Tipping in the service industry

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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    well you'll know what to do next time :p

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    ah damn.
    haha...
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    I hope dunkman goes to a place that has automatic gratuity. Many places in Manhattan do, because there are so many tourists who are either cheap or "don't know to tip".


    i'll just remove the automatic gratuity off the bill.. its not legal. :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    if the employers paid their workers a decent wage in the first place we wouldnt have to tip.
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  • HinnyHinny Posts: 1,610
    I've got another term for automatic gratuity. It's called the sales price.
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  • _Crazy_Mary__Crazy_Mary_ Posts: 1,299
    God, I love harvest season! Last night, three rastafarians came in and tipped me $130 on $389! :eek:
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  • jasonwjasonw Posts: 424
    If you live in the USA and you get good service at a bar or restaurant just tip and stop whining. this thread is insanely long and needs to end.
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    if the employers paid their workers a decent wage in the first place we wouldnt have to tip.




    absolutely!


    quite honestly though, i think there may be a good # of waitstaff in the US who actually would prefer the status quo. why? b/c a 'decent' wage probably would not equate what they presently make in tips. however, you bet, i agree....they should get better pay, imo in line with retail staff as they are similar in being service industries and skills, no special training, no education requirements, etc. the abolition of tipping would be a great thing, no issues, no wondering, all built into the price of goods and services and a decent, set wage.
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    the abolition of tipping would be a great thing, no issues, no wondering, all built into the price of goods and services and a decent, set wage.

    you just described the whole of Europe... we are such a civilised society are we not? here in the UK we even have our sales tax added into the price at all times... now you Americans might lead the way in things like gun deaths and eating, but us Euros lead the modern world when it comes to our pricing structures ;)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,460
    absolutely!


    quite honestly though, i think there may be a good # of waitstaff in the US who actually would prefer the status quo. why? b/c a 'decent' wage probably would not equate what they presently make in tips. however, you bet, i agree....they should get better pay, imo in line with retail staff as they are similar in being service industries and skills, no special training, no education requirements, etc. the abolition of tipping would be a great thing, no issues, no wondering, all built into the price of goods and services and a decent, set wage.
    and don't forget taxes. How many servers do you think underreport their tips
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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    dunkman wrote:
    you just described the whole of Europe... we are such a civilised society are we not? here in the UK we even have our sales tax added into the price at all times... now you Americans might lead the way in things like gun deaths and eating, but us Euros lead the modern world when it comes to our pricing structures ;)



    do you have differing taxing levels on goods and services in different parts of the country? here in the US, taxes on good and services are determined at the county and state level. hell, i live in nassau, work in manhattan, and both have different tax levels. so while it may seem 'easier' to have taxes built into the prices, i DO understand why they are not....so that the TRUE cost of the goods/services are represented, and a customer can see what the tax level is, if any. some states don't have sales tax at all, many vary exactly what they do/don't tax, etc. so a national company wants to represent their prices across the board, and let the tax levels be completely transparent. i have ZERO issue with that.


    in regards to tipping, whole other arguement. i have always agreed it is ridiculous, no idea how or why it truly came about into it's current form and you bet...would love to see it change. however, it is what it is right now...so i follow custom and sure, reward truly excellent, above par service. i would truly love to see change, but again in the scheme of things not really that an *important* an issue.


    as to your comparisons, i couldn't care less. i feel no need to say what is better/worse, it doesn't even matter to me. i love where i live, warts and all. however, at least i have actually visited numerous countries in europe whereas you've never even stepped foot on american soil. how great it is to judge from afar. ;)



    btw - as far as i recall, tipping DOES exist in many european countries. it may not be as prevalent or 'expected' but it does still exist.
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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    mickeyrat wrote:
    and don't forget taxes. How many servers do you think underreport their tips


    of course!


    and beyond that, it's simply not waitstaff, it's the whole tipping culture is out of hand imo. tip the girl who washes my hair in the salon, then tip the hairdresser, tip your manicurist, masseuse, doorman, valet, etc, etc....wherre does it end? who and when and where and how much do you tip? it gets ridiculous after awhile. tipping really SHOULD be for extra special, exemplary service, not an everyday, expected thing. people should all get a decent wage and it should be enough.

