotten the tip. i was with 2 americans(this being in NY), so i left it to them to sort out.
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  • haffajappa
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    Hinny wrote:
    Why isn't there the political will to set up a decent minimum wage arrangement?
    it's a radical movement... like public healthcare and sex-education in schools and such...
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  • haffajappa
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    dunkman wrote:
    i'm glad i'm not a waiter in America... lots of rich people trying to get a better service out of me just by flashing $10 bills in my face... it'd make me feel like a prostitute that... and if i just walked into a bar and i had to wait for a drink just because some guy earlier had tipped the barman, i'd just turn around and walk out.

    just because its a cultural thing doesnt make it right... the system is utterly flawed and totally fucking deranged... yet some americans defend it like its the holy grail in customer service... :confused: ... which its definitely not.
    yah, and its getting to be like this in Canada too...
    which is annoyiing in a way cos like i said, our min. wage is the same across the board.

    think about it.... say you serve 4 tables an hour... and each one leaves a 3 dollar tip... you're getting your wage plus 12 dollars an hour... you're making 20 bucks an hour (in canada anyways).... of course you have to factor in giving the kitchen some of your tip... but still!

    so no, i'm selective about my tipping, thanks.
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  • jasonw
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    doin'the-evolution wrote:
    Oh is it that simple? I had no idea. :rolleyes:


    and by the way, this guy:


    is married to someone who works in the industry, and she does, literally, have to live off her tips.
    Yet he kind of get's where I'm coming from.

    I'm not cheap, thanks. I work for minimum wage and go to University. I am broke. At least now I can save some money on Friday nights, because I had no idea that being poor deprives you the right of eating out if you decide to.


    Being poor deprives you of doing a lot of things, i'm not saying poor people SHOULDN'T get to do stuff, but I understand why they can't. If being poor didn't deprive you of certain options what would be the point of trying to make money?
  • jasonw
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    EquallyWorthless wrote:
    Well you were bang on until this ignorant statement.


    I'm sure he could have toned down the swearing, but I don't think his point was ignorant. It kinda annoys me when people try to use arguments about how things are done in others countries. For example "well they don't even tip in Japan!" That's great and I respect their culture and would always like to know more about other cultures, but it doesn't apply to this discussion. We aren't in Japan, we are in the USA (i am, i know you some people in this thread aren't) It's a different culture and has absolutely no relevance to whether or not i should tip at my local bar.

    And I know some people were pointing out how their culture is different, but im pretty sure there is no one from Japan in this thread
  • haffajappa
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    jasonw wrote:
    I'm sure he could have toned down the swearing, but I don't think his point was ignorant. It kinda annoys me when people try to use arguments about how things are done in others countries. For example "well they don't even tip in Japan!" That's great and I respect their culture and would always like to know more about other cultures, but it doesn't apply to this discussion. We aren't in Japan, we are in the USA (i am, i know you some people in this thread aren't) It's a different culture and has absolutely no relevance to whether or not i should tip at my local bar.

    And I know some people were pointing out how their culture is different, but im pretty sure there is no one from Japan in this thread
    for one, the three of us have pretty much sorted things out.
    for two, it does, because like i said, people in here were addressing everyone saying everyone who doesn't tip is cheap - but they havne't taken into account that everyone here is NOT american, and therefore NOT part of that culture.

    japan, once again. was an example... of different cultures.... plain and simple, thats all that was. (do we really need to explain this again?) we're not saying you should have to learn the tipping customs in japan.... :confused:
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  • jasonw
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    doin'the-evolution wrote:
    for one, the three of us have pretty much sorted things out.
    for two, it does, because like i said, people in here were addressing everyone saying everyone who doesn't tip is cheap - but they havne't taken into account that everyone here is NOT american, and therefore NOT part of that culture.

    japan, once again. was an example... of different cultures.... plain and simple, thats all that was. (do we really need to explain this again?) we're not saying you should have to learn the tipping customs in japan.... :confused:


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