    hey, i LOVEd working retail sales. it was work, but i so enjoyed it, the interactions, the various stores i worked for, etc. i was an excellent salesperson, visual designer, etc. however, unless you moved up into management or a full-time position (which are rare!)...no paid vacations, no health benefits, no 401Ks, etc.....and yea not great $$$. so although i so enjoyed the work...i moved on b/c i wanted/needed to make more $$$. and so it goes. obviously, the more education, skills, what have you...the more you make. beyond that, sure, some fields even with that will pay less or more depending on if you are in public service - such as education - or in private sector $$$making. low-skilled work only pays big $$$ if it is dangerous or considered rather undesirable. we all have to make choices. personally, i think waitstaff have it *made* in that they are one of the few jobs that DO get great tips, even though otherwise fit right in line with retail work and all. thus why i don't think waitstaff would ever fight for decent wages, they like the status quo.
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    do you have differing taxing levels on goods and services in different parts of the country? here in the US, taxes on good and services are determined at the county and state level. hell, i live in nassau, work in manhattan, and both have different tax levels. so while it may seem 'easier' to have taxes built into the prices, i DO understand why they are not....so that the TRUE cost of the goods/services are represented, and a customer can see what the tax level is, if any. some states don't have sales tax at all, many vary exactly what they do/don't tax, etc. so a national company wants to represent their prices across the board, and let the tax levels be completely transparent. i have ZERO issue with that.

    17.5% straight across the board... VAT its called.

    some stuff isnt vatable, and companies can claim VAT back on purchases... but for customers on the street VAT is already added and its a standard 17.5% :)

    as to your comparisons, i couldn't care less. i feel no need to say what is better/worse, it doesn't even matter to me. i love where i live, warts and all. however, at least i have actually visited numerous countries in europe whereas you've never even stepped foot on american soil. how great it is to judge from afar.

    i'm fond of these things i call 'jokes'.. you should try them sometime. ;):p
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    dunkman wrote:
    17.5% straight across the board... VAT its called.

    some stuff isnt vatable, and companies can claim VAT back on purchases... but for customers on the street VAT is already added and its a standard 17.5%




    i'm fond of these things i call 'jokes'.. you should try them sometime. ;)


    yes, see....to me that makes a big difference. and as i said, due to how it can vary so greatly state to state, why i believe our taxes are not added in the purchase price. i think americans like to truly see the prices and taxes, seperately.



    i'm fond of jokes too. when they are funny, i laugh. :D

    btw - i guess you missed my ';)' at the end of that earlier statement, thus signifying a tongue-in-cheek comment. :)




    second btw - 17.5% ?!
    no wonder it's in the prices, who wants to see THAT! :p
    nassau's sales tax is considered one of the highest in the nation, and we're at 8.65%.
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    yes, see....to me that makes a big difference. and as i said, due to how it can vary so greatly state to state, why i believe our taxes are not added in the purchase price. i think americans like to truly see the prices and taxes, seperately.

    second btw - 17.5% ?!
    no wonder it's in the prices, who wants to see THAT! :p
    nassau's sales tax is considered one of the highest in the nation, and we're at 8.65%.

    17.5 is nothing ... our gas/petrol prices are about 4 times your price or something ridiculous.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,460
    dunkman wrote:
    17.5 is nothing ... our gas/petrol prices are about 4 times your price or something ridiculous.
    yes ridiculous. 2.11 AMERICAN for a gallon. Yours would be .........



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  • pearljamjenpearljamjen Posts: 13,578
    mickeyrat wrote:
    yes ridiculous. 2.11 AMERICAN for a gallon. Yours would be .........



    DAMN metric system conversions

    you only pay 2.11 a gallon? :eek:
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,460
    you only pay 2.11 a gallon? :eek:
    yes'm Dropped down to that most everywhere in good ole COWTOWN(columbus), AHIA(Ohio)
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  • pearljamjenpearljamjen Posts: 13,578
    mickeyrat wrote:
    yes'm Dropped down to that most everywhere in good ole COWTOWN(columbus), AHIA(Ohio)

    oh
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    dunkman wrote:
    17.5 is nothing ... our gas/petrol prices are about 4 times your price or something ridiculous.


    THAT i knew, and it is ridiculous.....and sure, another topic. ;)
    thinking back, i do remember your sales tax was a lot higher as well but i am thinking back 20 years when i lived over there...so not too fresh in the memory. and last year for wembley, wasn't paying attnetion to ANYthing so mundane. :p


    anyhoo....grasping at the topic here :D.......i DID tip in the UK, just not nearly as much nor as often as in the US, just following the custom. honestly, i cannot think of a country i've visited that i haven't tipped at all, just differently.
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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    do you have differing taxing levels on goods and services in different parts of the country?.
    Its like that here too... always get the albertans bitching about paying BC sales tax.
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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,619
    THAT i knew, and it is ridiculous.....and sure, another topic. ;)
    thinking back, i do remember your sales tax was a lot higher as well but i am thinking back 20 years when i lived over there...so not too fresh in the memory. and last year for wembley, wasn't paying attnetion to ANYthing so mundane. :p


    anyhoo....grasping at the topic here :D.......i DID tip in the UK, just not nearly as much nor as often as in the US, just following the custom. honestly, i cannot think of a country i've visited that i haven't tipped at all, just differently.

    I tipped a taxi driver in Cardiff last year...he was well chuffed and surprised!
  • jamie ukjamie uk Posts: 3,812
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    I tipped a taxi driver in Cardiff last year...he was well chuffed and surprised!


    I don't imagine he was really suprised JJJ, that's just how our gracious nature shows itself. Nothing is expected, yet most often he would be tipped, or at least told to 'keep the change'.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    absolutely!


    quite honestly though, i think there may be a good # of waitstaff in the US who actually would prefer the status quo. why? b/c a 'decent' wage probably would not equate what they presently make in tips. however, you bet, i agree....they should get better pay, imo in line with retail staff as they are similar in being service industries and skills, no special training, no education requirements, etc. the abolition of tipping would be a great thing, no issues, no wondering, all built into the price of goods and services and a decent, set wage.

    and tis not as if i dont tip. i prefer to do so when it is warranted and not just out of duty.


    a sure fire way to get a tip from me is to serve me a double when i didnt order one. ;):D
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,267
    i tip who ever serves/goodservice to me ...

    bartenders
    mailman at xmas
    sanitation men at xmas ....
    even the guy who shows me to my seat at the ballgame gets a buck or two ...just being considerate ...
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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,619
    So, to sum up this long thread:

    Some of us tip, and some don't
    &
    It is customary to tip in some countries, but not in others

    :)
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,267
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    So, to sum up this long thread:

    Some of us tip, and some don't
    &
    It is customary to tip in some countries, but not in others

    :)


    agreed but even when i'm abroad i tip i'm so used to it that it comes naturally ..:eek:
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    i look as tipping as a necessary evil.
    you know the scene at the beginning of the flick reservoir dogs? that is exactly my sentiment on tipping as well....

    you mean this scene D2D:
    The table laughs. The WAITRESS comes over to the table.
    She has the check, and a pot of coffee.

    WAITRESS
    Can I get anybody more
    coffee.

    JOE
    No, we're gonna be hittin it.
    I'll take care of the check.

    She hands the bill to him.

    WAITRESS
    Here ya go. Please pay at the
    register, if you wouldn't mind.

    JOE
    Sure thing.

    WAITRESS
    You guys have a wonderful day.

    They all mutter equivalents. She exits and Joe stands up.

    JOE
    I'll take care of this, you guys
    leave the tip.
    (to Mr. White)
    And when I come back, I want my
    book back.

    MR. WHITE
    Sorry, it's my book now.

    JOE
    Blonde, shoot this piece of shit,
    will ya?

    Mr. Blonde shoots Mr. White with his finger. Mr White
    acts shot. Joe exits.

    NICE GUY EDDIE
    Okay, everybody cough up green for
    the little lady.

    Everybody whips out a buck, and throws it on the table.
    Everybody, that is, except Mr. White.

    NICE GUY EDDIE
    C'mon, throw in a buck.

    MR. WHITE
    Uh-uh. I don't tip.

    NICE GUY EDDIE
    Whaddaya mean you don't tip?

    MR. WHITE
    I don't believe in it.

    NICE GUY EDDIE
    You don't believe in tipping?

    MR. PINK
    (laughing)
    I love this kid, he's a madman,
    this guy.

    MR. BLONDE
    Do you have any idea what these
    ladies make? They make shit.

    MR. WHITE
    Don't give me that. She don't
    make enough money, she can quit.

    Everybody laughs.

    NICE GUY EDDIE
    I don't even know a Jew who'd have
    the balls to say that. So let's
    get this straight. You never ever
    tip?

    MR. WHITE
    I don't tip because society says I
    gotta. I tip when somebody
    deserves a tip. When somebody
    really puts forth an effort, they
    deserve a little something extra.
    But this tipping automatically,
    that shit's for the birds. As far
    as I'm concerned, they're just
    doin their job.

    MR. BLUE
    Our girl was nice.

    MR. WHITE
    Our girl was okay. She didn't do
    anything special.

    MR. BLONDE
    What's something special, take ya
    in the kitchen and suck your dick?

    They all laugh.

    NICE GUY EDDIE
    I'd go over twelve percent for
    that.

    MR. WRITE
    Look, I ordered coffee. Now we've
    been here a long fuckin time, and
    she's only filled my cup three
    times. When I order coffee, I
    want it filled six times.

    MR. BLONDE
    What if she's too busy?

    MR. WHITE
    The words "too busy" shouldn't be
    in a waitress's vocabulary.

    NICE GUY EDDIE
    Excuse me, Mr. White, but the last
    thing you need is another cup of
    coffee.

    They all laugh.

    MR. WHITE
    These ladies aren't starvin to
    death. They make minimum wage.
    When I worked for minimum wage, I
    wasn't lucky enough to have a job
    that society deemed tipworthy.

    NICE GUY EDDIE
    Ahh, now we're getting down to it.
    It's not just that he's a cheap
    bastard--

    MR. ORANGE
    --It is that too--

    NICE GUY EDDIE
    --It is that too. But it's also
    he couldn't get a waiter job. You
    talk like a pissed off dishwasher:
    "Fuck those cunts and their
    fucking tips."

    MR. BLONDE
    So you don't care that they're
    counting on your tip to live?

    Mr. White rubs two of his fingers together.

    MR. WHITE
    Do you know what this is? It's
    the world's smallest violin,
    playing just for the waitresses.

    MR. BLONDE
    You don't have any idea what
    you're talking about. These
    people bust their ass. This
    is a hard job.

    MR. WHITE
    So's working at McDonald's, but
    you don't feel the need to tip
    them. They're servin ya food, you
    should tip em. But no, society
    says tip these guys over here, but
    not those guys over there. That's
    bullshit.

    MR. ORANGE
    They work harder than the kids at
    McDonald's.

    MR. WHITE
    Oh yeah, I don't see them cleaning
    fryers.

    MR. BROWN
    These people are taxed on the tips
    they make. When you stiff 'em,
    you cost them money.

    MR. BLONDE
    Waitressing is the number one
    occupation for female non-college
    graduates in this country. It's
    the one jab basically any woman
    can get, and make a living on.
    The reason is because of tips.

    MR. WHITE
    Fuck all that.

    They all laugh.

    MR. WHITE
    Hey, I'm very sorry that the
    government taxes their tips.
    That's fucked up. But that ain't
    my fault. it would appear that
    waitresses are just one of the
    many groups the government fucks
    in the ass on a regular basis.
    You show me a paper says the
    government shouldn't do that, I'll
    sign it. Put it to a vote, I'll
    vote for it. But what I won't do
    is play ball. And this non-
    college bullshit you're telling
    me, I got two words for that:
    "Learn to fuckin type." Cause if
    you're expecting me to help out
    with the rent, you're in for a big
    fuckin surprise.

    MR. ORANGE
    He's convinced me. Give me my
    dollar back.

    Everybody laughs. Joe's comes back to the table.

    JOE
    Okay ramblers, let's get to
    rambling. Wait a minute, who
    didn't throw in?

    MR. ORANGE
    Mr. White.

    JOE
    (to Mr. Orange)
    Mr. White?
    (to Mr. White)
    Why?

    MR. ORANGE
    He don't tip.

    JOE
    (to Mr. Orange)
    He don't tip?
    (to Mr. White)
    You don't tip? Why?

    MR. ORANGE
    He don't believe in it.

    JOE
    (to Mr. Orange)
    He don't believe in it?
    (to Mr. White)
    You don't believe in it?

    MR. ORANGE
    Nope.

    JOE
    (to Mr. Orange)
    Shut up!
    (to Mr. White)
    Cough up the buck, ya cheap
    bastard, I paid for your goddamn
    breakfast.

    MR. WHITE
    Because you paid for the
    breakfast, I'm gonna tip.
    Normally I wouldn't.

    JOE
    Whatever. Just throw in your
    dollar, and let's move.
    (to Mr. Blonde)
    See what I'm dealing with here.
    Infants. I'm fuckin dealin with
    infants.
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    it really is genius that scene... makes me want to watch the movie again... although i find Tim Roth's hamming to be difficult to watch!
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    dunkman wrote:
    it really is genius that scene... makes me want to watch the movie again... although i find Tim Roth's hamming to be difficult to watch!

    yep indeed... tis tarantino at his best. before he started believing the hype. :D


    ooh ooh im gonna listen to the soundtrack now. :D
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  • JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    So, to sum up this long thread:

    Some of us tip, and some don't
    &
    It is customary to tip in some countries, but not in others

    :)


    Finally...someone w/ some sense. Now let this thread die cause alot of it totally pisses me off. :mad:
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